posted July 01, 2004 11:13 PM              

See if you know what I mean. Say you look at a Wheel, and you know the planets transit around the Wheel in a counter-clockwise direction.

OK - and say the planet doing the transiting is something like the Sun, Moon or Venus - something having to do with love and attraction.

So you start at any point you want, and you see that the "transiting love planet" first goes over the Natal Venus, then Natal Pluto, then the Natal NN, then Natal Merc, and then Natal Sun, then Uranus.

So would the process or style of how someone falls in love have something to do with this unique order? In other words, first, Natal Venus is touched, which sparks beauty and taste. Then it touches their Natal Pluto, so there's a lot of deep stuff here.

Stop here. So first, they would establish the "beauty & taste" aspects, and see if they are attracted to someone in that way, but then the person they like so far must pass their Natal Pluto's tests, next in the transit. Would this person go from being attracted, to then immediately wanting to hone into the potential mate's depths right away?

Almost as if just by virtue of this order, the Natal person would truly want someone who is "Scorpio-like", and look for that depth in them soon after the initial attraction?

And then NN is next. They'd then have to feel that person would be good for their public image. Then the communication part becomes important as it goes next to Natal Mercury. Then the Sun, which would sort of seal the deal.

See?

Is that how it would affect that Natal person?

The next Natal planet would be Uranus, so their prospective partner would have to pass some sort of test having to do with the unexpected, and on and on.

Am I communicating this in a way you can understand?

Thanks.

posted July 02, 2004 04:45 PM              

I know it's ILLEGAL around here to say that you can be affected by more than one Rising Sign - I think the Taurus influence has been too stubborn to see she's a Gemini influence... hee hee ...

As for the Wheel inquiry, if the way I explained it is not clear in any way, I appreciate anyone asking me to clarify. I'm not one of those PC nuts who gets offended by every f'g thing.

Let me try to draw a picture. Let's say there's a guy who sits at a desk at work all day, and there are, say, these five files on his desk every morning. And every morning he starts out by looking at the file labelled "Venus". He closes the file and then opens "Pluto". Closes that, opens "NN"... etc. He just does that all day long in that order...

What would would motivate a guy to want to do that all day long? Ah! Because he is interviewing dames in bikini's!! Hee hee ... bet you weren't expecting that one... the job don't seem so bad now, eh?

So the first dame is standing in front of his desk. He opens the "Venus" file, and looks at all his criteria (conscious & subconscious), to see if the dame meets his "Venus" list of criteria.

If yes, she stays. If not, next please!

So if yes, he asks her to sit down. The next thing important to him, like a reflex, is to see if she is DEEP. That's because the next file is "Pluto".

If no, next please!

If yes, his next reflex is to think about how their public image as a couple would come across, "NN". If it looks like this lady, although having seduced his "Venus", seduced his "Pluto", but somehow she would be a total wreck in public with him...

next please!

If not, then he asks her if she would like something to drink, and he opens the next file, which is "Mercury". Can she talk?

and then the "Sun" file, overall compatibility. Finally, "Uranus" - does she work well with nuttiness in general.

Does this make more sense? I don't know what you would call this, like maybe an order in which the criteria would present itself.

posted July 03, 2004 12:32 AM              

This is a very interesting concept you have come up with and may be on to something.

I will have to observe this in my own chart and life. But I really do believe you are on to something. I will get back to you on this after I spend some time pondering on it. Takes a bit for my Merc. in Taurus to process it.

posted October 18, 2006 08:37 AM            

It works for me if I begin at my Asc. I tend to spontaneously jump into romantic situations with guys that are unusual (something forbidden, against social conventions) which would relate to my Uranus rising. Pluto next up translates into my obsessive/compulsive attractions to strong, highly sexual, sometimes deviant men. Okay, next up is Neptune...if the attraction makes a strong impression I become intoxicated with the affair. I am addicted. Next Saturn slaps me around with reality but then Venus steps in to have me believe it's true love (note: Venus opp Uranus). But Chiron comes next and here's where I feel the wound (rarely healing).

Now if I start at my Sun, Aries/8th with Merc conj <1deg,quincunx Pluto this reflects on my sexual attraction to one I can QUICKLY connect and DEEPLY communicate with. Then my Cancer Moon comes next, causing me to want to take care of him, nurture him, be with him forever...ay, ay, ay! Next Mars in Leo fires up the passion and then we have Uranus there to bust things up quite unexpectedly

Now, I am merely a novice compared to the rest of you, but I think it fits. The one thing I can't get my head around is how it might work starting at any point on the wheel other than the ones I just illustrated.

Maybe someone else can clue me in.

posted October 18, 2006 02:03 PM            

Pure genius, my friend. My Aqua Mars doesn't know whether to be jealous of your insight, (because it came before I noticed it) or to worship you

This is great, regardless! I'd definitely going to try this.

posted October 18, 2006 04:39 PM            

I feel that it really depends on the synastry between the charts and the strong themes.

My girlfriend and I are highly Plutonian and we have a highly Plutonian synastry and a highly plutonian composite....the issues are mainly plutonian stuff.

Her Venus is quindecile Pluto and my Venus is in Scorpio.....pluto influences our attractions. I also feel that the astrological anima and animus might have something to do with it too....her Mars opposes Pluto,and that could indicate her attraction to Plutonian type males,and I fit the bill. My Venus in Scorpio and Moon quincunx Pluto indicate my attraction to Plutonian type females,and she fits the bill.
My girlfriend also has Pluto semisquare descendant with 2 minutes of arc,and so that can indicate her partners are Plutonian. Her Pluto is in 7th house too.

I really believe that the synastry and the 7th house,anima,animus stuff plays a part in attraction. Also the composite,progressions.

Some people can be temporarily attracted to each other and its reflected by their secondary progressed planets in aspect to their natal chart charts.

I also believe that solar return chart is like a yearlong natal chart and that transits,secondary progressions,and synastry can be used with that chart. Aspects to the Sun are important. After all, solar return is based on the exact return position of the Sun. If A's point aspects B's Sun, then A's point aspects the Sun in B's Solar return chart. A will always figure in every solar return chart of B if those 2 people are always in the relationship.

so many approaches to look at relationships.

posted October 19, 2006 08:34 AM            

if I may... we should refraze it using Solar Arcs instead of transits. 2 reasons:

1.one doesn't feel that transit of fast planets that much (their marks on one's life r not evident or long lasting)

2.solar arcs reflect life in its progress, movement. and just like u say, there will be a specific order for things to touch a person... very good observation indeed!

posted October 21, 2006 11:45 AM            

I also bought his book (solar arcs) and was amazed to discover that everything in there is also available free on his site (but a huge site, u need to read everything).

posted October 21, 2006 12:46 PM            

I don't care much for Ebertin's interpretations. He was very negative about Saturn and Neptune.

He has Mercury = Sun/Neptune interpreted as little intelligence,speech defects

I have that configuration,and I am not lacking in intelligence...I have speech defects,but they are from Dyslexia,Dyspraxia

In Ebertin's days,they didn't know about learning disabilities. They thought they were just stupid people,lazy,and other bad things.
They were ignorant about autism. Autism was once thought to be schizophrenia. They saw stuttering as a psychiatric problem too.

posted October 24, 2006 09:52 PM              

Look at the thread you guys pulled up!

Thank you for the kind words, and for trying to see where I was coming from.

Maire31 -

Yeah, you got it! That's exactly what I'm saying. See below ...

alanabelle86 -

Just thinking that you would even consider being "jealous" of my astrological curiousity is quite a compliment indeed!

MysticMelody -

I see there are some opinions as to whether to use this with Transits, Progressions or Solar Arcs. I'm keeping it simple based on my own personal experiences, my personal observation of how Transits affect me. As to where to start, I would pull up the Natal Chart with Transits using the day "the event" started as the TARGET DATE. Then try it for yourself and see.

Glaucus -

I'm thinking, when I originally posed the question, I was using "attraction" as an example (typical Libra) ... but in actuality, the Target Date can be the first day of any event. Using attraction seems easier too, but it could be the first day of a job, the birth or death of a significant other, etc. You said you're open to ideas, and I'm wondering if you see what I'm saying where x = Any Event.

I'm sticking to Transits though because I'm basing it on personal observations using Transits. Did you try the example using the Target Date of a real life event? It's not to say other influences couldn't somehow override what I'm saying, but rather, for each to use the example to see if it applies to them as I have seen it apply to me.

posted October 25, 2006 12:15 AM            

your idea is pretty cool.