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aqua
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posted August 27, 2004 01:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what will be the karma of a judge???
like if he has sentenced someone to death will it add to his karma cycle????

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posted August 27, 2004 01:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
karma means action and dhrama means religion. these two are hindi words. karma of a judge is to obey his dharma (oath) and do the hearing irrespctive of what he feels is right or wrong. that way giving a death sentcnce to an innocent is not a sin but a matter of fate.

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posted August 27, 2004 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nobody has any right to sit in judgment over another. "Man is the measure of all things"; Including himself! We are all responsible to our own consciences.
To punish someone whose own conscience has already convicted them is superfluous. And to punish someone who is innocent in their own eyes is absurd.

Judgment is the antithesis of understanding.


Also,
Archer,

How can you say that a man is not morally and ethically responsible for whatever it is he does for a living?
To judge "irrespective of right and wrong" is practically the standard definition of sin, last time I checked.

Sincerely,
H.S.C.

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26taurus
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posted August 27, 2004 02:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right on, Steve!

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pixelpixie
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posted August 27, 2004 02:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right on, times two.

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lalalinda
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posted August 27, 2004 05:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Archer,
I am so proud of you, you are right (in my opinion)

Heart Shaped Cross,
You are right too, but in a perfect world. Unfortunatly we don't live in a perfect world. Have you ever noticed that with an execution there will be 3 people each doing one part, so that no one person does it all? Same as with a firing squad, there will be one (unknown) person with blanks and the rest with real bullits.
With familys or communities there has to be guidelines, rules or laws or there will be Kaos.
A good judge (we're careful when selecting) will be impartial and get to the truth. (a sage) This is an honorable profession, and somebody has to do it.
Personally I do not believe in capitol punishment but without it where would we be?
As far as conscience goes some people don't have one and they are usually the ones standing before the judge. So what do we do? Protect the innocent or expect the lawbreakers to depend on thier conscience to guide them?

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paras
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posted August 27, 2004 06:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Understanding is the judgement of antithesis.

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Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever.
--Mahatma Ghandi

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posted August 27, 2004 07:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually Karma isn't some punishment system made by some invisible god it's a biological process made by diffrent kinds of star influnce that makes you act in some way that makes your life happen in diffrent kinds of ways. Karma is actually modifiable to the person in question, it's all an action process and what causes action? Well,
thought--> Reaction--> Action--> Happening

hope it helped you

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astro junkie
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posted August 27, 2004 09:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Instant Karma"

(John Lennon)

Instant Karma's gonna get you
Gonna knock you right on the head
You better get yourself together
Pretty soon you're gonna be dead
What in the world you thinking of
Laughing in the face of love
What on earth you tryin' to do
It's up to you, yeah you

Instant Karma's gonna get you
Gonna look you right in the face
Better get yourself together darlin'
Join the human race
How in the world you gonna see
Laughin' at fools like me
Who in the hell d'you think you are
A super star
Well, right you are

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Well we all shine on
Ev'ryone come on

Instant Karma's gonna get you
Gonna knock you off your feet
Better recognize your brothers
Ev'ryone you meet
Why in the world are we here
Surely not to live in pain and fear
Why on earth are you there
When you're ev'rywhere
Come and get your share

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Yeah we all shine on
Come on and on and on on on
Yeah yeah, alright, uh huh, ah

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Yeah we all shine on
On and on and on on and on

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Yeah we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun"

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Archer
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posted August 27, 2004 10:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks lalalinda :-)

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aqua
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posted August 27, 2004 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
but if the judge's decision is right then will he add a positive karma or a negative one.as humans are not the one who judge.

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Archer
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posted August 27, 2004 11:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
u r right. humans are not to judge. but they don't. it is the system that judges. it is the system that take on the god like role. the written rules that judge. the judge's dharma (religion) is to take a decision as per his system's set of rules. it is aslo in his religion to question the systmes set of rules but if he cannot do that then it is not his fault. karma then would be to follow his choosen dharma and complete the hearing as per the set of rules.

noone add's postive or negative karma to anything. i think the actually meaning of the words is slightly deviated because of obvious language difference.

the karma and dharma thing was explained by lord krishna to the archer arjuna in a battlefield who had becomed depressed of the fact that he would be killing is own relatives in the battle.

krishna says that it is arjuna's duty to kill his enemies. he says that once a person has used his greatest gift...the mind...to question the system, he has done his most important dharma. then if he doesnot find the answers is not his fault. then he should do as per the world has taught him. kill, if so be it.

so it will be the judge's karma to first question the system right when he is studying it. and then go ahead with it if he finds no other alternative.

and rest leave it on god...

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posted August 27, 2004 11:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Archer - if what you said is true, then we each would not have God inside of us, and we do.

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Archer
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posted August 28, 2004 04:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
which part of what i said u have doubt in?

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aqua
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posted August 28, 2004 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i understood but killing is not good.is it??

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aqua
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posted August 28, 2004 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
whether its for bad or good. we should forgive.

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LibraSparkle
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posted August 29, 2004 03:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My understanding of Karma is this...

There is nothing derogatory about the "system". It's not about owing a debt so much. It's just how it is. It's just where you are on your path. What knowledge you've gained and what you haven't. What missions (if you will) you have accomplished and which you still need to work on... or elaborate on.

I think forgivness is a completely selfish act.(Selfish is NOT a dirty word) It does not matter if the other person ever knows they have been forgiven. The act of forgiving affects the person doing the forgiving only... much as the act of hating affects the person doing the hating only.

Personally, in this journey called life, I have had to learn this lesson the hard way... but really.. is there any other way to learn a lesson?

That's what Karma is about. Learning. Evolving. Growing. Not punishing. Not getting even.

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Archer
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posted August 29, 2004 03:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i am always againts capital punishment.

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LibraSparkle
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posted August 29, 2004 03:28 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
me too

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posted August 29, 2004 04:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
me three

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aqua
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posted August 29, 2004 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
me five oops!!four

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posted August 29, 2004 08:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that punishment is hated, but necessary. Imaging a world without rules, without punishment! As long as evil exists, there should be a way to limit it, via punishment.
Would you forgive someone who robbed you? again and again? and if you do, will you forgive someone who rapes your little child?
It's a matter of which comes first, Justice or Forgiveness?
Sentencing someone to jail will take away his freedom, yes, and it sounds a bad thing, but think about how many people who were thinking about crime had to think again after seeing someone who commited the same crime in prison. Not all of them will change their minds, but some will, and that means by punishing one person, we saved several others. That's how a society should be.
Justice leads to safer society, and safer society leads to a better life for us and for the generations to come.
So at the end I am on Lalalinda's side, I guess it's my Libran nature, haha

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Archer
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posted August 29, 2004 08:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
good going libraman. i think ur right. capital punishment is necessary. but many times it is used negatively by politicians and dictators to get rid of their enemies. example...the execuation of bhutto in pakistan by zia ul haq.

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posted August 29, 2004 10:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks archer,
No human is perfect, and thus no judgment made by a human is perfect. But until the world is totally clean of crime, punishment is the best acceptable solution and the most helpful in reducing crime. Until we can find a better and more effective way to limit crime, I think we should stick to punishment, with 1 goal in mind: not retaliation, but Justice, and absolute Justice.
You are right about politicians using capitol punishment for other purpose than justice itself, but that doesn't mean we should give away punishment, it means we should improve the system so that it can be more just by requiring more evidence or whatever we find it helpful.

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posted August 29, 2004 11:46 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ur right. the system is god afterall. whether in books or as psychological trends, the system is everything. refine the system of living life on both the material and the spiritual plane and blend it perfectly and the system becomes god.

but science says no system is the ultimate. and there is no closed system. every system can exhange energy with the surronding. thus system cannot be brought under control. so it cannot be refinied completely either (no matter how hard the virgo tries!). so punishment like cpaital ones are necessary to bring end to certian crime trends in the society.

i wish we could change the criminals psyche in the prison and make is a school for them (a harsh one) rather than amounting to the number of years he will spend for the crime.

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