posted September 07, 2004 10:02 PM              

I didn't understand this part -

"... I might speak a lot and say very blunt things and seem like a seeking wanderlust but really I'm just a sensual homebody! ..."

posted September 08, 2004 12:44 AM              

also different astrological systems have different real you definitions. like moon is the main in indian astrology.

so forget about the real you or the mask that u have. just take ur ascendant and ur sun as two of the more dominating energies of ur chart with wich u identify easily.

science says there are other 'you' too. like the you in ur dreams. that can be ur neptune energy. and so on...

posted September 08, 2004 02:15 AM            

Then again, I have a friend who is Pisces/Virgo Asc, and he gives in so much to who his Asc is that his Pisces Sun side is totally squelched and frustrated.

I thought the official word is that the Asc is that part of you that you show to the world. Ultimately Archer is right and the whole chart should be considered...do you have a lot of planets in Taurus, or planets in the second house? Other signs can be sensual homebodies too...if your sign had watery influences it could add to some of the Taurean inclinations.

But I'm pretty amateur at this, so...listen to me at your own risk

posted September 08, 2004 04:30 AM              

I think most astrologers would agree on the fact that the sun moon and ascendent together are the strongest influences in a chart usually. In my opinion it depends on the modality and element of the sun and moon and maybe the rest of the chart when trying to work out how infuential your ascendant is.

Like for instance you being a Sagittarius with a Virgo moon..their both mutable so their more adaptable and versatile...more likely to embrace the tarus ascendent which is a fixed sign. Fixed signs are usually stuborn and they have their own way, whereas mutables adapt. So maybe ur mutable Sun kinda adapted more to your ascendant.

But in a different situation where the person would be a taurus with a sagitarius or gemini ascendant, I dont think the ascendant would have as much of an impact on the personality, because having the sun in tarus...its nature would be to fixated in its ways to lean towards mutable Sagittarian or Geminian qualities...and even if it did...it would turn mutable to a much lesser extent than a Mutable Sun would turn fixed if the situation was reversed...

posted September 08, 2004 07:16 AM              

I feel the Ascendant drags me down a bit in terms of my ideals, as it is my body that needs to be nourished. Since mine is emotional, I get tired of having to feed it, while my Taurus sun wants security. If I give in to it, then I am temporarily happy, but I have to find a balance.

Usually Air sign friends help with this.

Balance is the key,

I know a Taurus ascendant, Sag sun, and she is not happy with her Taurus side, because then she eats, drinks, has too many love affairs, and has to deal with the reality later. On the other hand she makes a living through her Taurus side and seems happier when she feeds both. If she just feeds her Sag side she is very insecure.

I think Sag can be helped in terms of direction with a fixed ascendant, but in her case she is too fixed and stubborn, to be happy with herself.

Her other placements are
Scorpio Mercury, Cap Venus, Sag Moon, she doesn't have much air, or earth.

I have some trouble connecting to the Scorpio side of me as I only have Neptune in Scorpio, and a Cancer moon, but I can integrate the Sag okay with lots of fire planets.

posted September 08, 2004 10:43 AM            

This is an excerpt from Esoteric Astrology by Alan Leo.

THE RELATION OF THE ASCENDANT TO THE POLARITY

The polarities of the luminaries do not by any means exhaust the whole subject of polarisation; for manifestation is by ternaries, so that when there are two extremes there is always a mean between them to supply the third factor and complete the triangle. We have to take into account not only the relation of the Sun to the Moon but that of both these to the Ascendant.
Of these three we seem justified in concluding that the Sun signifies the Individuality, or, in another sense, so much of this as is expressed within the limits of the Personality. The amount of this and the extent of its influence apparently varies considerably in different cases. In the physical man the Sun governs the vital energies and has much significance in connection with the father and the positive side of the nature generally.
The Moon signifies the Personality and gathers up all the planetary forces that are active therein. In the physical man it governs the physique, the matter rather than the force side of body, the material basis of life rather than life itself. It has relation with the mother and the negative, receptive, plastic side of the nature.
The Ascendant signifies the separate sense of Self in the child apart from its parents although in close relation with both. It may be more closely identified either with the Individuality or the Personality according to circumstances, or may vary and fluctuate. It may be more positive and vital or more negative and receptive according to the sign rising and the state of the horoscope.

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I dunno' if that helps anybody out but I found it useful in trying to understand the Ascendant.

posted October 18, 2004 07:03 PM              

I also resent my sun sign (virgo), as being criticised etc are aspects of a virgoan childhood too - looks like I got a double dose of it, lol. I've never been able to stand up to it and I wonder if that is becuase my being virgo means I absorb all the critisism and believe it too. Because I do! I'm very critical of myself, often to the point of depression. Plus, virgos arent known for being very rebellious.

The only thing I am fairly happy about is my Pisces moon, becuause I daydream a hell of a lot and I do have a very rich imagination which often does seem more real to me than real life. And I actually like it like that. I attribute all this to my Moon sign. If I didnt have this amazing escape, I think I would have not been able to cope when I was younger with all the restrictions I faced. I dont know how other teenagers cope in similar situations, probably run away or something. I used to dream about running away all the time, and having amazing, wonderful adventures, but I didnt cos I was so stupid-scared of my parents!!