posted June 08, 2004 12:21 AM              

I am interested in knowing anyone's responses to this next question, either based on their understanding through astro basics or more interestingly, based on their understanding through their own personal experiences.

What Aspects, what Planets in what Signs, or what Planets in what Houses, etc.... in someone's chart have the most influence on someone not really wanting to have sexual interactions without also having an emotional / spiritual connection along with their interactions when they have them?

For instance, I have heard this being very true in the case of people with Mars in Cancer, and I know of at least one person with that very placement who might seem to bear this fact out in my own life too.

Mars in Pisces is sometimes described as being this way as well.

I mean, who is most likely to turn down casual sex in a club because they prefer that having it 'mean something' beyond being just satisfied on that more basic physical level....

And WHY would they turn it down? ( meaning what planetary placements or planetary aspects do you feel have the greatest amount of influence upon anyone having a preference for more emotional / spiritual experiences with sex vs. them only wanting it for the physical experiences instead? )

As always, thanks SO much for your responses to me here.

Playful

posted June 08, 2004 01:41 AM              

Capricorn tends to frown on frivolous things when they're focused on bigger goals in life.

Scorpio can be extremely choosy in terms of bed mates as well, believe it or not.

Hmm. Interesting question.

btw, my guy has Venus and Mars conjunct....in CANCER, as well as Saturn in the 8th house.

posted June 08, 2004 07:53 AM              

Well, I have both Mars in Cancer (4th) AND Saturn in the 8th (Scorp), along with the Moon in the 8th (Scorp; although Saturn and the Moon are not conjunct)...and speaking for me, I would definitely say that there is nothing casual at all about sex.

As for the reasons, again strictly from my POV: Both the Moon and Saturn in the 8th house can have major issues with trust. Mars in Cancer is said to not be very strong in that its energies are directed more inward than outward; acting more in a defensive, than assertive, manner. Combine the trust issues and protectiveness, along with a general belief that one is very vulnerable during sex...and you've got someone who is NOT going to be in favor of a casual sexual encounter. Also for me Mars in Cancer has manifested as a desire for some kind of security, and the need to feel safe (also indicated by Saturn and/or Moon in the 8th), so again...not exactly supportive of recreational sex - - it has to really mean something. I personally feel that the 8th house activity brings an attitude of sex being a sacred experience. Saturn being the serious planet that it is exacerbates this attitude.

posted June 08, 2004 03:19 PM            

I have Saturn in Taurus in the 8th house, Mars in Pisces and my Sun is in the 4th house (natural house of Cancer). Now, even though I am fun loving and I enjoy flirting, sex for the sake of physical pleasure isn't something I need. In my experience, I need the emotional and physical to be as one - the total merge is what appeals - but that doesn't mean I do not LOVE the sensual pleasusre of being physical - it's just there needs to be more.

In the same respect, the Taurus has had a more colorful sexual history and maybe it's a dude thing, but for him sexual pleasure can also be separated from the emotional. When he DOES have emotions or that emotional connection, he takes it VERY seriously, even more seriously than I do. He has Saturn conjuncting Venus in Cancer and Mars in Pisces. Although I take sex very seriously, my "love" emotions are more 'airy' I guess. More analytical and free-spirited (Venus in Sag).

I think he past proclivities (which thrill me in some kind of weird way) may also be attributed to his 12th house Jupiter in Aries position. It's that More, More, More need of things hedonistic...the road to excess leads to wisdom right?

The other thing I have found, and maybe this is true with other 8th house Saturns, if I lose that emotional feeling for someone, that connection, my desire, no matter how hot it once burned, can easily turn to disgust and contempt. It takes a lot for me to get there, because I also think Saturn in the 8th lends to a certian staying power or loyalty to the one I am connected with, but the bond can be broken.

posted June 08, 2004 05:44 PM              

With the way I write on the boards, I'm sure you and everybody else here knows what a silly die-hard romantic I am by now, lol.

But no, actually, ironically, I have Mars in Sag. in the 8th House.

I have pretty strong drives, although that varies depending upon how busy I am with my writing and other things, since sex is so connected to creativity.

But basically, still, I am sitting on all of that for now until the time is right for it, lol.

Anyways, the Mars in Cancer theory comes from my knowledge of this teenage boy who doesn't seem all that overly-hormonal from what I have gathered by him in conversation and just from intuition, etc....

and I think that he is someone who really seems to be very loyal to his girlfriends for their other sorts of attributes right now, and I mean, I am not bashing all teenage boys as if they're mindless, heartless penises running amuck or anything, lol, but there is just something about him that makes me feel like he wouldn't be THAT into having sex for sex's sake at this point, and that he probably wouldn't cheat on or dump a girl just for the sake of having sex with someone else either.

And this is of course at a point that is one of the most hormonal times of his whole life, after all.

So anyways....

THANKS for all of the responses here.

I had also heard from astro books that Mars In Cancer was one that really wasn't as known for separating sex from love that way too.

Lol about lala's post where Uranus in the 8th is concerned.

Wow, the way you wrote that up is funny, especially when you consider how opposite it sounds from having Saturn in the 8th, lol.

I hadn't heard anything about that Venus conjunct Mars at all, but that could make sense if you looked at it from the perspective of the sexy Mars wanting to have a strong enough connection with loving Venus at the time.

pidaua,

So in your opinion, your Saturn in the 8th might stop you from following through with too many liasons that tempt you with the Mars in Pisces.

So, how do you or anyone else suspect that Neptune in the 8th could egg somebody with Mars in Pisces on, in particular if their Mars is also located in their 12th House too?

I guess it probably all depends on the person's perspective from their Neptune?

Neptune might make them more idealistic about all of it, which COULD make them want to wait for something they thought was deeper than just sex, OR....

it could also fool them into thinking that sex actually IS love sometimes, when it really actually isn't love too, maybe?

I actually read on that bob marks site that Neptune in the 8th means 'give this person one glass of wine and their yours.' or something like that, lol.

Thanks again for all of these responses and replies.

They are really, really helpful to me!

posted June 08, 2004 06:03 PM            

I think you are onto something with Neptune in the 8th and Mars in Pisces or even Pisces on the 12th house cusp. Intuitively, I would see the person as having an extremely rich fantasy life- maybe even prone to major sexual fantasies - putting the object on a pedastal and seeing "love" where only lust exists. Maybe the one glass of wine and their yours would work IF other factors in the chart predisposed the person to not having the ability to "stop" themselves from being seduced.

I do see Saturn in the 8th as my own internal Big Brother - then again, I have a very strong Pluto rising (and my sun, although in Sag trines my Saturn placement).
AS far as Mars in Pisces, I used to hate that placement because so many people made it seem like we'd all be these mushy, non-confrontational, easy to seduce, wimps..LOL...but I also have a large dose of fire and earth in my chart, so I NEED that Watery planet. It is what enables me to emote on a deeper basis, since my other water planets are in Scorp - and that sign isn't wanting to be overly demonstrative.

Would that Mars in Pisces lead me down a more decadent path? I think so - sometimes it has this strong pull to merge and to experience, but in the few instances where I let it get the best of me, I felt terrible. Like I used the seductive power to get what I wanted, when I really didn't "want" it. Meaning, it was about the chase and the merge, not the feeling..LOL..I can just see cross old Saturn pointing his finger while lecturing Mars.

posted June 08, 2004 06:04 PM              

You know what male celebrity has never had a one night stand....

TOM CRUISE of all people, lol.

And I am sure that he's had PLENTY of opportunites to have them too, lol.

He said on an Oprah show he did ( Oprah again, do I like, ever watch anything else, lol? ) that he has never had a one night stand because he 'likes the dynamic of relationships' more than those sorts of engagements.

I have no idea about his astro chart in the least, but it might be interesting to see what could have prompted him in that sort of choice when I'm sure he's had so many chances to have lots of ladies on lots of nights before.

Lol, if I found out that HE had Saturn in the 8th too, I think I'd about die laughing about it by this point! Lol

posted June 08, 2004 06:25 PM              

I'm liking the sign of Cancer more and more all the time.

They sometimes get a bad rap because of the crabby nature, but they really are wonderful peeps.

posted June 08, 2004 07:37 PM            

Mars in Pisces in the 7th here...Saturn (and moon and jupiter) in the 5th house. Open-minded, ideally love a soul union, but totally capable of separating sex from love.

As my life-drama has progressed, I've found that things that are too casual are often more trouble than they're worth. But unless and until I find The One (and while I am Aries-hopeful, all my Cappy says time is ticking away and as it does, the more unlikely that scenario is), I'm not about to turn down something that looks good at the time.

posted June 08, 2004 08:04 PM              

By any chance, am I recalling it correctly when I recall that your Moon is in Capricorn?

Or am I off on that or something there?

Also, as for Tom Cruise, I respectfully disagree with you about his comments.

He always seems like a very down to earth, genuine guy when I see him in interviews, and....

even further than that, he does seem VERY contemplative on a lot of different topics as well.

I am NOT making any implications that only 'less than contemplative' people are capable of casual sex or something at all, but....

I am saying that if I were going to choose a male celeb to believe that it could be true about, like out of ones of a list such as Rob Lowe, Warren Beatty, and Charlie Sheen, or then Tom....

then I think I might have chosen Tom out of that illustrious and well-known list of men anyway, even without his direct comments about it, you know.

He definitely seems capable of having a very different viewpoint on that subject if any one of them do to me.

Oh, and please, reply to me ASAP about that Moon position when you can!

THANKS SO MUCH!

Playful

posted June 08, 2004 08:19 PM              

I remembered right where I had read about your Moon status in The Soul Unions Forum in that Delta thread.

Well, I don't know if it means anything at all here, but I can't help noticing a small commonality between you and pixel in this case.

Pixel has also been totally open about her activities in casual sex on occasion, and you are open about them too right now, and guess what.... ta da....

you EACH have a Cappy Moon in common together!

And personally, I actually would believe that in the case of a woman, when we are talking about LOVE of all things, and the possible ability to separate it from sex so well, that the MOON position would have a DEFINITE effect on something like this here.

I mean, if a woman can engage without getting her emotions involved in any way, it might probably have a great deal to do with her Moon and the Signs etc... that it is in, maybe?

So what other Moon info. do you have, and pixel....

if you want to join in at anytime, please feel free to do so, ok?

As you can tell, I am finding this topic very fascinating right now, lol.

As for me, well....

of course, that darn old romantic Fishy Moon of mine won't let me have any fun without love included, lol.

I have Moon in the 11th, but I have no idea if that would effect me at all in this case though.

As for it's Aspects to other things, oh good gosh....

I have Moon Square Neptune, and....

that probably doesn't help me any when it comes to idealizing things AT ALL either, lol.

But I know, I know, I have to be VERY careful about idealizing a man and a situation that only turns out to be based on mostly fantasy with THAT one, lol.

Playful

posted June 08, 2004 08:55 PM            

Now with all due respect, don't forget that Tom Cruise is an actor. They act. They're good at it. I work in the entertainment industry and know personally, and from personal experience, how big a difference there can be between the real person, and the public persona. I have one of my own.

You even admitted that you have to be careful about idealizing men.

I'm not being disrespectful about Tom Cruise at all, I like some of his work very much. I'm just being...pragmatic.

Yup, Moon is in Cappy, almost exactly conjunct Jupiter. Now, I think it's important that you understand that I am not indiscriminate. I'm not promiscuous, but if I were, I'd tell you without shame.

In some ways, in the ways of the heart, I'm probably too picky. When I fall in love, I fall hard and deep--and I have read that Cappy moons love perhaps the most deeply of all moons. But they'd rather show you, than tell you.

Many many women settle for a lesser love, because they fear being alone. I want a partner in this life, but I don't need one. And I will not settle for a lesser love.

One of my best friends is a Pisces with moon in Scorpio, and I have never known anyone to be a colder fish, I have never known anyone more able to separate herself from her emotions. She can easily close herself off from anyone and everyone. Libra rising, so she can appear very charming...but watch out!

posted June 08, 2004 10:24 PM            

I heard my name.......

I have a Cappy Moon. I also have Venus Conjunct Neptune in the fifth house.
I am discerning..... I won't just randomly pick up a guy. But if there is chemistry, an unavoidable something, I have...... I am prone to sudden attractions. I respond to them. Right now it is only to flirt... but in the past... hmmm... I may have given them a little something something. Usually there was romance or friendship involved.. always chemistry/attraction. I have done the 'pity thing' though... that's taking nice too far. But I have ( regretfully).

posted June 09, 2004 12:07 AM              

I respect your opinion about performers that you know, but I am also very good friends with someone on a national tv show right now myself too, and they tell me that....

acting is about telling the truth.

They say that they are a bad liar in their own lives, because they have to be in the practice of finding the truth in order to be a convincing performer of it instead.

I won't type out their exact words on this subject, because I don't want to give away their identity at all, but suffice it to say that it is a generalization for you to say that EVERYONE in Hollywood is out to have an image to make them famous.

This person actually isn't interested in doing that themselves, and they are VERY frustrated with Hollywood's prescription of publicists and the like that try to tell performers how to act and how to be to become a star in that environment too, talking to me about how from the moment you arrive there, it seems like you are only allowed to be what people tell you to be, and not who you are instead.

This person has also had bad reviews from fans at public events, because they are actually NOT very good at putting social masks on when they are personally upset during events, and sometimes that fact about their emotions shows deeply through to their fans at those moments.

They have also gotten a little too blunt at an awards show once too, but that was for a good cause though, lol.

I am not saying that there aren't LOTS of things that their fans don't know about them, but they do go out fo their way to always try to present an accurate and on target image of themselves, even if they don't actually reveal every small little detail about everything all of the time.

So, please don't make generalizations about everybody in Hollywood just because you have some bad experiences with people out that way, ok?

Thanks a lot for that.

I have no clue if Tom is being honest or not, but I am personally actually not too sure about exactly why he would feel a deep need to state such a boldface lie when he is already about one of the biggest stars in movieland anyway, isn't he?

If he were struggling with fame, then I would understand, but I just don't think that he would need to go out of his way to make that sort of point at this stage of the game though.

And, I am well aware of how public people can have two sides.

Read some really in depth books about Princess Diana sometime, and you'll understand how far off her mere image was from the actual person in her case.

We ALL have two sides of us, but I am also one who likes to express my own truths like my friend, and so I am not one to go out of my way to cover things up either.

But anyways, my Moon In Neptune is much more likely to glamourize the idea as to whether or not someone likes me, meaning I'll think that I actually have a chance with them when I really don't have that possibility with them instead.

I am actually very good at understanding and comprehending that people can have two sides myself, don't worry about that, lol.

Thanks for the input, pixel.

I was also just going on the fact about what you said in a recent thread about how while you are emotional, you are sometimes only emotional in a contained, reserved way, as opposed to being overt about it instead.

This was in reply to a discussion about females with Cappy Moons not being as emotional as men sometimes.

THANKS FOR ALL OF THE REPLIES FOR THIS.

I hope that we all share even more insights about this topic.

posted June 09, 2004 10:35 AM            

Although I don't take the sexual contact lightly- IT HAS TO BE THERE..LOL..what I mean, and maybe this is Saturn in Taurus being expressed, the physical level must be there and must meet my level of activity. I can go long periods of time without it until the right person comes along, but when they do, I expect the physical aspect to be frequent and great. If I am with a bad lover, then the emotional connection also breaks down - so it has to be both -

posted June 09, 2004 10:35 AM            

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So, please don't make generalizations about everybody in Hollywood just because you have some bad experiences with people out that way, ok?

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Uh. I don't think I said anything of the sort. I remarked on the public vs. private persona that I see all the time. I haven't had any sort of bad experience that you allude to, and don't know where you got that.

I didn't even bring up my friend the screenwriter who insist Tom is gay.

But even if I did generalize, generalizations are just that, generalizations. They weren't directed at you as any sort of personal attack, and I think I made that pretty clear. I will always express my opinions freely.

And the reason I can see any star of any magnitude lie, is to protect his or her own image. We wouldn't like it so much if Tom or any other wholesome star we idealize said "Yeah, I go out, pick up men and/or women to have casual sex with all the time, it's fun, and they'd do anything to sleep with me, so it's cool. Sometimes I get them bit parts in movies, so it all works out."

Now I never said that's true of Tom or anyone else. But if it were, few would admit it. Stars pay lots of money to protect their images. Hmmm. Why pay to protect something if there's nothing to hide? Hugh Grant wouldn't have admitted he likes hookers if he hadn't got caught, and oh, Eddie Murphy with a transvestite hooker? It's all documented.

I once read an interview with Bono who said he was watching a talk show on which Charlie Sheen was talking about his drug days, how he'd reached the bottom of the barrel. But his good friend Bono sat him down, had a talk with him, helped him get back up and get sober.
Bono was shocked. He'd never met the man.

posted June 09, 2004 12:50 PM            

Yeah, Eminem put himself on the list! Said in an interview he wished he had a bigger...__insert nickname for Richard here__.