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LeylaLeFay
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posted August 10, 2004 03:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My ex was a double Cancer- is this what made him such an emotional manipulator?

His bag of tricks included making fun of crippled people, rape victims, etc.

The technique was simple: Show the soft vulnerable Cancer side, get you to confide your painful secrets in him, so he can use them agaist you as a weapon.

Example 1: During a public argument with his ex girlfriend, he shouted out "You're a crazy b*tch because your father molested you!!!" In front of the crowd.

Example 2: A girl we knew told the heartbreaking tale of being prostituted out by her abusive father. He seemed sweetly sympathetic and encouraged her to confide in him.

Then the next time he had a trivial argument with her, he left vicious messages on her machine "You're nothing but a wh*re anyway! Maggots drip from your slimey ***, and you leave a trail everywhere you go! When you look in the mirror you know a wh*ore is all you'll ever be!"

Her roommate reported that the girl heard his messages, then cried until she vomited. He basked in victory.

Example 3: A guy we knew was crippled, and he sent him a nasty letter calling him a genetic freak and so on, and so forth.

The result is that I hate Cancers. I see their "soft vulnerable" side as an act and a trap.

But is this just because he was a double Cancer?

Can someone tellme how to post a chart so I can check out what all must be wrong with him?

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LeylaLeFay
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posted August 10, 2004 05:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's a link
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=3;btyp=w2gw;cid=n74fileb2vg4y-u1092126194&nhor=1

The reason I'm doing this "relationship autopsy" is that I'm about to enter into a new relationship and don't want to bring any of the old baggage with me.

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sthenri
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posted August 10, 2004 08:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The last man I dated broke up with a Cancer before me, she did a number on him.

I am suprised at the chart, Cancer Moon and Libra rising but then I see Pluto is a singleton in the 12th house. Hidden power plays.

And Mars is in Leo/11th house, he likes to argue a lot and win.

Chiron in the 7th, his wound deals with partnerships, relationships, arguing and legalities. He may feel he loses his identity in partnerships.

And that whole stellium in Cancer in the 10th house, including Saturn talks about his upbringing. His father in particular was moody and possibly abusive.

It's a shame since with Cancer on the midheaven, dealing with people would have been his calling. He can listen to others easily, only instead of being a therapist, in this case he feels threatened and jealous of others.

Did he drink? I am surprised if he was not abusive to you when drinking.

I hope that you are seeing a therapist while entering your new relationship, because our old ones do give us mental junk to deal with that can cause problems in new relatioships.

I too had a horrible time with my ex, a Libra, and so when dating I see a therapist weekly. It helps process all that mental and emotional junk.

Take Care,
Natasha
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Aen
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posted August 10, 2004 08:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is the birt-time exact?? I was wondering about the Pluto conj Asc.

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pidaua
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posted August 10, 2004 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't go so far as to say that all Double Cancers are evil.

I would say that some people, regardless of their sign, are inherently EVIL!!!

I am sorry you had to be exposed to such a horrid person and it's too bad that there exists people that would actually use someone painful past against them. That is just wrong..

I can only hope that the Karma will kick his crabby a$$ and he will maybe comeback as a toilet bowl in a frat house. Ewwwwwwwww

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divinia
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posted August 10, 2004 12:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I am suprised at the chart, Cancer Moon and Libra rising but then I see Pluto is a singleton in the 12th house. Hidden power plays.

Dear Leyla,

I think Natasha is right on in her analysis of his 12th house Pluto. Anything in the 12th house is typically hidden from the native and works on a purely subconscious level. Libra, of course, strongly relates to dealings with other people, especially on a one-to-one basis, and Pluto is related to volcanic-strength power.

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divinia

What wisdom can you find that is greater than kindness? -- Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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lioneye68
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posted August 10, 2004 02:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The first thing that struck me, in explaining his shocking strikes at other people's achilles heals or jugular vein is

1.) Uranus in the first house...this planet loves to shock, and it's energy is of the severe type

2.) Pluto conj. Ascendant, with a 1 degree orb, squaring Mercury, planet of communication (as well as Venus and Saturn)...pluto's energy is also of the severe type, as well as extremely good at finding the achilles heel of others and using it against them. It's all about power.
*edit* oh yeah, Pluto squaring Venus in a mans' chart could indicate some powerful and malignant energy directed at females specifically.

3.) 3rd house ruled by Sagittarius, the sign of 'no filter between brain and mouth'...it's ruling planet, Jupiter, in a nice little trine with Mercury in the 10th, expanding the communication abilities, whatever their nature may be (in his case, rather volitile and vengfull, as described by the square from Pluto)

4.) URanus square sun and moon. This aspect certainly adds to the instability of the sun and moon, again leading to shocking and extreme tendancies.

Pid has a little story about a Virgo dude, who also had this placement, Uranus in the 1st. He was a violent psycho, apparently.

I really don't think this guys ugliness has anything to do with being a double Cancer, but rather the placements of powerful and volitile planets at very sensitive points in his chart, making harsh aspects to his communication and personal planets.

*IMO*

PS...really really glad to hear that he is your EX, LLLF.

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lioneye68
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posted August 10, 2004 03:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also wanted to add...

All these things are only indicators. He is ultimately in charge of his own actions, and if he carries on like this for much longer, he's going to end up with a knife in his back or something. He'll reap what he sows someday, Karma will see to it.

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pidaua
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posted August 10, 2004 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lioneye,

You brought up some great points. Uranus in the 1st house does like to shock and without any strong planets keeping it in line - it will do what it wants.


The scary aspect of Pluto in the 12th (on the Ascendant) and squaring Mercury does indicate someone that would LOVE to find out the dirt..then blurt it out - especially when in conjunction with Sag in the 3rd and the Uranus placement.

Again, I have Pluto rising and I have habit of sensitive information falling into my hands. I have NEVER used a persons painful past to hurt them, although I have said words that cause hurt. I hate that..sometimes that Sag Sun and Pluto placement is harsh - as I grew older I learned to walk away (unless my buttons KEEP getting pushed LOL)...

This guy though, he doesn't have a reason to be so cruel. He is alot like my old Virgo friend the psycho - he too had a Singleton (Mars in Leo) in the 12th house. Scary...very scary.

LeylaLeFay...you are right to have left him..he needs help!

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Alarik
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posted August 10, 2004 05:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No one's inherently 'evil'.

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sthenri
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posted August 10, 2004 05:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I often wonder about my own 12th house which contains Neptune. Not a singleton but opposite my Sun. Does this mean that I have a hidden desire to get drunk or attract drinkers? I do feel incredibe compassion for just about everyone sometimes especially animals.

But I often wonder if there is any other practical meaning. If anyone has an idea let me know.
I am a visual artist, and I paint textiles.
(dye? neptune?)

Thanks,
Natasha
Taurus/6th

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astro junkie
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posted August 10, 2004 07:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think those are all good points, and also would add someone's upbringing. If the parents don't curb that negative tendency, perhaps even having parents who are negative in that way too... then the person never learns they have that terrible tendency, much less knowing how to stop.

The way it was described sounds like this person was never taught how to be any other way. It's quite extreme! I'd look at their Mars and take notice of Transits over their Mars. This person might be prone to accidents or being the victim of violence.

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Gemini Nymph
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posted August 10, 2004 09:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, Cancer in general is notorious for using your confessions against you. With "healthy" Cancers (are there any?), they would not do this so viciously however. They tend to be sarcastic and make mean remarks when they're defensive, unless they have over aspects that make them confrontational and aggressive, like a, ahem, Leo Mars in an "universal" house (which means he's an equal opportunity offender). Cancer is definitely the most passive-aggressive of all the signs - when they are the vindicative type, RUN fast in the opposite direction.

Also, the Cancer-Leo cusp, I've found, can produce a very questionable, ambiguous moral character in some individuals. They tend to have great charisma that gets them noticed early on in their lives, and they seem to get overly accustomed to being priviledged in this way. Humilty is a particular challenge for these individuals and if they have other potentially problematic aspects in their chart and they don't learn humilty, many problems can ensue.

I'm not entirely comfortable with some of the above intepretations, but I don't think there's any need to go head to head with anyone over this. However I do strongly disagree with interpreting this Pluto as in the 12th house. That close to the ASC, it should be interprated in the 1st house, and therefore its influence manifesting much more visibly and confrontationally. I have Pluto rising in the 1st, so I can speak from personal experience that 12th house and 1st house Plutos are night and day. This guy sounds like he's being driven by a negative manifestation in the 1st house. If it was more of a 12th house influence, given that this guy's obviously disturbed, he'd probably be writing journals full of bizarre rantings or having intense, violent dreams rather than being so confrontational (his willingness to confront is amped up immensely by that Leo Mars - a very egocentric, power-driven position - and his Moon and Cancer conjunct on the Leo cusp). Obviously he's consciously letting people see his "powerfulness" and will - very 1st house.

In defense of Pluto, I have a strong influence of Pluto which includes a square with my Sun conjunct Merc (part of a Tsquare that also includes my moon), and I don't have the desire to abuse people or exert power through intimidation, maliciously or otherwise. I am in fact very conscious and sensitive to how my Pluto influence affects other people, and find pettiness and intimidation extremely offensive. People with strong Plutonian influence can run one of two ways, either positive or negative. Pluto's an extreme planet with profund influence - there's little middle ground. On the positive side, Plutonians exercise their power carefully, cautiously and often with great wisdom. On the extreme negative side, they can be mindbooglingly petty, mean and abusive. Because Pluto acts upon the subconscious, how it manifests depends on many factors: one's upbringing, their current environment, their awareness of this influence, their own state of mental and emotional health/maturity all play a significant role in how Pluto's inflence ultimately manifests in an individual. This is why synopsis interpretations of Pluto so often miss the mark. It's just very hard to account for all the variables.

Kurt Cobain had a similar Pluto conjunct ASC, that astrologers regularly misinterpret as being in the 12th house, just like this guy's chart. It should be interpreted definitely in the 1st in Cobain's chart. Being a Pisces with a preponderence of water in his chart, Cobain exerted the negative side of his rising Pluto passive-aggressively when he felt vulnerable or helpless (which was often), usually lashing out at people from a distance (like through interviews - again, conscious exposure of power or will), from his fans, to other bands, to record companies to his own friends and bandmates. While these comments have largely been overshadowed by Cobain's legend, they reveal that he most likely yearned subconsciously for some degree of power to reward or punish people at his own will - typical of someone who is emotionally or mentally disturbed and under intense Pluto influence.

I likewise disagree with the implication that Uranus is inherently malefic unless another planet keeps a lid on it. I have a Uranus cardinal singleton in the 1st house, that dominants and gives focus to a grand trine, and if this was true I'd be a sociopath. Well, I'm not. Uranus can be a highly beneficial planet, by challenging routine and the status quo, encouraging someone to be resourceful and be their own person - what one does with that influence is another matter. It seems that in this guy's chart, he could've put that Uranus influence to a lot good use, with it being aspected so agreeably with both Venus and Mars. I guess he had other ideas. Free will does factor into our behavior afterall.

Honestly I'm not surprised that this guy's a scary headcase: if I was asked to provide a "worst case scenerio" for this chart, I'd say this individual has the definite potential to be a manipulative, vindicative, delusional and habitually abusive person who is arrogant, condescending, egocentric, power-hungry and literally gets a "high" from intimidating or being abusive towards others he sees as vulnerable or "easy pickings". The best news in this scenerio, I'd say, is due to the Pluto, Mars, Moon and Sun positions, plus so much going on in the universal house, most of his ugly behavior will be "out there" to be seen by those around him - there's isn't much to indicate someone good at concealing (or would want to) his sociopathic inclinations with this chart. If you saw this much from him, my question is: why didn't you get away from him sooner? I doubt you've seen the worst this guy could dish out.

I like the suggestion about talking about this with a therapist. Whenever you find yourself in or just out of an abusive type of relationship, it's a good idea to see a therapist, to make sure you cover the bases and don't set yourself up for a repeat. Hey, I've done it! It helped me be more aware of why I got into a relationship with that particular guy in the first place, and of the baggage I'm carrying with me since, so I can avoid making the same mistakes over and over.

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sthenri
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posted August 10, 2004 09:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I still disagree respectfully, as I see Pluto in the 12th as being in the 12th. The Ascendant looks like it's in the 12th true...but it's still the 12th house.

Case in point, my Neptune is conjunct my Ascendant in the 12th, but I am not unfocused, or as dreamy as a Neptune in the 1st, or Neptune singleton. I react to people from my first house, Sag conjunct Mars, and most people think I am an Aries not a Pisces.

The 12th house is unconcious so the personality is not expressed the same as in the 1st.

I believe life is more concious, with a strong first house, regardless of the ascendant. It doesn't mean the life is better, just more aware of the effect on others.

There is such a person who is so out of it, he or she does not know the effect they have on others.

As for bad Cancers, are there any good ones?

Oh positively for me. I knew a Cancer neighbour who would always do things for me, without asserting his will over mine, and he never asked for confidences. One day I called him since he was missing for a while, and he said he was very sick. He didn't want to worry me.

We met for milkshakes once a week for a year, he never bothered me with his problems and always listened to me. He never made a move, except for once when I sent him some very strange signals and I was in a very bad relationship. Great guy. He ended up breaking up with his questionable girlfriend and moving to take a job at a mega corporation. He is very happy and I often wish I had gone to work with him. Cancer men make fantastic work partners.

Another Cancer male I knew was at a nightclub when I was being mistakenly arrested-don't ask for the whole story. Anyway he arrived and instantly made me feel at ease, he saw the problem and made sure I was taken care of, escorted home, and took me to dinner, which included an ice cream sundae. What a doll.

So I would say if you have a really big mouth, and need a friend to rely on, you may want to look around for a Cancer, sometimes they come through, if they are happy too, but at least in the end you have a good time, and you are well fed.

Natasha
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lioneye68
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posted August 10, 2004 09:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I'd have to agree, Natasha, Cancers can be some of the biggest sweethearts on the planet...they are very understanding and supportive!

I too have known some foul ones, the dark side of the moon is very dark indeed. But the bad Cancer's I've known still weren't as foul as a bad Aries or a bad Scorpio, or even a bad Leo for that matter.

This guy had some issues, that's for sure. I cringe when you finger that early Leo Mars, though because I have that same Mars. I'm not like that at all. At least I hope not. My Mars opposes my moon with a 7 degree orb (same orb for sun & merc at 15 deg Leo).

but, I think the planet's effects seem to get thrown forward when they're at the end of a house. My Neptune in the 12th 8 degrees from my ascendant, and I am really quite Pisces/Neptunian. Of course, transiting Neptune has been conj my moon and oppose my sun & merc for that last few years at least.

I agree that he has Pluto conj his ascendant, but still behind it, so still somewhat of a subconscious source of motivation.

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LeylaLeFay
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posted August 11, 2004 07:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You guys have hit on a remarkable amount of things. I'm impressed.

He caught me when I was having a period of financial difficulty. I literally had no where else to go. No, I am not sure about the birthtime.

His nickname was "Golden Boy."

This is because he was very over privledged, grew up with a house full of servants, and was doted on by his mother.

I swear to god he thought he was royalty. He would say to people "Show some respect for your social betters."

He hated his father and claimed he was abusive, because he said things to him like "Go to school" and "Get a Job."

In his eyes this was totally unfair and unreasonable.

He was very good looking, and very charming. He had that "cult leader" magnitism.

Example: Many times I saw him walk into a random bank with NO account number and NO form of ID, and sweet-talk the bank teller into handing him cash.

He totally controlled all his friends. If he didn't get his way he made sure everyone was miserable.

Example: A group of eight all wanted to see a certain movie. He wanted to see a differant one. Guess which movie everyone ended up seeing? The movie of HIS choice.

After that we all went to a resturant and wanted a particular table. He didn't like that table. He made everyone get up and move to the table of HIS choice.

Yes, he did have violent dreams nearly every night, and was often paranoid: keeping a knife next to the bed, only showering if the curtain was see through so no one could sneak up on him, checking behind the tires everytime he got into the car in case someone had left nails.

He would fly into rages, breaking furnature, punching holes in walls and tearing doors off hinges.

He was sober when I was with him, but after I left he went downhill and began drinking heaviy and taking drugs. He broke into my house several times, causing me to call the police. I now have an unlisted number, and moved without leaving a forwarding address.

This was six years ago and I haven't had a relationship since!

The prospect of living with another man terrifies me!

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sthenri
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posted August 11, 2004 11:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leyla, why are afraid now, did something come up? You don't have to live with anyone if you don't want to, in this day and age no expects that. If you have a pet you will feel better.

It's not easy leaving that behind, are you sleeping okay yourself? Are you surrounded by any momentos of him, such as furnishings? If so get rid of them and all reminders too.

Don't be scared, or worried, if you can't find you, then all you have to do is take care of yourself. Maybe you are worried there are other men out there like that? But no I think that we are all given lessons, and God wouldn't put you through that again. I really believe we only get so much to deal with in one lifetime and you are due for better.

Natasha
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Cancer Moon/8th

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lioneye68
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posted August 11, 2004 11:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Geez, that all sounds like Pluto on a bad day! Totally Plutonian. The Leo Mars is prominant too, because it's up in the 10th there.

At least he's aware of the fact that someone may want to kill him one day. He's not entirely dense, I guess. You'd think that if he knew that much, then he'd modify his behavior. Behaving badly, but not really knowing better is one thing, but knowing better, and doing it anyway ??? Not good karma, dude... not good at all. tsk tsk.

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Sheaa Olein
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posted August 11, 2004 11:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LeylaLeFay - http://www.mamarocks.com/great_big_hug.htm For you & all those who've encountered acts that sicken us


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"The hours I spend with you I look upon as sort of a perfumed garden, a dim twilight, and a fountain singing to it. You and you alone make me feel that I am alive. Other men it is said have seen angels, but I have seen thee and thou art enough."
-George Moore

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Alarik
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posted August 11, 2004 07:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't mean to be harsh...well, yes I do. But I'll apologize in advance, just to cover my bases

If your judgement is that bad...that you can trust yourself with someone with that many obvious signs of being a total jerk (I bet his looks and his growing up rich didn't influence you at all to ignore his little 'quirks', either, wink wink), then it's a lesson you needed to learn. Don't hate cancers, hate yourself for being either a blind, gullible person, or a shallow gold-digger. Whichever was the affliction that got you into that mess. Because, well, with your new relationship, if you are still blaming your ex for being a jerk, and not yourself for not seeing a jerk, you're going to make the same mistake over and over again, like a kid who keeps touching hot stoves, and blames the fire for the burns >_<

I'm sorry if that was hurtful, but it's probably a lot less hurtful than another stupid choice. You can blame my meanness on my cancer moon, if you like.

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lioneye68
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posted August 11, 2004 07:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We've all made bad choices. Some jerks reveal themselves very slowly, and we don't want to toss out a potentially good person based on a few icky qualities.

It's insane how much BS I myself have tolerated from men...and I can't eveb say for sure that I wouldn't tolerate any more. I just hope that I won't be in a position where I'm actually dependant on somebody who is mean and hurtfull just for fun.

If you're too quick to say "Nope, not gonna put up with this" at the first sign of a character flaw, well you may very well end up utterly alone. These things reveal themselves slowly, over the course of the relationship. They don't act like that the first day you meet them.

PS. She DID see what a jerk he was. He is her EX, afterall.

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Alarik
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posted August 11, 2004 08:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To each his/her own, I guess. Sounds like just being with someone, anyone at all, is more important than who you're with from that POV though, and I don't like that, tbh. I mean, it's one thing to realize that no one is perfect, that your mate is only human...but it's quite another to ignore clear, blazing indicators that someone is just no damn good.

I mean, maybe I was a little unfair. Yeah, she did eventually break up with the guy. But still...after how long? She mentioned all those horrible things he did. What I'm wondering is, after she heard him do it the first time, why the hell did she stay long enough to hear it a second time? And a third? And even more?

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posted August 11, 2004 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good points.

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pidaua
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posted August 11, 2004 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GeminiNymph,

I do like your analysis and insight, but I am going to go with Natasha and my earlier opinion on Pluto in the 12th. I do see that Pluto close to the 1st will influence first house issues, but alas, it is still located in the 12th.

I feel the same about Uranus. I also have the singleton in a cardinal sign (Libra) in my first house. I never said all Uranus singletons are wack jobs, but we DO tend to be a bit bizarre at times. If ones is already prone to malefic tendencies, having a Uranus singleton is not going to help matters at all.

There is a great article by Eleanor Buckwalter about Singletons..I am going to see if I can find it. Yep..here it is:
http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/singletons/uranus/uranus.htm
www.astrologyclub.org - click on the "astrological articles" on the left. Ton's of great information

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LeylaLeFay
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posted August 11, 2004 11:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't be all in a rush to blame the victim.
As I mentioned before, the man had extraodinary powers of persuasion.

I am not the only one he had under his control. Far from it.
Even complete strangers would do his bidding.

He was a professional con artist. As I said before, he didn't believe in real work. He conned me like he did everyone else.

Grown business men twice his age would be totally taken in by his scams.
Men in high places, men who should know better!

The story was, he had chipped his tooth on the blarny stone as a child, and swallowed a piece. And I believe it. He could turn black into white.

As for the other questions:

1) I was teenager, out on the street with nowhere to go.
2) He didn't pull his stunts until after I had already moved in.
3) The "hot stove" comment is way out of line, considering I haven't been in a relationship in six years.

I had never been in an abusive relationship before him- or after him either.

Don't blame me for someone elses behavior.

It's not my "pattern" to seek out these kinds of men. But I do feel sympathy for the women out there who do.

I ran into ONE real monster, and now I'm afraid to get involved with ANYONE.
Alone = Safe

Why this has all come up now, after so long: I've met someone I like a lot. He seems wonderful.

What if he changes personalities on me, like my ex did? What if it's all an act and a trap?

Now I'm getting involved with someone new all the old fears come up. I've been having nightmares about being back with my ex.

It's just so hard to trust again, after an experience like that.

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