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BloodRedMoon
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posted August 19, 2004 03:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Namely - my husband the Cancer.

We don't know his exact birthtime, unfortunately. I would love more insight on him.

I don't know how to help him!!!

He was laid off two Wednesdays ago. Okay we've dealt with this 5 times in the past 5 years. The thing is - he's already working freelance. He's at work NOW. He has the place he's freelancing for and another place fighting over him. They both have about equal pros and cons. So he doesn't know which to choose.

So he is stressing himself out SO MUCH that he's nauseaus nearly all the time. He's throwing up in the mornings. He's always sick. Granted, he doesn't take care of himself anyway but the stress is really doing a number on him. THEN because he's stressed he stresses on 10 LITTLE things that can't be helped anyway and puts himself in MORE of a panic.

For instance, he just called and he's freaking out that the car registration is expiring this month. Well the payment's already been sent in but we just haven't gotten the sticker yet in the mail. So he's going on about how he's going to get pulled over and the car's going to be towed and impounded.

O_o

"What if this?!" "What if that?" "What if what if?" always worst case scenerios.

And then this kills me.

me: Did you EAT this morning?

him: I tried but I couldn't! The hot dog made me sick.

me: hot dog??

him: *defensive* Well I couldn't eat at McDonalds or something because all of their breakfasts just seemed gross today.

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Are all Cancers like this?! Any advice I try to give him doesn't seem to work. He won't eat better. He won't relax. I KNOW it's easier said than done to NOT worry so much but why do I bother to be supportive if I'm just throwing my support against a brick wall?! It ends up turning into a "you don't understand because you're a stay at home mom" thing which makes me angry and I have to try to swallow that.

Okay I don't want to VENT too much I'm just trying to show a little of what he's like. He's a 'glass is not only half empty but there's a crack and it's leaking' type. I want to help him but I don't know how without strangling him first.

Does anyone have any insight from an astrological point of view? What's my best bet in an approach?

If his birthdata helps... this is the closest I have.

July 16th, 1968 Brooklyn, New York.

If I put his birthtime in at noon his chart looks like this:

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Follow the moon - Follow the sun
Let's make a deal this time to stay with the plan
All that is needed is one leap of faith
Everything else will fall into place
Your life is a canvas -The colors are you

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LibraSparkle
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posted August 19, 2004 03:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My dad's a Cancer and is prone to depression from issues just like these.

I can't speak astrologically, because I'm just a novice.

Kava Kava is great for anxiety. You do have to be careful with it, as an overdose can cause liver issues similar to alcohol. So, don't let him become a Kavaholic

You can find it at health food stores in pill, tea, or drop form. I prefer the drops... but I think it's just personal preference.

I don't know where Gia's been? (Actually, I've been thinking about paging her in FFA) She's a super source of knowledge as far as dietary and herb issues. (But I'm sure you already know that)

There's a chain up here called Wild Oats. They're sorta like a natural super store. They have a naturopath on staff during normal business hours. I'm sure you have a plethora of these places where you're at. Drag his booty in there and talk to them. Talk to 'em about your teeth grinding too. It could be that you guys are feeding off of each other's anxiety.

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BloodRedMoon
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posted August 19, 2004 04:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know I'm definately feeding off of his anxiety. I pick up on his moods VERY easily.

I wouldn't mind giving him kavakava. I have to sit there and make sure he takes it. He won't take anything on his own. I'm always up for trying things The trick is getting HIM to do it.

It's sort of like

him: "Oh look my head's in the oven and it's burning..."

me: "Well take it out of the oven then"

him: ".... you don't understand!"

me: *pulls him out of oven and pours cool water on his head*

him: "But now I'm wet and cold!"

me: *pulls own hair out*

lol

OR...

me: Wow! Look we won $5,000 in the lottery!

him: Oh great. Just our luck that we didn't win a million!

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Kat
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posted August 19, 2004 06:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,
At a quick glance, his sun,venus and mars are all in the 10th house of public image, recognition, career... so having 5 jobs in 5 years would create alot of havoc in his life. His moon - emotions is squared/not well aspected to his sun and saturn which is in his house of partnerships and relationships which is in Aries. Moon in Aries and he's a Cancer - what hell!Aries is blunt, harsh, independent - take charged minded (which is probably why he's freelancing)My guess is the reason he is out of work/changing jobs is his emotions blow up and he's having difficulty with working with people. His sun may also be restricted with Saturn being squared.

Does he do artwork? graphic design?

To answer your question - No not all Cancerians are like this. Yes, we are prone to depression but not the extremely harshness that many at this site seem to believe. Someone complains about Cancer and then shows a chart with Aries poorly aspected.In my opinion his several squares to Aries are what's to blame. Emotionally he's an Aries, but he sounds as if he hasn't tapped into the positive nature of Aries.

You cannot do anything about his behavior. That's just the reality of things. The only behavior you can control is your own. When you choose to respond to him by also being sarcastic your just continue the life your living. I'd suggest getting a book by Sam Horn called Tongue Fu. It's about improving your communication skills with difficult people. ...and remember when you play into the drama that he's started you also become a difficult person. If you want change, start with yourself and resolve to make a difference.

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BloodRedMoon
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posted August 19, 2004 07:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do try I am an Aries and I do have a temper but our communication has gotten WORLDS better. I try to phrase things in a non-accusing manner. It does get frustrating, though, when I try to hard to be understanding and to do things to make him feel better and it just seems like I'm met with "You can't understand" or "Everything is harder for me than it could ever be for you". It's sort of belittling. Frustration...

It's not even necessarily that I want to make drastic change in him or something. I'd like to be able to help in some way. He's making himself ill and that affects the whole family even if I ignore the emotions I pick up from him. It's like I can feel his stress as soon as he walks through the door.

He is a graphic artist for a living. he's very very good at what he does. Actually another job called him today for a 2nd interview so that's another place that's interested. I hope that doesn't freak him out more!

ahhh he has so much going for him! I wish he could focus on that instead of the negative things that really can't be helped in life.

My brother is a Cancer and he's GREAT but I don't have a romantic relationship with him, obviously! My father is a Cancer and he's insane and very dark. So that's really the only basis for comparison I have for Cancers. Didn't mean to insult all of them

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sthenri
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posted August 19, 2004 07:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not judging by house, I would say he is a workaholic and those are classic signs.

Venus in Leo, Mars in Cancer, Moon and Saturn conjunct in Aries, Uranus in Virgo. He likes to worrry! It's his job. Venus in Leo is ambitious and anxious too. Some therapy would help him unwind because he needs to probe the deeper issue of his work behavior and how that affects him. No amount of prodding or relaxation will help. Mercury in Cancer is also prone to brooding, and worrying.

Make sure you both get out enough, Mercury in Cancer needs to relate to others on a daily basis.

The environment has to be nurturing, and that means different places, go out, get a variety, force him if need be. Go to a retreat in the country, where they do everything for you. Yoga centres have info on inexpensive trips.

But I know water signs can be very anxious, my mother a Scorpio called me last week to tell me she is throwing up blood,
now she's not,
now she is...
like the roller coaster?

Natasha
Taurus

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mermaidmaenad
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posted August 19, 2004 08:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i am a crabgirl and all i can say is STURN SATURN SATURN!
we saturn knocking the beejeezzus out of us right now..OUCH!! i will look at the chart you put on the forum and see what i can find...

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mermaidmaenad
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posted August 19, 2004 08:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
again..i just eyeballed his chart. ohmigawd! life bites for him right now. do you see how trans saturn squares his natal saturn, his natal moon, conjuncts his sun, kicks off his natal sun/saturn aspects.....
OHMIGAWD!!! OUCH!!!!!!!!!!! i'm surprised he isnt in bellevue at this point. it is very depressive time for him. very.

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LibraSparkle
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posted August 20, 2004 04:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How are things today?

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BloodRedMoon
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posted August 20, 2004 01:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sthenri ~
Thank you I'll try to get him out a little more. I do try to get him to go out with his friends. Sometimes I almost have to push him out the door - but I know after he does that he's usuall a little better and he does have a good time.

Luckily, he has a rock concert to go to tomorrow. Maybe that'll help him release some steam.


mermaidmaenad~
Thank you for looking! What is Saturn doing right now and when does it stop?! lol! I just want it to ease up a bit. Poor Vin needs a break from being so moody (so do I!). Well maybe when his job goes steady and I'm back from Germany he'll feel more at ease.

LibraSparkle ~
Don't know. He left for his temp job before I woke up. I almost slept on the couch last night because he upset me with something stupid he always does but I didn't and I tried to just be understanding and snuggle him and stuff.

damn I need some chocolate!

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LibraSparkle
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posted August 20, 2004 02:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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BloodRedMoon
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posted August 20, 2004 04:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
that face is PERRRFECT! Unfortunately I have no chocolate! I'll have to chew gum

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Kat
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posted August 21, 2004 02:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow ten points for me for getting the graphic designer profession correct. Long ago I had a thread on my noticing that visual artists tend to have a few planets in Aries. Not too many - just a one or so. I guess a little fire under the water is good for the passions. With me it's my MC and Jupiter, others have an Aries moon, etc. I've also notice many Sag with Pisces moon that are incredibly good artists. some even have some Virgo to help with the work ethic.
I knew he'd be really good at what he does!and he wil get recognition for it. Perhaps if he has any really great designs he could submit them to some of the trade magazines competitions like Print, Communication Arts, etc. He might also get involved with art (graphics) in the community in some way. Expand his scope a bit.

Yes this is a tough time for us Cancerians with Saturn on the scene. On Tuesday I'm going to the doctor and requesting I'm put on antidepressants which is difficult since I haven't been on them since 1997 and thought I'd never need them again. He's going through a tough time that will last for almost a couple of years.

The suggestion of getting him together with friends is great since he has positive stuff going on in the 11th house or even going to a comedy club.

Now that I know your an Aries everything makes better sence. If your well aspected you could be a good example for him to follow - be upbeat and refuse to get into pouting dramas.

Take Care

Love that candy bar libraSparkle

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BloodRedMoon
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posted August 21, 2004 04:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much, Kat!!

WOW I didn't know you got the graphic artist thing from his chart or I would have been mightily impressed earlier! I thought maybe I mentioned it somewhere and you remembered. That is REALLY cool!

Yeah he is really good at it. I suppose that's why he has a few places interested right now. Thankfully the economy seems better than it did last year when we were in this situation. In the past he's done work for Pepsi, Visa, IBM, Universal, HBO, M&M's... etc. I think this week he's working on Acura's website.

I'll try my best to be upbeat for him! Usually it's not a huge problem for me to be that way because it comes naturally but I do have my down days (like when I originally posted this thread) and then it seems like I don't make a difference.

Don't feel badly about anti-depressants! Some of the sweetest, kindest and most wonderful people I know take medicine of some kind to help them out.

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posted August 22, 2004 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BRM
Poor hubby, hes got saturn transiting the 10th house of career. This area is being tested right now. Saturn right now is 22 degrees Cancer conjuncting his Sun. Cancer reacts emotionally to stress, hes internalizing it thats why hes getting nauseaus and sick. Thats typical for Cancers, thier stomachs, they're also prone to ulcers.

Negativity and stressing over the little things (like the car tags) is also a Cancer trait. They usually don't stop untill your so down in the dumps with them then they're better(and your hopelessly depressed) Depression is not an easy thing for Aries to deal with because it goes against your grain. Cancer on the other hand is at home with it.

At home what Cancer wants is for Mommy to make it all better, understand his hurts, make him something special, spoil him. They'll still complain but feel much better.

Where ever Saturn transits it tests and at the top of his chart his whole Professional reputation is at stake. This is a very karmic period, a lot of what defines him is happening right now.

Will it work out? Yes Jupiter is going into Libra the 26th of September. Libras will rule. Opportunity will soon be presenting itself.

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Kat
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posted August 23, 2004 06:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I must admit the word "freelance" is generally used mostly for creative people, writers, artist, etc. so that clued me on. But his chart is pretty telltale of being a graphic artist with the Aries and 10th house activities. I know alot of artists and creative types and his chart looks similar.

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astro junkie
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posted August 24, 2004 07:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ARGH!!!!!!!!

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BloodRedMoon
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posted August 25, 2004 03:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lalalinda ~ Thank you so much for your input It all helps. If I can understand him a little better it keeps me from being quite so impatient.

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