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JESPERTHIA
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posted August 05, 2004 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JESPERTHIA     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi There
Does anyone know how to find Lori & Mark Hacking's birthdates. I would like to do their charts.

Thanks Jesperthia

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Gemini Nymph
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posted August 05, 2004 04:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I stumbled across this this from Horoscopechat messageboard:

Lori Hacking - Dec. 31, 1976 - Salt Lake City, UT
Mark Hacking - April 24, 1976 - Salt Lake City, UT

I must confess, this doesn't make me want to reconsider my not-so-kind opinion of Taurus men, especially when they're on that Aries cusp (you know, like men such as Adolf Hitler).

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lioneye68
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posted August 05, 2004 04:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who are those people, the Hackings?

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astro junkie
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posted August 05, 2004 05:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmmm... I wonder if the guy's Moon is in Aquarius or Pisces, it could be either. It freaks me out because he has so many signs similar to ex Mr. T., and yes, he tried to call me yet again the other day, but I did not answer the phone, and he left no message.

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lioneye68
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posted August 05, 2004 05:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nevermind...I found out for myself.

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posted August 05, 2004 05:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It looks like Mark's moon is in Pisces. But in defense of us Pisces moons, like me add his Venus is in Aries and his Mars is in Cancer (in the fall...not good at all). The last time I had a run in with a guy with an Aries Venus and a Cancer moon, he was also a sociopath. I suspect his Pisces moon being trined to his Cancer Mars (which is prone to be evasive and tries to hide aggression, i.e. be deceptive) and his Scorpio Uranus (yikes!), yet his Mars and Uranus not trined, might suggest why he was such a pathological liar - Pisces moon can be "dumping ground" for negative energies produced by other signs, like a Mars in the fall or a highly precarious, unstable Uranus, especially when they're aspected. If it had been a complete grand trine maybe the enegry would have go around in circles indefinitely, but it look like it all got dumped on his Moon, possibly causing him to snap.

Also his Moon is square Neptune in Sag. It seems to suggest someone who's very delusional and highly sensitive to having his delusions threatened or dispelled. Neptune squares can also be indicators of devious or underhanded activities, like con job, shoplifting, etc. Being both planets in mutable signs, I suspect this is even more sensitive of a square.

He also has a t-square with Sun and Uranus oppo with his Saturn (also in Cancer) as the apex, so that means his "weak" point falls in Capricorn - Lori's Sun sign. Hmmm....

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astro junkie
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posted August 06, 2004 12:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good job Gemini - you certainly did your homework. Interesting...

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posted August 06, 2004 11:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the paper this morning:

Mark Hacking's father told the Associated Press yesterday, seemingly as I was typing my speculations above: "I think it's clear that this whole house of cards [Mark] had built, all this deception, had come to an end. He had been found out. His wife discovered his deception and confronted him, and I just think he saw his whole world collapsing and broke...He just snapped."

What an awful end for Lori. God bless her soul.

Anyhow I wanted to add some further speculations about Mark's chart. I've been dwelling on this Pisces moon issue and the fact of how utterly unusual for a Pisces moon person to be so violent. This man must have been under some immense psychological pressure to have "snapped" which seems the only way an Pisces moon could possibly commit such violence, especially to someone he had believed he loved (and the sad thing is, I do suspect he did at least believed he loved his wfe - obviously, he was very deluded in his ideas of love).

The more I ponder it, the more I think the Cancer Mars trined Pisces Moon squared Sap Neptune in his chart is a rather unfortunate configuration. Upon a further look at his chart, I noticed other difficult aspects, but first I'll say more on this trio: given that Mark is more or less a confirmed sociopath at this point (and at his own father's admittence, a murderer), I think this pathology hinges a lot on this Mars-Moon-Neptune influence. Like I said above, this seems capable of producing a lot of negative energies that may have no place to go but the highly receptive moon placement. Both Mars and Neptune can play upon the more devious side of our psychology, and Mark didn't have the strongest placements for either. Cancer tend to act contradictory to Mars' naturally aggressive energies, producing a lot of frustration and feelings of powerlessness. Without healthy outlets for this inner turmoil, a person can become a virtual cesspool of repressed anger. The highly active but unstable Sag influence upon Neptune in a tight square with him easily irritated moon seems a potential recipe for trouble too. Many astrologers have noted that people with intense Neptune influences that lack an appropriate balancing aspect can become devious as a means to syphon off some of this erratic Neptune energy. Unfortunately, Pisces moon in Mark's chart may have been too compliant to both his Mars' frustration and his Neptune's erraticness.

So where was Mark's moral compass in all of this, I had to ask. Saturn, it turns out, is also in what some astrolgoers thing is a weak position for this otherwise stoic influence: conjunct to a weak, self-sabotaging Mars. Saturn-Mars conjunctions have been fingered as culprits in psychosis, suicides, antisocial behavior and self-destructiveness, including addiction and criminal acts in which the perpetrater hoped to get caught. Chances are with this conjunction plus a Pisces Moon, Mark did feel very out of control of his own life as well as feeling immense guilt over his actions. This kind of immense guilt can sometimes be a fortifiying thing, motivating a person to confess and take responsiblity. But when the person lack moral integrity, guilt can often compell the person into a dizzying state of rage. It seems for Mark, with Saturn's stablizing influence crippled, he lacked the moral fortitude to take accountablity for his actions before he slipped into rage and despair and committing a terribly horrific act.

His Saturn is further compromised by a square with that Scorpio Uranus, that may have been like the devil on Mark's shoulder, whispering "You can get away with this." I suspect this square may have played a role in why Mark attempted (so badly) to decieve the police and the public with this strange ruse he concocted. His conflicting influences from Uranus and Neptune may have left him so deluded that he thought he could fool everyone. Furthermore, this suggests that Mark, while undoubtly unhealthly in a psychological sense, isn't beyond trying to convinced people he was "crazy" when he killed his wife. It seems quite possible he may opt for the "insanity" plea when he goes to trial.

Other aspects that seems to suggest that Mark is a very troubled and sociopathic individual:

Pluto, planet of our deep subconsciousness, power and death, in squared his Cancer Mars - possibly this led Mark to abuse positions of influence and power, such as being a husband and thinking he could lie to his wife. This may have been an influence in his homicidal rage - if so, then it's possible that Mark had previous homicidal urges toward his wife but did not act upon them then.

Cancer Mars squared Aries Venus - I noted before my suspicion this ia terrible aspect. A lot conflict between Cancer and Aries, and worsen by the fact that Mars is in a cardinal feminine sign and Venus in a cardinal masculine sign. There may be seriously conflicts regarding his sexual identity that was a source of repressed anger and even hatred and resentment towrd his wife

Saturn squared Sun - again, this isn't a good aspect for moral integrity as it makes the person feel overly oppressed, building up resentment and urges for rebellion. How such feeling manifest depends on other aspects in the chart. With a stronger, more direct Mars or a more stable Uranus or Neptune, Mark may have been able to express his need to rebel in some way other than deception and other sociopathic behavior

Uranus opposed Sun - again, a potential identity crisis. Uranus would have been irritating to his self of identity and compelling his to be "extraordinary" in some way, and probably very unrealistically. Another potential factor is his deceptions

Mercury largely unaspected - aside from a merger sextile with his troubled Saturn, Mark's Mercury's not aspected in any way with any of his luminaries. It is also in Taurus, not the most ideal place for this planet. This may be an indicator that he has had serious trouble communicating effectively his inner feelings and thoughts all his life.

Neptune trine Venus - both are in fire signs, and this might be a very coloful and interesting aspect in someone else's chart, but here, both planets are squared to other planets. Delusions, defensiveness, confusion, impulsiveness and lying in his relationships with others, especially his wife, are probably what resulted here for Mark

Well, I think I've said enough. Pity we don't have the birthtime, so we could check houses. But all in all, Mark doesn't appear to have a very fortunate chart. I believe things didn't have to turn out as they did for him (no one forced him to lie, and it seems his lying is at the heart of this tragedy), but if his chart is any indication, he had a lot working against him.

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pixelpixie
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posted August 06, 2004 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Repeat Lioneye68's comments....
Who are these people?
*shrug*

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posted August 06, 2004 12:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So Gemini - you are sure his Moon is in Pisces and not Aquarius?

Pix - It's too difficult for me (emotionally) to go into details, but it's been on the news a lot.

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posted August 06, 2004 02:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aj, yes, it's in Pisces, since the moon changed to Pisces from Aqua on the 23, the day before his birthday, and didn't move to Aries until the 25th. So no matter what time he was born, his moon was in Pisces, and being on the 24th, the day after it'd moved into Pisces, it would be well away from the Aqua cusp.

Since I was so taken back by his Pisces moon, I check for other possiblitites, like it being on the cusp. On the 24th of March that year, in Salt Lake City, the moon in Pisces started at 8 degrees. Someone on another messageboard speculated that his ASC might be Capricorn - I think that's highly plausible for a variety of reasons - which means he could have been born as late as a quarter to midnight (one of two times that day when Capricorn was rising - other being 23 hours earlier), and his moon would have only been at 20 or so degrees in Pisces.

Pix - the Hackings were a young married couple in Salt Lake City, Utah. About three weeks ago, the husband, Mark, reported his wife, Lori as missing. Then begin a very strange and highly publicized inquiry into the whereabouts of Lori, including a large number volunteers searching for her. As the press released details that the police were discussing, it became sadly apparent that Mark had been lying to his wife and others about things regarding his life, past and present, casting serious doubt upon his claims about his wife's disappearence. He was shortly later admitted into a pyschiatric hosptial after what appaered to be a psychotic "break" and while in the hospital, he confided in someone (his father I think) that he had killed his wife and disposed of her body in a dumpster. This information was given to the police, and upon being released from the hospital, Mark was arrested and charged with aggravated murder. However, he himself has not confessed to the police. As far as I know they have not found Lori's body either. It is known that she had just learned she was pregnant just before her death. This is the second highly publicized murder of a pregnant wife here in the US recently, which is why there is so much media focus on it, and why some people find it very upsetting. The first was Laci Peterson, whose husband Scott is currently on trial.

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pixelpixie
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posted August 06, 2004 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awww... That's too bad! Thanks for letting me in on it, GeminiNymph. I have heard of the Laci/Scott situation.. which sickens me. But I hadn't heard of this one. I am glad I don't have empathy there.. I don't understand how one could do such a thing.
Some 'darker' things, I can almost 'get' with intuition... like I darkly understand the motivation, not that I ever condone it... but this is not one of those things... murder rarely is. Ick.

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Gemini Nymph
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posted August 06, 2004 06:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Strangely I do have a lot of "empathy" (but not necessarily sympathy) for the darkside of human nature, perhaps because I have seen an awful lot of it in my lifetime. I guess studying it and thinking thse these over helps me come to peace with my own life experiences. I have also done some reading up on the psychology of killing from time to time, from serial killers to trained soldiers at war. It's an extremely complex phenomenon. Essentially we are all capable of taking another person's life, but we are not all capable of doing so in the same way, and of course, some people find it easier to act upon these impulses than others.

I don't really enjoy "thinking in the mind" of someone like Mark Hacking, but it's something that I seem to do fairly well. I guess it's no surprise that years ago, in college I almost went into criminalogy. Probably good that I didn't - even though I often get some satisfaction with some of the insights I believe I can dig up on these kinds of people, the whole process leaves me feeling rather drained. I can't imagine making a career out this.

When it comes to astrology and looking at the darker side of human behavior, I don't think many astrologers have done their homework. I think you really need to be able to "know" how a "dark" mind and soul ticks before you can see how that might relate to astrology, espeically on an intuitive level, since astrology in many ways is an intuitive science. I'm not saying I'm an expert on this, although I've had some fairly good success in seeing the potential for criminal, destructive and antisocial behaviors in people's charts, and being able to justify my conclusions. I don't think there's only just a handful of aspect that make a person amoral, mentally ill or antisocial (although there are some that definitely stand out as "problematic"), but the way aspects work together (or in Mark Hacking's chart, against each other), combined with the choices that individuals makes in their life and other influences.

I'd hazard to guess that most people have the resources to cope with the weaker aspects in their charts that might make them vulnerable to "dark" impulses. Plus I believe that humans are inherently good, so we naturally strive to resist those impulses. I even sure Mark Hacking tried to resist. Sadly it seems that in order to perpetuate his lies and rationalizations, he didn't allowed himself to take advantage of resources available to him over time to diffuse and balance out such impulses, and it eventually consumed him.

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