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Topic: KARMA
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aqua Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Oct 2009
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posted August 27, 2004 01:10 AM
what will be the karma of a judge??? like if he has sentenced someone to death will it add to his karma cycle????IP: Logged |
Archer unregistered
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posted August 27, 2004 01:37 AM
karma means action and dhrama means religion. these two are hindi words. karma of a judge is to obey his dharma (oath) and do the hearing irrespctive of what he feels is right or wrong. that way giving a death sentcnce to an innocent is not a sin but a matter of fate.------------------ Neerav IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted August 27, 2004 01:51 AM
Nobody has any right to sit in judgment over another. "Man is the measure of all things"; Including himself! We are all responsible to our own consciences. To punish someone whose own conscience has already convicted them is superfluous. And to punish someone who is innocent in their own eyes is absurd.Judgment is the antithesis of understanding. Also, Archer,
How can you say that a man is not morally and ethically responsible for whatever it is he does for a living? To judge "irrespective of right and wrong" is practically the standard definition of sin, last time I checked. Sincerely, H.S.C. IP: Logged |
26taurus unregistered
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posted August 27, 2004 02:04 AM
Right on, Steve! IP: Logged |
pixelpixie Newflake Posts: 8 From: ON Canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 27, 2004 02:47 AM
Right on, times two.
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lalalinda Moderator Posts: 1120 From: nevada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 27, 2004 05:37 AM
Archer, I am so proud of you, you are right (in my opinion)Heart Shaped Cross, You are right too, but in a perfect world. Unfortunatly we don't live in a perfect world. Have you ever noticed that with an execution there will be 3 people each doing one part, so that no one person does it all? Same as with a firing squad, there will be one (unknown) person with blanks and the rest with real bullits. With familys or communities there has to be guidelines, rules or laws or there will be Kaos. A good judge (we're careful when selecting) will be impartial and get to the truth. (a sage) This is an honorable profession, and somebody has to do it. Personally I do not believe in capitol punishment but without it where would we be? As far as conscience goes some people don't have one and they are usually the ones standing before the judge. So what do we do? Protect the innocent or expect the lawbreakers to depend on thier conscience to guide them?
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paras unregistered
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posted August 27, 2004 06:57 AM
Understanding is the judgement of antithesis.------------------ Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever. --Mahatma Ghandi IP: Logged |
WeirdPeter unregistered
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posted August 27, 2004 07:11 AM
Actually Karma isn't some punishment system made by some invisible god it's a biological process made by diffrent kinds of star influnce that makes you act in some way that makes your life happen in diffrent kinds of ways. Karma is actually modifiable to the person in question, it's all an action process and what causes action? Well, thought--> Reaction--> Action--> Happeninghope it helped you IP: Logged |
astro junkie unregistered
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posted August 27, 2004 09:54 AM
"Instant Karma"(John Lennon) Instant Karma's gonna get you Gonna knock you right on the head You better get yourself together Pretty soon you're gonna be dead What in the world you thinking of Laughing in the face of love What on earth you tryin' to do It's up to you, yeah you Instant Karma's gonna get you Gonna look you right in the face Better get yourself together darlin' Join the human race How in the world you gonna see Laughin' at fools like me Who in the hell d'you think you are A super star Well, right you are Well we all shine on Like the moon and the stars and the sun Well we all shine on Ev'ryone come on Instant Karma's gonna get you Gonna knock you off your feet Better recognize your brothers Ev'ryone you meet Why in the world are we here Surely not to live in pain and fear Why on earth are you there When you're ev'rywhere Come and get your share Well we all shine on Like the moon and the stars and the sun Yeah we all shine on Come on and on and on on on Yeah yeah, alright, uh huh, ah Well we all shine on Like the moon and the stars and the sun Yeah we all shine on On and on and on on and on Well we all shine on Like the moon and the stars and the sun Well we all shine on Like the moon and the stars and the sun Well we all shine on Like the moon and the stars and the sun Yeah we all shine on Like the moon and the stars and the sun" IP: Logged |
Archer unregistered
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posted August 27, 2004 10:19 AM
thanks lalalinda :-)------------------ Neerav IP: Logged |
aqua Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Oct 2009
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posted August 27, 2004 09:11 PM
but if the judge's decision is right then will he add a positive karma or a negative one.as humans are not the one who judge.IP: Logged |
Archer unregistered
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posted August 27, 2004 11:28 PM
u r right. humans are not to judge. but they don't. it is the system that judges. it is the system that take on the god like role. the written rules that judge. the judge's dharma (religion) is to take a decision as per his system's set of rules. it is aslo in his religion to question the systmes set of rules but if he cannot do that then it is not his fault. karma then would be to follow his choosen dharma and complete the hearing as per the set of rules.noone add's postive or negative karma to anything. i think the actually meaning of the words is slightly deviated because of obvious language difference. the karma and dharma thing was explained by lord krishna to the archer arjuna in a battlefield who had becomed depressed of the fact that he would be killing is own relatives in the battle. krishna says that it is arjuna's duty to kill his enemies. he says that once a person has used his greatest gift...the mind...to question the system, he has done his most important dharma. then if he doesnot find the answers is not his fault. then he should do as per the world has taught him. kill, if so be it. so it will be the judge's karma to first question the system right when he is studying it. and then go ahead with it if he finds no other alternative. and rest leave it on god... ------------------ Neerav IP: Logged |
astro junkie unregistered
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posted August 27, 2004 11:45 PM
Archer - if what you said is true, then we each would not have God inside of us, and we do.IP: Logged |
Archer unregistered
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posted August 28, 2004 04:09 AM
which part of what i said u have doubt in?------------------ Neerav IP: Logged |
aqua Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Oct 2009
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posted August 28, 2004 10:55 PM
i understood but killing is not good.is it??IP: Logged |
aqua Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Oct 2009
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posted August 28, 2004 10:57 PM
whether its for bad or good. we should forgive.IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle unregistered
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posted August 29, 2004 03:06 AM
My understanding of Karma is this...There is nothing derogatory about the "system". It's not about owing a debt so much. It's just how it is. It's just where you are on your path. What knowledge you've gained and what you haven't. What missions (if you will) you have accomplished and which you still need to work on... or elaborate on. I think forgivness is a completely selfish act.(Selfish is NOT a dirty word) It does not matter if the other person ever knows they have been forgiven. The act of forgiving affects the person doing the forgiving only... much as the act of hating affects the person doing the hating only. Personally, in this journey called life, I have had to learn this lesson the hard way... but really.. is there any other way to learn a lesson? That's what Karma is about. Learning. Evolving. Growing. Not punishing. Not getting even. IP: Logged |
Archer unregistered
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posted August 29, 2004 03:09 AM
i am always againts capital punishment.------------------ Neerav IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle unregistered
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posted August 29, 2004 03:28 AM
me tooIP: Logged |
astro junkie unregistered
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posted August 29, 2004 04:13 AM
me threeIP: Logged |
aqua Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Oct 2009
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posted August 29, 2004 07:54 AM
me five oops!!fourIP: Logged |
libraman unregistered
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posted August 29, 2004 08:32 AM
I think that punishment is hated, but necessary. Imaging a world without rules, without punishment! As long as evil exists, there should be a way to limit it, via punishment. Would you forgive someone who robbed you? again and again? and if you do, will you forgive someone who rapes your little child? It's a matter of which comes first, Justice or Forgiveness? Sentencing someone to jail will take away his freedom, yes, and it sounds a bad thing, but think about how many people who were thinking about crime had to think again after seeing someone who commited the same crime in prison. Not all of them will change their minds, but some will, and that means by punishing one person, we saved several others. That's how a society should be. Justice leads to safer society, and safer society leads to a better life for us and for the generations to come. So at the end I am on Lalalinda's side, I guess it's my Libran nature, hahaIP: Logged |
Archer unregistered
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posted August 29, 2004 08:50 AM
good going libraman. i think ur right. capital punishment is necessary. but many times it is used negatively by politicians and dictators to get rid of their enemies. example...the execuation of bhutto in pakistan by zia ul haq.------------------ Neerav IP: Logged |
libraman unregistered
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posted August 29, 2004 10:49 AM
thanks archer, No human is perfect, and thus no judgment made by a human is perfect. But until the world is totally clean of crime, punishment is the best acceptable solution and the most helpful in reducing crime. Until we can find a better and more effective way to limit crime, I think we should stick to punishment, with 1 goal in mind: not retaliation, but Justice, and absolute Justice. You are right about politicians using capitol punishment for other purpose than justice itself, but that doesn't mean we should give away punishment, it means we should improve the system so that it can be more just by requiring more evidence or whatever we find it helpful.IP: Logged |
Archer unregistered
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posted August 29, 2004 11:46 AM
ur right. the system is god afterall. whether in books or as psychological trends, the system is everything. refine the system of living life on both the material and the spiritual plane and blend it perfectly and the system becomes god. but science says no system is the ultimate. and there is no closed system. every system can exhange energy with the surronding. thus system cannot be brought under control. so it cannot be refinied completely either (no matter how hard the virgo tries!). so punishment like cpaital ones are necessary to bring end to certian crime trends in the society. i wish we could change the criminals psyche in the prison and make is a school for them (a harsh one) rather than amounting to the number of years he will spend for the crime.
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