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virgo
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posted August 18, 2004 04:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I never bothered to do my brothers chart...
And I wonder why I never did...
but here it is
http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=achart_jbzfile55aka6-u1092816937.29737.9842.gif&res=63&va=


I tried to figure some things out myself....but I'm not good at reading charts yet..If anyone has time can you tell me what you think bout it?
he seems to be lazy...if hes good at something like drawing...he dosnt bother taking classes to get better...show it off...or enter contest. he never makes the effort...he just waits and see where it takes him...you have to push him to do something...but once he finnaly dose..he really commits to it.
is that cause hes got soo many pisces in his chart?
meh i dont know..hes 15. I dont know what time he was born cause it was never recorded...
so this is all i got.

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Archer
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posted August 18, 2004 05:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey! where r the house lines? how will we know his ascendant? think he is a tripple pisces.i think mars and jupiter in lazy taurus are responsible. no more idea.

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Gemini Nymph
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posted August 18, 2004 11:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're going have to repost that chart since it's expired, but it's very helpful to get a birth time. How are you defining lazy? Is it that he really is idle, or just isn't living up to your Virgoan ideals of how he should be. It also may be that he sees no point in actualizing his talents due to a lack of postive encouragement in his life, or he may have self-esteem issues. Having a Virgo for a sibling, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. You seem awfully confident in passing judgement over him.

Pisces nor Taurus aren't necessarily lazy (self-indulgent, yes, but not lazy), but both are easily discouraged and will wallow in inactivity, self-loathing and insecurity when unhappy. When they are happy, both Pisces and Taurus can be very productive. Having both Pisces and Taurus strong in one's chart usually indicates an extremely sensitive, creative and introverted individual that is highly receptive of his or her environment. Artistic pursuits would be ideal for such a person as they provide a non-direct means of communication for them - but they need to be in a supportive environment to make to the most of their talents. Hence, if you or other family members have been henpecking him to live out to ideals for which he's not tempermentally suited for could easily lead him to depression, which if those around him are too judgemental and not compassionate (or educated enough about things like depression) will deem mistakeningly as simple laziness, only compounding the problem.

And granted I have plenty of things to say about Taurus that aren't terribly positive, but it's been my experience that Taurus Mars isn't lazy. Resevered, cautious, yes, but also highly determined and creative. It is however very prone to depression because it doesn't readily express anger, and instead bottles up that anger until it depresses the individual.

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Archer
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posted August 18, 2004 01:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i rephrase myself. not lazy but 'slow as if inactive.'

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LibraSparkle
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posted August 18, 2004 02:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Mr. Taurus isn't lazy, typically. He CAN be, but well... he has a Libra Moon. He is rarely idle. If he's not physically doing something, he's working it out in his head. I suppose that could appear to be idle... but it's not IMO.

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virgo
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posted August 18, 2004 03:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=3&btyp=w2gw&

sorry, here it is again.

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virgo
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posted August 18, 2004 04:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dont push him like that cause I want him to live up to my expectations or anything.

for example: Hes really good at drawing and animation. And he wants to make a career out of it..like get into computer games..or design.
I see bunch of opportunities for him that he can get into..and its something he likes so it will give him something to do.
Like in school...there was a little contest to design the year book cover. And I was like why you dont u sumbit one of your drawings or make something..
and hes like "i dont know" and im like "why not"...and hes like "i dont wanna draw stupid eagles"...cause thats our school symbole thing...and im like ya u dont have to draw that. actually they dont even want an eagle cause there sick of having it every year.
and hes just like "oh ok"...and than he never dose it..
he took up guitar..he learned quickly and hes good at it...and he had a chance to perform at this concert thing but he never did...
its not at all he dosnt get postive encouragement. he knows hes good..and i tell him hes good. same as my parents...he just dosnt do anything. hes not as ambitious as me..
i also do it cause i want him to meet people and get some real friends. hes on the computer all the time playing games or working on animation.
his good friends all moved away...so he dosnt have any right now
i finnaly got him to sign up for this animation class. i know he wanted to...but he like keeps coming up with excuses..like oh its too expensive..dad dosnt wanna pay for it..and he dosnt ask...so i just went to my dad and told him to sign him up...
hes going to it now and he likes it.
somtime i think he just needs a little push.
hes also a bit overweight...
well...acutally no hes not. if u look at him..he looks fit. its only his stomach that shows. and he dosnt like it..so im just like alright go to the gym..hes already got a pass...and you have to like drag him out of the house to go..
and hes always like "im fat" and im like well stop eating junk food...he'll eat things that are unhealthy..which like really ****** me off...and i cant help it and and i say "u keep that your going to have heart problems by the time ur 30" and when it comes to dinner..if he dosnt like it he wont eat...and its usually healthy stuff he wont.
when i get ****** off at him....somtimes i call him fat..just to get back at him..but i stoped that..
he just dosnt do anything to change...
all hes into is video games..
he really wanted to get a job this summer..at burger king or something..and i thought it would be good for him too.
he will meet new ppl...he would be more social..
he went and applied..i told him to go apply again and talk to the manager..cause it brings up ur chances to get a job..and hes like 'no i dont want to"
and he dosnt get the job...
so now all he dose is sit around and its reallly hard not to critize him..everyday im like get the hell up...go out...get a life..
seriously..i just cant stand seeing him sit there alll day.
there are days he might go to the gym for couple hours....
but that is it.

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sthenri
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posted August 18, 2004 09:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like my little Aqua brother! Seriously brothers are very much the same, they all seem to be the ones who never do anything, they just sit there and refuse to listen right? And eat junk food? They ought to get together and do something only it's more fun to hang out with sisters and watch us go nuts.

Plus sometimes we have money,

This is what having a husband is like if you are not lucky.

I don't know why he is acting this way, but at least his moods will change as he gets older, to take of your moods keep him from hanging out with you, do your own thing.

Otherwise he will want to watch what you are doing. Burger King may not be very motivating, how about a movie theater? My little brother went for that. Movie theaters are a lot of fun, that or a video/music store.

Be patient, but yes Mars in Taurus can be very stick in the mud about making decisions, basically this placement resists change. If a movie theater is where everyone is hanging out stress that, stress what's popular and dont' make him feel uncool. He already feels uncool and and he wants to fit in.

Take Care,
Natasha
Taurus

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astro junkie
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posted August 18, 2004 11:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
... maybe they had wished she be a boy ...

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Archer
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posted August 19, 2004 07:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
that link opened my chart!!! i swear!!! something seems wring with astro.com

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Archer
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posted August 19, 2004 07:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
please read the name...it says Neerav Kothari for me! which is me.

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Aen
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posted August 19, 2004 08:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Archer,

Posting issues, not astro.com problem I suppose. The link virgo posted has probably expired by now and you just get 'your own cookies'.

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Archer
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posted August 19, 2004 11:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hmmm....cookies. let me delete them and try!

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Aquarian Girl
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posted August 19, 2004 01:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Although your intentions seem to be in the right place, you seem very, very critical of him. It's hard to flourish when you are constantly bombarded with an avalanche of criticism, constructive or no. Constantly pointing out ways in which he could be "better" is in essence saying what he currently is, is not good enough.

My mother is an overly critical, constantly fault-finding Virgo and all my life I've found her "suggestions" crushing to my self-esteem. I still get anxious about things because I've internalized this constant criticism and now I have my own inner critic who won't let up. Reading your post I could totally see my teenage self as your brother and I found my mother's voice and criticisms echoing through almost word for word.

Don't do this to your little brother.

He sounds like a wonderfully creative, intelligent person and I think if you let him find his own outlets for his various pursuits, he will come into his own by himself. BTW, I think it was great how you went to your dad and got him signed up for the animation class

You sound like you care about him a lot and I know your heart is in the right place, but you have to remember he isn't you and maybe he's more introverted and content doing what he does. He isn't you. Maybe he is not a people person and maybe he doesn't like being social except for his own inner circle. His friends moved away and if they were very close, it'll take time for him to build up such meangingful friendships again. That's life.

As far as his weight... that's the worst thing you can do is to lecture him about what he eats and call him names. He's only a teenager, as long as he isn't obese or binge eat or anything destructive like that, who cares if he has a little belly? Sometimes a belly can be kind of cute

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted August 19, 2004 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Virgo,

Aquarian Girl already said much of what I wanted to say. Like her, I too had/have a very critical, faultfinding Virgo of a mother. And its probably not presumptuous to suppose that, if anybody here can relate to your exasperatingly unworldly brother, its probably Yours Truly.

First, let me say that ambition, like everything else, can be dangerous in the extreme. A person who seems to neglect their potential, may in fact be all-too aware of it… if only on a subconscious level. Such people may suspect themselves powerful beyond measure, and this may lead them to abdicate responsibility until they are positively assured of the absolute purity of their motives, ends and means.

Also, creative people may often appear to mature more slowly than most, simply because their maturation tends to be a far more personal, intimate, internalized, and philosophical process. They mature from the inside out, and generally end up surprising everybody when they “suddenly” begin to bear fruit.

No matter how many road signs you post or point out to him, you will always see his eyes wander off. It is not that he is indifferent to the direction in which he is headed – but he may presently be more concerned with discovering first where he now stands. The signs he reads must necessarily pass unnoticed by others, as they are not located in the common world, but in secret, within himself. You cannot give him directions, for you cannot possibly know the way. For anyone determined to be original, the way that is pointed out will always be the wrong way. You see him wandering off the beaten path and, naturally, you fear for him…. But what if he was never meant to follow at all, but rather, to blaze trails of his own? (And if indeed he does ultimately come to follow a path, it will only be because he has discovered it for himself and, in essence, made it his own.) All you can hope to do is provide the proper encouragement, and be ready to give assistance when (if ever) it is requested. And that means being patient with him, above all else.

There is a famous book by the great German poet, Rainer Maria Rilke, called Letters to a Young Poet, in which he states (practically on the first page) that criticism is utterly opposed to the free expression of the creative spirit. This is true. Nothing smothers the artistic aspirations of a child more than the constant reminder that skies are not green, grass is not blue, and horses do not have wings, or horns protruding from their foreheads.

I attended a Unitarian Universalist Church one Sunday, not long ago, where I heard a story that touched me deeply. It was the story of a small village, and a young musician, who cared only for playing music morning noon and night. All the villagers taunted him, resented him, and considered him a good-for-nothing bum. While they slaved in the fields and cursed their lot, he strummed his guitar without a care in the world. So, one day, this big ole’ giant, who has been hibernating for a hundred years or so, wakes up. Understandably, he’s cranky (giants tends to be rather cranky folk). So, what does he do? He goes on a rampage (giants tend to go on rampages when they’re cranky), and starts trampling the fields and houses; laying nearly a whole year’s harvest to waste, and threatening to wipe out next year’s as well. All the villagers run screaming for their lives in the opposite direction. All but one. With the village deserted, but for the giant and himself, the lowly musician sets out across the fields, guitar in hand. Had there been anybody left to see him, they would most definitely have thought him mad. Nonetheless, when he reached the great feet of the cranky giant, the musician began to play. And the music so soothed the giant’s giant soul, that he promptly fell back asleep for another hundred or so years. Of course, the musician was celebrated by the returning villagers as a hero. For decades, children were taught to play music, until, at length, the giant was forgotten, and so was the value of a song. Once more, only those truly sensitive and independent souls, who didn’t mind being thought worthless for the sake of the music they so loved, - only they continued to play in obscurity, for yet another hundred years; until, one day…..

I told my Virgo of a mother this story – because, naturally, I was desperate to secure her approval, and prove to her that there is indeed a place, and a place of honor, for me in this world.

Her response:
“Where’s your guitar?”

Typical Virgo response. My heart, which had just then been floating on a cushion of (hot?) air, sank at once into the heavy mud of my guts. Okay, so I don’t play the guitar. My music is not the kind you can hear with the ears, or see with the eyes of the body. But, even if the whole world is deaf and blind, and I alone march to the offbeat beat of this brilliant drum (my heart), - I know that the gorgeous feelings it inspires within me can only find expression without; as rivers flow ever down into the sea.

There is a Christian saying, “Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and all these things shall be added unto you.” Your brother is seeking, but not in the world:

“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.”

And that’s all I have to say about that.


With Love and Squalor,
Heart-Shaped Cross


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"Judgment is the antithesis of understanding."
- Stephen Wallace Coltin

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