posted May 13, 2004 05:20 PM              

(keep in mind, I haven't read the pages leading up to these comments, so as to
what exactly or whom it is referring to, I am not sure, however, for what its worth,
here it is...)

another starry phase vibrating its promise
that made me imagine I heard a Serpent hiSS
was your Venus conjoined my Pluto
an exact conjunction

this was a mutual aspect between two horoscopes
which had fascinated me for years
and though I'd looked for it in the charts of many couples
I had never come across it-until now

there it was..

my Pluto----by hour, minute and second
tightly conjoined with your Venus

Venus.....the planet of Peace and Love
Pluto....the planet of Death
of Mystery and Reincarnation

the implication alarmed me, because I knew its meaning by heart

when these two planets are so situated together
in the nativities ---not of relative or good friends----but of lovers
providing certain other mutual aspects are also found....
there is astrologically no doubt what the relationship it all about

according to the Chaldean texts

"these are two, who have lived many incarnations together
so powerfully linked and synchronized
that, when not in one another's physical presence
they feel a nearly unbearable longing

and the two, once joined

except for occasional, temporary intervals
associated with karmic learning
may never be Earth-separated---except through
the force of
death

and even then...
inseparable in Heaven

what God hath joined together, let no man put asunder
applies to such as these, not to every bride and groom"

I grasped at a straw of comfort...

but we were not lovers, nor would we ever be
surely not you and me
besides, the writing state
that the two may not be separated, once joined
and we were not joined
except, perhaps, with our eyes

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What happened to this person whom she is talking about?.....I know, I know....I must read...well, now I HAVE to read.

*Venus conjoined by Pluto-an exact conjunction...(exact??? swoosh-over my head)
*providing other certain aspects are also found- such as???

posted May 13, 2004 07:42 PM            

Yeah astro, that would be EXACT... but I think within 2 - 3 degrees on either side would be "close enuff for jazz".

But I knew Linda, and she would add a few degrees if the other indicators were also in place. One needn't bee too picky! (says the man with 4 planets in Virgo)

In the Light...
A

posted May 13, 2004 08:34 PM              

ln my case, a person with such a Venus would be making squares, oppostions and inconjuncts to practically all my planets!!! This is cook book astro

posted May 13, 2004 08:47 PM              

Our Saturns conflicted, too, too much.
So I am inclined to look at Saturn first.

I have been very close to those who have their Venus in the 4th or 5th house, and my Saturn is in the 5th. With Pluto in the 10th I am attracted to Plutonian types regardless of Venus, those with a Scorpio feel.

I am curious about Pluto in the 7th,

posted May 13, 2004 09:00 PM              

Example:

posted May 13, 2004 10:14 PM              

anyways, here is the synastry chart:

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Composite Horoscope midpoint method
PLANETARY POSITIONS
planet sign degree house
Sun Virgo 07°28'10 05
Moon Aquarius 05°16'27 10
Mercury Virgo 02°37'42 05
Venus Virgo 07°52'04 05
Mars Cancer 10°48'04 03
Jupiter Libra 09°22'04 06
Saturn Aquarius 19°56'31 10/11
Saturn is technically near the end of house 10 and is interpreted in house 11.
Uranus Virgo 05°49'27 05
Neptune Scorpio 13°16'07 07
Pluto Virgo 11°53'40 05
True Node Cancer 17°31'24 03

HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)
Ascendant Aries 22°12'16
2nd House Taurus 29°03'45
3rd House Gemini 28°18'55
Imum Coeli Cancer 23°38'45
5th House Leo 20°50'09
6th House Virgo 21°07'55
Descendant Libra 22°12'16
8th House Scorpio 29°03'45
9th House Sagittarius 28°18'55
Medium Coeli Capricorn 23°38'45
11th House Aquarius 20°50'09
12th House Pisces 21°07'55

Introduction
Sun in the Fifth House * Sun Conjunct Mercury * Sun Conjunct Venus * Sun Conjunct Uranus * Sun Conjunct Pluto * Moon in the Tenth House * Mercury Conjunct Venus * Venus in the Fifth House * Venus Conjunct Uranus * Venus Conjunct Pluto

5 planets in Virgo in the 5th house?????

So...his Pluto is @17.44, her Venus is @12.51.......feel'in rather STUPID here peeps~ totally out of my league...LOL, gawd!
I really hate to ask this...(and after all this, I'm changing my name, hahaha) but I assume this is how you would figure the degree difference? from one chart to the other???

So Aselzion, et al......in your opinion, do you think these two could be soul mates?

Noreen

posted May 14, 2004 12:14 AM            

Sorry, not looking.. I don't believe in Soul Mates, at least not the way that most of you mean it.

There are MANY aspects that can indicate shared karma, and they are not limited to Pluto contacts.

I think the whole Soul Mate/Twin Self idea has been carried to an absurd extreme, and I also believe that any couple that wants to WORK at creating a relationship can do so successfully.

Remember, the stars INCLINE, they do not COMPEL. Nor do they bestow ONE blessed relationship for each person...

Why does everybody seem to think it would be IDEAL to be with the Soul Mate? If you really understood what that term means, you would realize that there are many mates, or friends in the Soul... but friends do not always make great bed fellows.

Suppose that you had a wonderful relationship with a special person... then had your charts read and the astrologer told you that this person was NOT your soul mate, because the "soul mate" aspects were missing? Suppose also that the same astrologer told you that your best friend had all the right aspects? Would you leave the current love for a mythical "Soul Mate"?

I think we should be less concerned with finding out who our "other half" is and more concerned with figuring out Who We Really Are. Are we someone that another would want to be in a relationship with? Can we stand to be alone with ourselves for great lengths of time? If we can't stand to be alone with ourselves, who else would want to be confined with us?

Am I making any sense here?

I wish you all Love, in whatever form you want it...

Blessings...
A

a.k.a. The Opinionated Astrologer

posted May 14, 2004 12:46 AM              

Perfect! Thank you so much.

(I don't believe in Soul Mates, at least not the way that most of you mean it.) I think I know what you are referring to and agree 100%.

I apologize for using the term "soul mates" so loosly. I quess I was just curious as to whether this combo had some "Extra Special" meaning. Perhaps seldom seen?? Again, I know very little about astrology.
(I know, hard to believe, hahaha) feel'in a little like William Hung, when he said "I've had no professional training" LOL

Again, thank you for your responses.

posted May 14, 2004 11:04 AM            

Crystal...

No, I do not believe in any way, shape or form that I am betraying Linda. She always reminded her readers that they should look into matters for themselves, and then make their own decisions and opinions based on their study and/or experience.

When I speak my opinion, it is just that, and people are entitled to accept or reject it, as with any of Linda's writings. Yes I did know her personally, and yes, she did write about her beliefs and understandings, in the hopes that we would investigate these things for ourselves, and hopefully benefit by them.

I do not believe that anyone benefits from making a Life's Work out of seeking a Soul Mate... what I do believe is that through work and dedication, any relationship can be elevated beyond the mere physical level... if BOTH involved parties are willing to do the work.

If I am wrong about the subject of Soul Mates, my opinions will harm none, because all I am doing is advocating WORKING to create balanced and harmonious relationships.

What I see and hear often about this subject frankly makes my skin crawl... the idea that the only relationship worth having is the one with your Soul Mate or Twin Soul.. this can be a harmful belief! Look and listen to the postings.. "I met my Soul Mate, but he loves someone else... what can I do to make him love me?" or "I met my Soul mate, but we separated, and now I know that no other relationship will be as gratifying".

You tell me Crystal, which belief is more devastating to the Soul? That any relationship can WORK if both parties are willing to MAKE it, or that there is only One Perfect Other, and that if you do not find him or her you are doomed to something that is obviously inferior and you are settling?

Note that I never said that I do not believe in Love, nor did I say that I entirely reject the idea of Soul Mates, but what I do entirely reject is the popular opinion of what "Soul Mate/Twin Soul" seems to mean to the masses.

What if we are all aspects of God? What if our little Soul is only a piece of that much larger thing that we call Goddess. Are we then not all soul mates? Are we not all united by a common Greater or Over Soul?

I have more questions than I do answers!

As to setting myself up as an authority... well I do have more than 20 years in the field of metaphysics, above and beyond Astrology. And I am a human being, with some number of years of Life experience. I certainly think that qualifies me to have my own opinion. Just as I believe that you are qualified to state your own opinions.

I do apologize if I have disturbed you, that was not my intent. But It appears that I made you think about the subject, at least enough to respond.

Is that not what we are here for?

Bright Blessings...
A

posted May 15, 2004 06:52 AM              

Society is a sham of people smiling at each other,pretending to be nice,and yet lazily helping themselves to what they want,making no effort to look at their lives and how they could live them for the benifit of the whole.

The hospitals are full of people who do not need to be there,people looking up doe eyed with their injuries and cuts at nurses,holding out their limbs and ailments and the nurses smiling with a twinkle in their eye,patting them on the head and indulging them in their weakness because they want to feel that they are 'good',both parties go away happy,the patient having been given an elastoplast or a pill which is a replacement for actually having love in their life,and the nurse being able to pull off their uniform and shoes and feel like they have done something which is good,and I'm not bringing this up just to get a shot at you Aselzion as I know you are a nurse,you may not be a nurse like that,I dont even know what kind of nurse you are there are many different types,I'm bringing it up because it is fundamental to my way of thinking,my mum and my grandmother are and were both nurses and I have worked in hospitals and as a care assistant.

The churches are a charade of people ruffling and preening and plumping their feathers in front of each other,passing collection baskets,nodding and smiling,bowing and assuming poses,kneeling and clasping hands,pretending to be holy for an hour or so and then going back to their lives of distractions.

posted May 15, 2004 08:35 AM            

Aselzion, you had made sense to me and I can't help but to agree with your points.. tho I do believe soulmates exist.

Crystal, I wouldn't worry about what Aselzion believes n has to say, or worry for impressional people. People will come to their own beliefs/opinions and experience what they will. If one doesn't believe their mate is their soulmate, that is OK... it isn't going to take anything away from either of them or their relationship.

I did come across someone where in that situation I felt a deep connection with this person.. which I wasn't prepared for. Figured God got bored with me/my life and decided to throw that boomerang my way to make things more interesting.. which it did.. turned my world upside down, inside out. Tempting to consider this person as my soulmate.. tho he was kept in the dark. It was a one-sided experience.. he experienced my flipped out reaction.
Didn't know about the Pluto conjucts Venus aspect.. or I didn't know the significance of it. His Venus is there with my Pluto and his Saturn is opposite of this aspect (his Saturn was busy doing its thing all over the place).. but degrees aren't exact.

Now after that experience which didn't turn into a love/intimate relationship.. it served its purpose.. it's difficult to move on from there because I can't help but to want that kind of a connection again, only better, workable. I haven't come across anything close to it. Seems that accepting less than that is settling.. or kinda boring, not so interesting to my Aquarian mind.

posted May 15, 2004 09:06 AM            

Crystal... I will stand by everything I have said.

I'm sorry I seem to have touched a nerve or hit a sore spot for you, but to be perfectly frank... that would be your issue not mine. Perhaps we have some unresolved karma? I can't imagine why else my thoughts would impact you in such a negative way. Or for that matter, impact you at all. If you don't agree with me, you are certainly free to overlook anything I write, as is anyone else.

I am no Svengali, and I am sure that my thoughts or questions on the subjects of Twin Souls or Physical Immortality will not compel anyone to change their views. Like Linda, I merely express my thoughts because that is what I am moved to do at a particular moment in time. And I reserve the right to change my mind at any time as well... it's not just a woman's prerogative anymore!

Anything that we write in these forums is bound to be our own opinions and based on our own experiences. People can and do think what they will of them, my only goal is to provide a dfferent frame of reference, or a bit of food for thought. Those with ears will hear and those with eyes will see.

In terms of nursing. For me it is a job... my Labor of Love is really another matter entirely. But one has to pay the bills.

As always, I remain the opinionated Astrologer...
A

P.S. I think you need to re-read my previous posts... you have quoted me out of context in at least 2 cases, so perhaps you need to put your feelings to one side for a moment, and try to look at them with fresh eyes. Just a thought.

posted May 15, 2004 12:20 PM              

One of my issues is feeling alone in my beliefs,and I cling to this site like some kind of lifeline and gain some comfort from it.

It's just breaking my heart everytime you're saying it,the way you lead into a conversation making points about Linda's astrology and then turn round and say to that person that believing in a twin soul is possibly foolish.I realise that the subject of you knowing Linda comes up naturally in the conversation and that is the truth and the truth will out

posted May 15, 2004 09:01 PM              

So allow me to add my two cents -- impartially as you might expect, one penny for each side.

I am going to save my typing fingers a bit of wear by leaving out the "I think" and "I believe" disclaimers. Please know that they are implied throughout.

...

There most certainly are Twin Selves, in a very real and very literal sense, but the extent to which this should weigh on one's conscious mind is a balancing act. To disbelieve in the existence of the Twin Self is to ignore wisdom; to actively search for that entity is to unnaturally channel one's energy into chasing a ghost.

Aselzion is to be thanked for pointing out the harm that comes of obsession with the soulmate. All relationships should be valued according to their own merits, and not compared to, or cast aside for, a fixed, idealistic standard.

I would like to re-mind us all that Linda did say finding one's Twin Self is a very rare occurrence. And she gave us all the reasons that this is so. Such an event represents the harmonic synchronization of many aspects of both Spirits: to both be here on Earth within the same "time" frame, at the proper stage of spiritual advancement, in possession of enough original Soul pieces, in bodies of opposite gender, etc, etc.. This is somewhat of the idea I am trying to express, but the words dissatisfy me. They sound like "cook book astrology". (Thank you for the phrase, Duality, I will remember and use it! And please try not to swear; it doesn't become you. )

....

posted May 16, 2004 08:28 AM              

pixelpixie I've read through what you've said just there and I am understanding you,I'm feeling like you're coming from a different place,you've maybe had to look at situations where you've had to come up against compromise and felt peoples problems more than I,you've got children for example havent you?I am single with no children.'Who am I to judge strength over weakness'yes I can understand that,maybe to try to do what you can on a practical level it means altering your mind set,I'm not sure about that one yet and I'm giving it some thought.I realised I've been wildly kind of putting peoples ideas out of context when I've been answering,for example you used the cookie cutter idea just to get your answer across and I latched on to that idea to say what I wanted to say,to be honest here I'm just using the internet in a shop,I'm finding it hard to focus and come up with balanced replies.
'Perhaps I was looking down my nose at people who I felt were not as spiritually evolved',yes I think this has been happening with me'
I've read through para's post which contains very pertinent points about it maybe being a balancing act and also that Linda said it could be a rare occurrence,I hadnt thought of that point.
Yes I can see why Aselzion could be talking to people with wisdom,and I definitely think chasing after one person with the exclusion of people around you is not a good thing to be encouraging.
Aselzion you seem to show willing to meet me half way,

perhaps the answer lies in between

on the one side there's this ridiculous image of couples all in pairs,perhaps they're sitting with their palms pressed up against each other with their hair standing on end and their eyelids fluttering like in Barbarella

and then on the other end

there's bods wondering around just being on their own
(you see this image seems equally ridiculous to me,why do we think that we have to be loved by God,why can we not accept a love from a person who is flawed and has weaknesses,and I'm thinking of all the hare-krishnas here,all jumping around in unison to the beat of the music,is that a healthy image?)

I'm currently re-assesing some of my values at the moment
for example I'm trying to work out a way of fitting in around people instead of expecting them to fit in around me and yet still not throwing away the part of me that will not give in and die.You know I believe that the only reason you should stoop down is to pick someone up,not to chuck in the towel and join them at their level.

I'm trying to find away to keep all my twinkling dreams from when I was eighteen,because they're all still there aired and folded away ready for me to take out at any time to use,
and yet at the same time take some responsibility for my life,to turn to the people and life around me and use some physical weight to meld and shape it.
Perhaps we do share some karma somewhere Aselzion,it would not be at all a ridiculous idea,I can see your side of things,that you're not doing any harm as you're advocating healthy harmonious relationships,I've come on shouting pretending that I'm defending other people,maybe it's just me that's having an issue.

Best wishes Aselzion