posted November 14, 2004 01:19 AM              

for example i have known 2 leos and 3 aquarians with identity crisis.

posted November 14, 2004 01:43 AM              

Im thinking :

a.)people who are strongly ruled by their thoughts, or opinions, in accordance to:

b.) that same person having Mercury in the 12th house. That placement just absorbs from everyone, and can make it hard to distinguish one's thoughts from those who you converse with. So having Merc in the 12th house can be hard to know if your thoughts are your own.

posted November 14, 2004 03:28 AM              

My Merc is in the 6th house...

posted November 14, 2004 11:11 PM              

lol! thats right,

posted November 16, 2004 10:40 AM            

generally speaking, the transit of Saturn and its aspects to his natal position are times when one re-evaluates life....

transits or solar arcs to the asc could have a simillar effect. I know from experience that tUranus conj my Asc was VERY powerful in that respect....

a heavy transit to Asc or/and Asc ruler will do that to you - the degree of awareness and the actual manifestations ofthe 'crisis' depends on individual, probably.

posted November 18, 2004 02:37 AM              

Trying to get your midlive'S (plural) overwith before it's time does NOT work.

posted November 18, 2004 05:34 AM              

Firstly, I'm at the tails end of my Saturn return (well isn't this fun!) The conjunction is now at 9°37, so lets start geting THAT out of the way!

Saturn is also squaring my AC at the moment, as well as conjuncting the ruler of my AC, Venus (which happens to be exactly conj. the MC). Maybe that's why everything feels heavy and hard at the moment, especially at work, despite other really good aspects, like tJupiter trining the sun, and opposing nJupiter. Of course, it's also squaring my nSaturn, so that's a bugger.

Saturn is a singleton in my chart, the only water sign (it's in CANCER for g*dsake), and I have a natal Saturn square Mars/Jupiter. So I think I really feel Saturns punches when he gives it a go.

posted November 20, 2004 09:23 AM              

btw, i have sat in scorpio.

posted November 21, 2004 03:41 AM            

as a propencity, tendancy to go tru such self-searching and trasnformation periods, it would be some sort of Pluto and the 8th house connections... the transiting Pluto brings major stuff...

and the transit of Uranus bring unexpected events or turns things around... changes things.

BUT when it's about Uranus or Pluto we are talking about change or radical change (start-anew).

an identity crisis however is a time of self-analysis, self-exploration together with a feeling of dissatissfaction with self, life, etc. one becomes more or less AWARE of this inner unhappiness and actually considers it and its possible roots.

and then, out of a state of mental and emotional confusion, one emerges with a new purpose in mind...

when u're happy, and things go well, u seldom stop and wonder 'why' or evn 'what's going on'. u go with the flow... it's the hard times, difficulties, set-backs, restrictions u run up against that force u to ponder. that's why Saturn is in charge with 'fate/karma/life lessons/life purpose" etc...

the MC (as the cusp of the 10th house - Capricorn) is also the point of the highest personal awareness. the MC is actualised identity - the concrete form in which a specific identity chose to express itself.

don't take things at face value in astrology! BIG mistake. don't look for simple causal connections: if this than that, or this means that. we're dealing with SYMBOLS not the specific words someone chose to elaborate a bit at one time.

don't worry, archer! it's our own psychological make-up that will decide whether one will ever REALISE they're going tru a crisis... sure everyone will have to face their own saturn limmitations. but how they'll chose to do that is another story. one could run, or hide, or pretend it's not happening or it's not that important.... or their life-experience and accumulated wisdom will help smooth things out that it will seem like a
"natural" step in evolution...

a coin always has two sides up-and-down

posted November 22, 2004 05:10 AM              

hi nackie. that was very comprehensive. now i understand. actually i didn't want to begin the post saying ' i have identity crisis!'. that would make me the focus rather that the study of crisis. i realised right now i have nothing to do with saturn but a lot with pluto. so ur right when u say pluto might triger id crisis. let me go through this rough path and learn more and evolve.