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LibraSparkle
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posted August 21, 2004 11:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I cut this out of a very long channeling. To read the whole thing (The Venus Transit Gift)go to:
http://www.kryon.com/k_chanelshastaA04.html


Let's start with magnetism and gravity. These are the two little-understood forces on the earth that are profoundly interdimensional. They're only understood by science within the context of what's observed and then built around the observations. Almost everything science does with magnetism and gravity is simply invention around a known force. A true understanding of them would allow the forces to be manipulated and controlled. Nothing like that has ever happened with either, and it won't until "mathematical interdimensional engines" are conceived and built.

Let me tell you something that I've never stated before. These two forces exist as partners; they must exist together and are a part of each other. No one has really defined gravity. It's very difficult because it's interdimensional. You would have to understand the time-scape [the time posturing that gravity depends on] to fully understand what gravity is. Gravity is the response to matter in a time frame. That's all it is. It has less to do with matter and more to do with time than you realize. Magnetism is its partner, and both are a part of the pieces of a larger picture that is interdimensional, but a staple of the Universe's existence.

Let's discuss astronomy and astrology just for a moment, for they have a physical effect upon your consciousness, and are not some mysterious mythological forces only understandable by certain individuals wearing crystals and using a lot of candles [Kryon humor]. The sun is the fulcrum of the solar system. Solar systems are the building blocks of galaxies. Galaxies are the building blocks of a Universe system. For earth, the solar system is the closest magnetic and gravitational force that affects it. For many years we've tried to explain how the magnetic grid of the planet "talks" to your DNA. Now even your science admits that Human cellular structure responds to magnetic messages. Why stop there? Let me tell you how astrology works, for it's the same principle.

Astrology Explained

If you were the sun and you could pretend for a moment that you have these planetary children that go around you every single time they orbit - every moment of the day - every position they're in, they pull upon you. That's gravity. These children are demanding, and they affect you with their pulling. Like a real set of children, they may even affect your personality as they pull and pull and pull.

Now here's what we haven't discussed with anyone, for it's an interdimensional aspect that's difficult to describe: Your sun carries an attribute that I'll call gravitational and magnetic patterning. Think of it as the energy of the "planetary children" pulling on the parent sun. As the planets pull upon this fulcrum [the sun], it patterns itself interdimensionally through gravity and magnetism. Every moment of its existence, the sun has a different interdimensional patterning based upon what the planets present to it in the form of gravitational force. Retrogrades present an entire different pattern when they're not present. The sun even responds to those small objects that you don't even call planets, some of which you haven't even catalogued. It's very complex, but very real. It's physics, and there's no mythology around it or candles either [Kryon smile].

Right now, as is normal, the sun is being pushed and pulled upon by the bodies around it [planets], and is being patterned in a way that's interdimensional. It's a gravity/magnetic patterning. This pattern is then broadcast by what you know as the solar wind, an energy that's naturally blasted out from the sun to all of the planets and beyond. This solar wind is what you can see in the aurora borealis as it literally meets the magnetic field of the earth and delivers energy to this grid of the planet through a process called inductance. Not so invisible, you say? Go take a look. Think of it, if you wish, as a broadcast. The magnetic and gravitational patterning of the sun is a "message" that's broadcast by the solar wind to the magnetic grid. Where do you think this message goes?

It has been the Kryon teaching for over 15 years that the magnetics of this planet are interdimensional forces, and they affect Human DNA. This is the connection between the magnetic master and your reality. So get a picture of how all of this works: Your solar system moving around your sun creates a gravitational and magnetic pattern that is then broadcast to the earth. It's delivered and "seen" by your magnetic grid, and then right to your DNA. This is astrology. It's the oldest science on the planet, and it's based on high concepts that aren't even understood by modern science.

There are still those who'd say, "Well, that's a nice explanation, Kryon, but you know, I don't believe it. It's still invisible. Planetary mechanics affecting Human consciousness is still a stretch of logic." All right, then let me give you something that's invisible, yet profoundly "seeable" in your reality. If you're one who doubts that such a thing could be, then let us talk about the gravity and the magnetism that is the closest to you that you call your moon. Let's put this in your reality for a moment, doubter. Don't look at a metaphysical magazine - don't go to a channelling. Instead, for positive proof of the effect of magnetism and gravity upon your own cellular structure and your consciousness, go to the emergency room of any hospital and ask them about the full moon. Go to your police stations and ask them about the full-moon effect on society. Neither of these institutions are biased in astrology, yet they'll tell you that they put extra staff on for a full moon! It doesn't make sense, does it? Go ahead and ask them: "You mean the effect of a planetary object around the earth creates a difference in Human behavior?" The answer is yes. They may not believe in astrology, but they'll hire extra help when the moon is full. How is this for proof that something is happening?!

You see, it's very real! Gravity and magnetics, even from the moon around this planet, affects you. That's also why the moon must be taken into consideration in the whole astrological scheme. It's a direct player in changing the energy that's also given by the sun.

Astrology is not a life-controlling aspect. It's a posturing aspect. That's much different. When you sit on a couch, it postures your weight and then folds itself around you. When you sit on it, you might say that you and the couch are together in cooperation for those moments of sitting. By agreement, you trust the couch. By agreement, it supports your weight. That's posturing. It's not controlling, for you may leave the couch anytime you wish. You may also readjust your position or sit on another couch. Planetary alignments are the same. They aren't controlling, but personal energy posturing. Astrology is this way. It provides a beginning posturing to your life, and it creates different kinds of Human behavior. Why should that be? We've said this before: What kind of a test would it be if you were all alike? You're not, if you noticed. Fifteen years ago in a small white book, we also told you that you have the ability and the right to change how the planets affect you. Do you remember? Are you willing to start connecting these teachings and seeing the big picture?

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astro junkie
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posted August 22, 2004 12:12 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My favorite sentence:::

"... It's delivered and "seen" by your magnetic grid, and then right to your DNA. This is astrology ..."

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LibraSparkle
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posted August 22, 2004 12:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah. Pretty much sums it up right there.

The rest of it's really good too.

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astro junkie
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posted August 22, 2004 12:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's absolutely true. One could almost say the Galactic Center is the God part of our subliminal subconsious, and the Sun is the God part of our mechanics. Ultimately, we are androgenous beings, some more male, some more female.

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Isis
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posted August 22, 2004 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awesome explination!

When trying to justify astrology, at least how I think astrology works on a physical level, esp. to those who poo-poo it, I have for years used a gravity/magnetism example, but of course I'm not a physicist...and so not usually taken seriously...

Whenever I think of science and astrology, for some reason I think of my college Astronomy teacher, who was quite venemous when bringing up Astrology, which he did on the first day of class and repeatedly thereafter

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LibraSparkle
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posted August 22, 2004 01:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Must have been frustrating to deal with on a long term basis.

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Alarik
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posted August 22, 2004 01:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No...

People, struggling to find a 'scientific' way to make astrology 'legit', have grasped at straws to come up with this. It just doesn't work.

The doctor who pulled you out of the womb, for example, has a much greater magnetic/gravitational effect on you at birth than the planets would due to his proximity. His size, wieght, other people in the room, the way the furniture is arranged in the room....all of it would have a much larger effect on you than the positions of the planets if gravity/magnetism were truly an issue.

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LibraSparkle
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posted August 22, 2004 02:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How so?

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Alarik
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posted August 22, 2004 02:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gravity isn't affected only by mass, but also by distance. It's affected exponentially by distance, actually. So when you double the distance between two objects, the gravitational pull is not halved but actually quartered. When you quadruple the distance, the force decreases to 1/16. etc...

The planets are a lot bigger than the doctor, or the furniture, or your mother or the nurses...yeah. lol...but they're also much much MUCH further away. I can't be arsed to do the exact math, but if you want to, here's the formula:

http://www.earth.ox.ac.uk/~tony/watts/formula1+2.html

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mermaidmaenad
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posted August 22, 2004 12:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my personal astrologer has been telling me for years that astrology is based on quantum mechanics.

as for the dr.pulling me out at birth..wouldnt we have to take a look at his/her natalplanets to see the
"pull" he/she has on us?

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mermaidmaenad
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posted August 22, 2004 12:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
also, it has beenmy understanding that the planets are actually symbols, representations of the energy going on in, around, above and about us...for example, a uranus trasit..IT ISNT URANUS THE PLANET, it is the energy that uranus the planet represents that is hitting us on the head in a uranus transit.it isnt just GRAVITY, it's all kinds of energy we are dealing with in astrology.
another example:
any crab can tell you right now that saturn has just kicked the bejeezus out of us....it is that energy that saturn represents; the toil, the hardship, and the rewards for a job well done that seem to be affecting most of us cancerians right now.

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astro junkie
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posted August 22, 2004 01:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's always a thread of truth in myth. And as for the physics side of this, what are the currently known 9 dimensions made of? I think we all know the first 4 - maybe 5th & 6th for some. Unless, I'm confusing that with geometry.

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Isis
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posted August 22, 2004 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My personal belief is that, just because you can't quantify it, can't measure it atm, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Just because our science hasn't gotten to the point of being able to qualify and quantify the details doesn't invalidate it. In 1600 the concept of magnetism would have gotten you laughed out of all the academic institutions of the day. There was no way to "prove" it.

I don't take much in my life on faith, not much at all, but I've seen through experience that Astrology works, so my logic follows that there must be a scientific explination for what actually is going on. We're just nowhere near being able to "prove" it. Not to mention, Astrology has been relegated to the status of metaphysics, a moniker which in general seems to indicate to the scientific community, "BS Mumbo Jumbo", therefore no serious scientific study is applied to it whatsoever because of that.

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LibraSparkle
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posted August 22, 2004 02:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well said, Isis

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mermaidmaenad
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posted August 22, 2004 07:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'll tell ya, with the way i've seen astrology work, to the point in which things i've predicted have come thru..it's gotta be based on something concrete. doesnt matter, tho..the more i observe, the more i see it ring true.

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26taurus
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posted August 22, 2004 08:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
VERY good article, Sparkle!

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libraman
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posted August 23, 2004 12:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello folks, just want to add something here, as a reply to Alarik,
The effects of the planets CAN be seen: when there is a sun-moon eclipse, the sea and rivers level gets higher, right? this used to cause floods and destroy houses. The cause of this is well known to be the sun, the moon and earth form a straight line (both sun and moon on the same side), so both the energies of the sun and the moon (gravities) are summed to attract everything on the earth's surface, and it can be clearly seen as the water gets higher as if it is pulled by the sky. The second day to the eclipse, the water level starts to lower down to reach is minimum when the the sun is on one side of the earth, and the moon is on the other side (opposites to the earth).
So if some distant planet has such a great effect on the "sea" then why not on people?? after all %80 of our body is "water", the rest bones and flesh. Water exists in every human cell.
Another thing, when it comes to gravity, it can also be "seen" by looking at a calm lake: what do you see? dirts that are floating the water surface are "always" attracted to each other, to form a big dirty area of the lake. It's their own gravity that attaches them together.

Libraman

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SunChild
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posted August 23, 2004 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Like that article, thanks librasparkle

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Alarik
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posted August 24, 2004 04:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obviously the gravity of the celestial bodies reaches us. That wasn't my point.

Did you read my post? My point was that although the planets do have a gravitational/magnetic effect, they are not the only effect, or even the strongest one. If it is gravity that is the cause, then the size, weight, and exact position of the doctors nad nurses in your delivery room would have as great an effect or more as most of your astrological positions...the sun and the moon *might* overwhelm even objects of that proximity, but the smaller/outer planets certainly would not.

Oh, btw, particles (as in your dirt-cluster example) are not attracted to each other primarily by gravity, but by other attractive/bonding molecular forces (for example: hydrogen bonds hold water together, not gravity), or, in larger objects like hairs/lint/etc, by static electricity or even simple entanglement. The effect of earth's gravity when you are near the earth's surface GREATLY overwhelms the gravitational force between any two objects you might encounter on it, to the point where the force is, for all intents and purposes, insiginficant (except, of course, as I said before, when compared to the also-almost-insignifcant gravitational effects of *most* heavenly bodies). Just a nit-picky thing.

To Isis: that's been my position from the beginning. Just because it can't be proven doesn't mean it isn't true, but what I will do is reject unacceptable attempts at proof.

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astro junkie
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posted August 24, 2004 04:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So how does it relate to myth?

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