posted June 06, 2004 12:57 PM            

Just be warned that Linda's day or two on either side of the "fertile day" is NOT enough to guarantee success.

AND you must also consider the halfway date in your menstrual cycle, as that is also a fertile time. This is the one that medical doctors speak of.

I am both an astrologer and nurse, and I would never advise astrolobiolgy without learning the system COMPLETELY and in detail FIRST, or going to a reputable astrologer who understands all the astrological and medical fertility issues... if you do not follow the RULES, you are gambling!

Semen can live in utero for up to 72 hours, that would be 3 days!! and I'd allow a bit more leeway to be 100% safe, and on both sides of the FERTILE DAY! (as well as a similar amount of time around the medical fertility day)

I wish you well, but do be careful... Linda did NOT go into complete depth about this sensitive topic in Love Signs. It was always her intent to go into more depth at a later time with either a book or her proposed hand held RahRam calculator, but that was never manifested during her lifetime.

In the Light...
A

posted June 06, 2004 07:31 PM              

Sorry to see you go. I was just now able to sit at my computer to search that (medically detailed) article for you.

Sorry to see you go.

posted June 09, 2004 07:22 AM              

(Warning: Triple earth sign is about to write a long reply).

Still I cannot help but be sceptical when it comes to your realism (if that makes sense!). I am totally in agreement with you with your point about the 72 hour life span for semen in utero, thank you for that, i didnt think of that.

But what of this "half way" date in the menstrual cycle that doctors speak of? Linda expressly said that Karma cannot be messed around with, no matter what doctors may say, and that people using the rhythm method were taking a gamble. This gave me the impression that while one might be deemed clinically fertile, Karmically they would be unable to conceive. Now i'm not going to be a smarty pants here and say that anybody is wrong because I really dont have a good idea about astrology, only a quarter of an idea if i can say that.. but i can't help but think that Linda would have mentioned the idea of the half way date if it was so important.

She said that if you trace any person's birthdate back to the time of their conception, it all goes back to their mother's fertile 2 hour time frame (keeping in mind what she may have done up to approx. 72 hours before that!). Linda was so adamant about the accuracy of astrobiology in Love Signs, i cannot imagine why she would leave out this half way period that we speak of. Perhaps she was saving this information for an upcomign book? The only other reason i can come up with is that maybe she was unaware of it also being a danger period (for those not wanting to conceive). But she mentioned the tests taken and how they had a 98% accuracy (2% due to human error - or perhaps the half way date?). All the same, it's not worth the risk, and just knowing of it being a possibility has put me off. Being a nurse, I assume you must know of people who conceived during the half way period but not during their special 2 hour window..

I just really cant stand the thought of contraception! there are only a few choices available to us, all of which either cause a health risk or create a barrier and therefore distance between the two people involved at such an intimate time.

So i would really like to learn about the system of astrobiology completely, as you advise, but so far in my search I have not found much information at all. What else is there that I am missing? Are these facts that you speak of the only issues to worry about... and where can I find the information? Are there books that have been written? Tests that have been done and recorded somewhere? How can I find a way to calculate... do I need more than just my ephemeris? I was born in Melbourne, Australia at 4:03pm daylight savings time (so 3:03pm) on 14 Jan 1983. I don't know what to do with this information other than calculate the distance between the sun and moon at my time of birth, which is approximately 2 to 3 degrees. Please help, somebody! If we all learn properly, we can teach others too, and perhaps astrobiology wont be such a mystery.

posted June 09, 2004 01:12 PM              

Please let me know if you have any questions. I hope this helps.

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Sincerely,
divinia

posted June 09, 2004 01:21 PM              

I have used either a condom, or the rhythm system for 22 years, and never had a problem with getting pregnant.

Once I got to know my rare lover, we would usually opt for no condom cuz it feels better for both. At that time, we wouldn't be all that cautious 3 days before my menstruation, during (if he's into it), and 3 days after. So maybe it does make sense that if you took the middle date of that, and then found its complete opposite day in the month, you would be most fertile.

Also, sperm IS in pre-come, so a lot had to do with checking out the guy's ability or biology if he "leaked" a lot, and of course trust.

And remember, lots of people get pregnant when they've been most relaxed, as in drunk! hee hee...

posted June 09, 2004 06:10 PM            

Titania...

Linda was an astrologer and writer.. and however good a one she was, she was NOT involved in the medical profession. In fact she had a certain disdain for the medical profession. This disdain was partly responsible for her death. She was a diabetic, and refused to take the advice of her medical providers. Suffice it to say, that her death was due to complications/consequences of this disease.

She also stated that the subject of astrological birth control was too immense for the type of book Love Signs was meant to be, and that a friend of hers at the time was planning to write about the full method. That never manifested.

So...

There are TWO fertility cycles.

ONE and probably the more fertile IS the astrological one. You measure the distance between the Sun and Moon at the woman's birth. (this is NOT the same as measuring from the Moon to the Sun. This methold is based on lunar phases, which are measured FROM THE SUN - this is important!!) When that same angle is repeated in the current transits, you have the astrological fertility day. NOW... this astrological cycle CAN and occasionally DOES happen during a woman's menstrual period.

The Second is the midway date in the woman's menstrual cycle. If the monthly cycle is 28 days, then DAY 14, would be the "medical" fertility day. If the woman's cycle is consistently say 26 days, then DAY 13 would be her fertile day.

SOMETIMES the astrological cycle, and the medical one happen AT about the SAME TIME.. meaning that time would be exceptionally fertile.

Try Alibris or Amazon or another good book search and obtain a copy of Astrological Birth Control by Sheila Ostrander and Lynn Schroeder.

Linda got a lot of her information from this book. It chronicles the studies of Dr. Eugen Jonas of Czechoslovakia. And it contains the percentage rates you were looking for!!

I think that Linda took a bit of poetic license when she talked about refraining from embracing for only approximately 5 days. She suggested 1 - 2 days on either side of the fertility date - Love Signs, pg. 899) My suggestion would be more like 14 days, if you want to be 100% SAFE. This is due to the ability of the sperm to remain viable for up to 72 hours!!

My suggestion would be more like this:

3 days on BOTH sides of the astrological fertility date. AND 3 days on BOTH sides of the cycle "Day 14" date... IF you want to be sure of PREVENTING conception.

Another astrologer on this sight would tell you that I am crazy. What I am is cautious. I am NOT a woman, so I cannot get pregnant; I gain nothing by suggesting a longer period of either abstinence or perhaps using a condom or even alternate sexual activity during these times. YOU stand to gain an unwanted pregnancy if you opt to NOT err on the side of caution.

Now.. before you say that Linda is the voice of authority in this matter... I worked with her personally for a time at her home in Cripple Creek. She was a wonderful woman, but she, like the rest of us, had her flaws and foibles. And she was not always 100% right in all of her assertions. She would tell you that herself if she could. And in fact, she always advocated that you read and study everything you can get your hands on... TRY the methods and see for yourself if they worked for you... then keep what works and chuck the rest.

In either case, I wish you well... get the book and read the system for yourself.

In the Light...
A

P.S. As I said, I am a nurse, BUT I don't ALWAYS agree with the way our medical establishment handles certain issues. However, we can't throw the baby out with the bathwater because an astrologer says that there is only a 2 hour fertile period. That would be tantamount to ASKING for an unwanted pregnancy! (and by the way, that 2 hour period represents the EXACT aspect between the Sun/Moon in the skay and the Exact degree of separation of the Sun/Moon in the woman's chart.--- REMEMBER, 72 hour viability of sperm!!)