posted October 04, 2004 12:52 AM            

Kind of a self-indulgent query here, but, no doubt, the universal implications are not far off....

I understand that the 5th rules self-expression... which would probably make it fairly pronounced, as houses go...

I have nothing in my 5th, and nothing in the sign which governs it (in my chart); Gemini. Gemini does, however, span three houses; 4th, 5th, 6th.... and I have a MERC/Mars Conjunction in Sagitarius (which also spans three houses), in the 10th...

The 5th is originally ruled by Leo, and I have a Jupiter in Leo, in the 7th... Also, a moon in the first (originally ruled by Aries), and a serious stellium in the 9th (originally Sag-ruled) - which, in my chart, is ruled by Libra, and begins with Pluto (ruler of my Sun/Venus/Uranus/MC)... So, a lot of action in the fire sign territories...

Would this account for what-appears-to-be the strong Gemini influence in my chart (in me), despite my having no planets in Gemini?

posted October 04, 2004 11:48 PM            

merciful1,
I'm definitely intuitive as all hell (I tend to appear far wiser and more intelligent than I believe I actually am), but this is suggested by a number of strong placements and aspects in my chart...
So its difficult to say just what the Gemini 5th contributes to this.

Good to know, though,
that my pride is not misplaced.

,
Isn't It Chironic
(aka Heart-Shaped Cross,
aka Jonah In The Whale,
aka Stephen,
aka Steve,
aka Me)

posted October 04, 2004 11:55 PM              

Maybe there is a regal quality to someone with a 5th House Sun, in a sense, putting a lifetime of Saturn's sterness in a sense, making others always expect more from you. When you feel you haven't lived up to them, you feel bad. But you are not quite privy to the higher self they see in you, so you're still wondering what happened.

posted October 05, 2004 06:54 PM              

The strong 5th makes you want to give and give, so everyone has a part of you. It's "never enough" is something I hear from people with a lot in the 5th. What they mean is giving is never a question, they love to feel appreciated. If the 9th is about the meaning of life, the 5th talks about the search for love and happiness. Since it's a search, that's idealistic. Leos are generally the same about Love, as Saggies are about philosophy, they need to find the meaning of life through those they love. That's my experience.

There is the risk of feeling burned out sometimes, though because there is no security or backup defense. The 5th is very much about idealism.
My little brother has a stellium in the 5th, he is sometimes burned out by all the attention he puts out and gets back from the world. I don't think he knows he doesn't need to do that all the time.

What rules your 5th is very important because it's a powerhouse of energy and emotion.
If your Sun is in the 5th marriage is a priority.
Yes Gloria, I know you will argue this one!
Mine is ruled by Taurus and Aries which rule my Sun and Venus so it's hard to tell how it affects me. I feel the 5th very strongly in my work.

posted October 07, 2004 05:12 AM              

In my experience fifth house has a lot of how we approach play (and self-expression and creativity is a part of that, and so is romance).

posted October 07, 2004 03:23 PM            

Well, Surprisingly enough, according to the equal house system, Taurus rules my 5th... I am inclined to object here rather forcefully, despite the fact that Taurus is on of the signs - if not THE sign - I know the least about. I't ruled by Venus, though, right, so, that might explain the romanticism you speak of, which is definitely characteristic of yours truly...
And I do over-indulge; my "play" consists largely of what-some-are-wont-to-call "experimentation... still, i relate much more to the Gemini influence. My Chiron is in Taurus, though (4th).
One interesting thing about the equal house chart, is, I've got my NN at the begining of the 9th.... this makes sense to me.

Anyway, gotta run.

peace, love, enantiodromia,
H.S.C.

Heart Shaped Cross- what would your chart look like with Equal House placements? There one sign rules one house so it might shed more insight.
In my experience fifth house has a lot of how we approach play (and self-expression and creativity is a part of that, and so is romance).

posted October 07, 2004 04:25 PM              

Without looking at your actual chart I can't really have proper insight, but other things which might account for a Geminian influence - an accent on the third house, and aspects to Mercury as well of course as would any personal planets in Gemini.

What do you see as the dominant Geminian traits in you?

Edited to Add: In my way of looking at it, although the empty houses in the chart are just as important and can offer a great deal of clues about a person/their life - the accent would be elsewhere.