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virgotaurustaurus
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posted December 02, 2004 02:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So yeah...I could no longer resist posting this...but I have been having a massive hard time and it feels like I've finally reached a critical point. I've been incredibly stressed out and depressed, directionless, lacking purpose, stuck in a rut, etc. etc...I've also been doing some deep soul-searching, and and digging right into my unconciousness, my psyche and just trying to pull everything out of it which is EXTREMELY psychologically painful. I don't even know why or how I felt this was the right time to do it, besides that I keep having a ton of false starts and I'm sick of not knowing my life path. I've also had tons of bad memories seep into my conciousness as if I am being forced to finally deal with them...just plow right through them rather than repress again.

Anyway, through my reading about transiting Saturn retrograding and sitting around in my 4th house and being a tad too close to my Nadir, I realize all of the above could probably be blamed on Saturn. I also found out it's squaring my natal Pluto, YUCK. I have a few major things with Saturn that astro.com picked out for me that don't sound too fun either.

I'm just wondering if anyone has a lot of experience trying to get through a pretty nasty, difficult transit, especially Saturn ones? I can't really figure out how to harness the energy of this at all instead it seems to be destroying me mentally.

Oh if anyone wants to look at my chart I pulled up my natal with the transits for Dec 2nd, 2004 but I'm not looking for a chart reading haha. I just konw some people like looking at the charts to help along with questions like these.
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lovely*
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posted December 02, 2004 08:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
VTT, the text was too small to read your chart, but could this have anything to do with the trans sun and merc in SAG squaring your sun/venus? merc is also retro now so i wouldn't try to make any major life plans, unless of course they were already underway before end of NOV.

hang in there, we will have CAP soon!

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virgotaurustaurus
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posted December 02, 2004 09:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It could have something to do with the transiting sun/merc but I really think this is definitely in part of transiting retrograde Saturn in my cancerian 4th house squaring my natal saturn in my libran 6th house. I unfortunately forgot about Mercury retrograde in late August, and the relationship and school I started then fell right apart a few weeks ago.

Sun in Capricorn sounds pretty nasty too actually, because if trans Saturn doesn't move much the Sun will eventually be in opposition to it. Then my issues of dad and mom may be coming out simultaneously!

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26taurus
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posted December 02, 2004 10:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey VTT,

I had a tough time when Saturn transited my 4th house years ago, especially when it conjuncted my Sun. It can be a tough time. And I'm sure your feeling it especially right now as it is conjuncting your IC.

All I can say is do your best to do what you need to do to take some positive actions in your life right now. Saturn doesnt like anyone sitting around doing nothing (not saying you are) but he has a tendency to make things worse, kicks us in the butt until we start doing some hard work. But Saturn always rewards us when the work is done.

Saturn transiting your fourth is commanding you to take a look at your foundations ~ within yourself and at your 'home base' and the people you share that space with. This house is about your roots, and the deepest parts of your self.

There is much inner work that needs to be confronted now. Anything that you have been sweeping under the rug will creep back out at you now. As you know, Saturn is all about taking responsibility.

You can kind of look at this like a symbol to "get your house in order". The "house" doesnt necessarily mean the one you live in - your home. It could be that, or more likely and more importantly your inner self. Do what you need to do to get your self in order. This is a time of major soul searching and testing.

Your parents could also be a major focus and you will find yourself having to deal with them more than usual.

Hope that helps.

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virgotaurustaurus
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posted December 03, 2004 12:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you thank you!!!

First off, I realized I think it's the Mercury Retrograde that's creating things for me to laugh at! Like really weird news (ex. stolen Spongebob Squarepants), and all these people having massive computer problems, and me having weird little accidents like my hand somehow contacting my pudding cup and making it FLY behind my desk. OOPS HAHA.

26t, oh man...so you have an idea of what I'm going through now! It is so insane. Yeah I don't like that IC conjunction at all O_o.

I actually started thinking of journaling bigtime now. Just writing out EVERYTHING that is in my head. Every thought. I also just started really digging deep into career reserach tonight, I have no idea what I want for a career, and I have avoided doing the research my career counselor told me to do and due to that, I think Saturn is to blame for my increased grief over lack of direction of my life. I actually feel immensely better when I'm doing that, and I also have felt better in making an effort to contact old friends too.

You totally cleared up what I was wondering about Saturn being in 4th! I had a feeling it wasn't only about family...there hasn't actually been too much change in my family, and I can't really make change in the family, so I wasn't understanding what else Saturn in 4th brings. I've definitely been thinking about home, and actually where I would feel most at home and moving, and how things are when I'm at my house.

It's so neat hearing that the house doesn't actually have to be the house I live in! Because the major thing that's being affected is my inner self. BIG TIME. It's like BAAAMM. I also noticed I have that transiting Saturn squaring my natal Saturn, definitely soul-searching aspect! That's ALL I've been able to do lately. I kind of enjoy it but it's so hard too!

So yes, thank you! I'm just having such a hard, deep, kind of depressing time. I'm psyched though because I figure once it's over I'll feel so much more centered and understand things better...also I found out I have transiting Pluto conjuncting my natal Neptune after the new year for almost 2 years! Transformation WOOO!!

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26taurus
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posted December 03, 2004 01:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey VTT,

Youre welcome! I'm glad you got something out of that. Tough transit indeed, but it can also be very rewarding. And you are right about when it is over feeling much more centered. You'll have a new way of looking at everything - guarenteed. It is sure to add depth to your outlook on yourself and life in general.

Yes, the fourth house is about so much more than just the "home". It is very much about your inner world, your soul. Think the depths of yourself, being at the very bottom of your chart. It's the deep dark part of you. It also shows the latter part of one's life, matters relating to real estate or property. Your base of operations, and the nature of one's residence.

It's so appropriate that you said you've been digging deep into researching about a career! All of the points in the chart - the axises are tied. So whenever you have a transiting planet on your IC it will be affecting your MC at the same time. Or on your DC it will affect your AC. So with Saturn on the IC, you will no doubt feel it's affects on the 10th house aspects of your chart. Tenth house = Career! And the 10th house is Saturn's home. So this could be a great time of figuring things out in this arena. It makes sense that you said you "feel immensely better" when you are doing that. (I think you meant researching about a career) And about the journaling. Very good thing to do with this transit. Like I said Saturn is bringing you face to face with the depths of your Self now. So writing will be very theraputic.

Now I havent even mentioned Pluto. Could things get any tougher for you? Talk about pressure. If you evade responsibility at this time, you will start to feel serious pressure from others. Not to mention the internal pressure from yourself to make nessasary changes in your life. This transit symbolizes a sloooow transformative change, hard work and breaking down and rebuilding your structures. On the upside it gives you stamina and power to take on some hefty responsibilities and make nessasary changes. Just take care not to evade 'responsibility' - this is what Saturn is all about. And in the fourth taking responsibility for rebuilding your self and all of your life structures is what it's about. You, the deep down roots of you. Pluto and Saturn can be a powerful team and you can make major and nessasary changes but not without work. But who wants to always take the easy road? It's much more rewarding and makes for a better character to take the long way home. Just make sure to stop and smell the roses. .....okay I'm getting off track now..lol

BTW, this is a generational transit so others close to your age will also be feeling the affects.

Ahhhh......Pluto conjunct Neptune. I'm just finishing up that transit. *sigh* Well, it was mind expanding.....?......dont know why I chose that phrase. But it was. This is also a generational transit, alot of your peers will be going through it too. Let me just say prepare for things to start getting real strange. (I can almost hear you say, "They already are!") Strange in a good way though. This is all about transformation, renewal in beliefs that were once just accepted. Certain things will no longer be acceptable to you. A "new reality" is born. Great time for studying metaphysics, astrology and stuff of the like. Also a great time for artists. A time of slow but radical changes.

*sarcastic* Lucky me, pretty soon Pluto will be entering my 12th house. *gasps* It sounds scary, I'm a little nervous. I'm sure it will prove to be one of the most interesting (to say the least) times, or transits of my life.

So, cheer up my friend. (I know it's easier said than done.) Saturn in the 4th really can be a toughie. But you'll be a whole new person when it's over. And surely have changed for the better. Over the years I've actually come to love Saturn. He promises rewards and enlightenment where ever he goes. (after you get over the depressing heavyness of it all of course. lol)

So good luck. Though I know you'll be fine. Us earth signs are toughies too! We can take Old Man Saturn any day! hehehe

Watch out for those "flying puddin cups" *wink* LOLOLOL!!

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26taurus
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posted December 03, 2004 03:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*bump* for VTT

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virgotaurustaurus
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posted December 03, 2004 11:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whoa sweet! I would have gotten back to this sooner, but Mercury decided to have fun where I live and cause a 5 1/2 hour power outage!

I am soooo glad I'll have a new outlook on everything. So many of the ways I look at things now are either just too negative, unrealistic, or outdated. They've gotta go!

That's so awesome to finally learn about the 4th house having other connotations. You mentioned "depths" of self, which is where I keep trying to pull things from, and a few of my recent dreams were intrepreted as having to do with that depth as well! I'm apparently very afraid of something down there but am eager to get ahold of it and get through it. i've been frustrated the past few days when I've been too tired to work on getting there.

I'm also really intrigued with what you said about the MC/10th house and the axises being tied! Another thing to keep an eye out for when looking at charts . But that 10th house is almost loving this transit. I spent a ton more time last night reading up on different types of careers. Astronomer is looking pretty cool!

My fears are kinda keeping me from journaling, but I'm making myself do it at this point. Maybe soon I'll have a nice big outpouring, that's what I'm hoping for! I probably just need to take one whole day, and write and write and write.

UGH! Pluto! Fortunately I haven't noticed that effect too much, I tend to be a responsible person to begin with so hopefully naturally I'm bypassing the hard part of this. Haha you are soooooo write about it being a slooooooww transformative change. SO SLOW! AHH! "breaking down and rebuilding your structures" I could not have said this better! I actually for some reason tried doing this with my friendships and relationships. Wasn't a good idea, especially with Neptune transiting the 11th house (it's also causing way too many quick changes with my long-term friends)...I have a Mars return in the 7th house in about 2 weeks so maybe that one will work. Now I'm trying to break down and rebuild my inner self and how I view the world.

Pluto conjunct Neptune! Things are definitely starting to be weird. I'm glad its a generational transit, should be fun to watch my peers mwhahaha! I'm already starting to dive much deeper into astrology so I'm glad for this transit .

Haha wow I've babbled! I'm just much more excited about these transits today after thinking about them and reading your replies, I actually enjoy and crave the ability to do the hard work these things bring, I just have a hard time in the beginning of them. One of my friends who is into astrology was looking at these transits too, and is really excited for me, she's pretty sure I won't even know my old self anymore once I get through them.

Hooray! Oh yeah also my dreams have been really strange lately...last night I dreamt that I was locked up in an asylum which was actually the college I spent a month at in September, and Jake Gyllenhaal was a volunteer worker there and he was trying to help me escape. Hahahah!!

Wheee! I'm going to go look at more careers now

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sana
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posted December 04, 2004 01:30 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi vtt...right now i m feelin the exact same thing wut u r feeling..n i dont know where saturn is right now but i feel its merc retro...me a gem...ugh...m just clueless n nothin is going right...have lost interest in everythin n everythin i get excited bout just goes wrong...n have been doing nothing but reading posts here like 5 to 6 times a day...crazy??? anyways lets pray for each other n for everyone else affected by this...
ugh... m so bored....bye...
sana

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puppyblew
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posted December 04, 2004 03:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey vtt, my old friend.

you know i've been going through this junk as well. old man sat. is not only squaring my pluto but saturn and mars as well. and opposing my ascendent, leaving my 7th house of love and partners in ruins.

i think what you are doing with looking into careers is great! i did that exact same thing. i got so excited about *finally* growing up and getting a good career and moving out and getting my own place. it felt good! i also cleaned, cleaned, and then cleaned my room and living space. it's like i was drowning my feelings with cleaning. def. virgo!

so, everything was cool and i was so serious it was disgusting and then i found out the jobs i want are not happening and now i'm depressed again. but, really, at the moment i just don't care. it's like i've become a little rebellious child against father saturn. but, i can't take it anymore. i NEED to have fun. i need it. i need to not THINK anymore. now job searching gives me a headache. i think it's merc. in ret. i mean, it makes me warry to apply when it's in that. and i'm so sick of having no luck in that area that i feel like taking my dream jobs like ghost hunter and other dream jobs that don't exist unless i move across the country to C.A. which isn't happening!

on the man front, i just can't even bare to face it. it's easier to just float along, until i can think. i can't even think about it right now. i can't.

i know this is making it worse. old man saturn is going to REALLY kick my rear end for slacking. right now i don't care. i'll kick it myself. i just really don't see the point of me even being here right now. so, i have to keep my mind busy with stupid stuff and remember to laugh!

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virgotaurustaurus
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posted December 04, 2004 03:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
puppyblew!!! <3 So weird, it seems like our charts in similar in certain ways! I can't really tell if Saturn is squaring my Pluto or my Saturn...astro.com says Saturn but they are so close to each other I wouldn't be surprised if I'm getting that energy from both like you are! My natal stuff is in 6th, so yeah...work and health *sigh* I had the flu for 2 weeks. No job either.

Yay!!! I love that feeling of responsibility that's coming with looking at careers and getting my own place too! I realized I was jealous of my friend I talked about in my last post because he was doing the transitional thing I want to do...getting his own place and a new job. I usually drown my feelings with cleaning, but I'm forcing myself not to do that this time haha! Its sooo painful for me to stop my Virgo energy.

OOOooo!!! The job disappointment stuff...if you can hold off until after x-mas with jobs you'd be so much better off, I'm trying to do that. Mercury retrograde is occurring at such a bad time for us *sigh*. I'm afraid that I will find a job during this retrograde, and then in January it will be swept out from under me.

I need fun too!!! I can't even FIND it anymore!

I know all about how it'd be easier to just float along...I wish I could do that, but something from my sub/unconcious is screaming for me to hunt it down with napalm. So I'm going to put on my warrior gear and go find that evil stuff! In fact if you wanna know how creepy that stuff is go check out my post in the dreams forum under robot/animal thing or whatever it is haha.

We'll get through this! I swear!!! WOOOO!!! *hands you a shield and spear*

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puppyblew
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posted December 04, 2004 05:12 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh, vtt.. you just made me laugh...
robot/animal thing. sick!

yeah, i know what you mean about dieing to get out and get your own place. and not being able to do it right now is not gelling with all the vibes. it's painful.
as for the job thing, yeah, i want to hold off. i wonder if just searching and amping up the old c.v. is ok? my parents will probably kill me. haha....

"well, you see, merc. is retro. right now and i don't want to take any risks...."

haha... i can just see my parents buying that right now.

i'd go shopping and to the movies tomorrow for fun if damn merc. retro. hadn't caused my car to break down today. ahhhhhhh!!!!!!

i've done some hard work lately. crying myself to sleep every night. it's time to have fun!

right now i'm off to bed and hoping your robot thing won't give me nightmares.

yes, we WILL get through this. and it'll
be mighty clean when we do.


whispers ~ "the rainbow will cheer him up."

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puppyblew
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posted December 04, 2004 05:16 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
vtt ~

i just noticed you posted at 3 in the morning
and me at 5. is it really that early? geez.
i guess we're allowed to stay up because
we're jobless wonders.

boy i am feeling goofy tonight!

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Aen
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posted December 04, 2004 06:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
VTT

Feel your plight. Any transiting planet conj. IC will be opp MC and therefore influence both where you stand and what you reach. Since Saturn is the ruler of your Cap MC, it's probably even more influential.

Saturn is about work and preservance, so best you can do is hang on there. The good news is that Saturn won't send you to fool's errand - if any of your plans had a component of illusion or wishful thinking, it will come apparent now and you can make the changes. It can hurt like hell and give impression you are losing bits and pieces of yourself you'd rather like to keep (your Taurus Moon is particularly displeased), but in the end you feel lighter and less cluttered.


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26taurus

Pluto should be rather comfy in the 12th. Munching quietly through your subconcsious mind if you let. And you better let!

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virgotaurustaurus
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posted December 05, 2004 01:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
haha puppyblew! I'm glad you found the robot/animal thing funny

I've been crying myself to sleep every night lately too Haha that's probably why I'm up till 4 am posting on here! Don't wanna go to bed because I know what'll happen.

Aen - thats awesome! I love the opposite affect of the IC/MC. I'm starting to like this Saturn transit now that I know more about it, but the hard work is being incredibly draining at this point. Ah ha! So it's my Taurus Moon causing me pressure and stress by being unhappy!!! There's so much of myself I'm trying to let go that hasn't been working and it's soooo hard. There's a part of me that likes to argue for the sake of arguing that I am trying to rid of, because it is a huge time waster, and instead I'm fighting myself over that psychologically. I'm also still dealing with bits of how I felt in my last relationship that Saturn seems to be helping in rid of. Definitely not an easy time but seems very much worth the hardship!

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astro junkie
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posted December 06, 2004 07:42 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
VirgoTaurus -

Yeah - maybe you know, I have a Moon in Cancer. Me, plus those I know with Mars in Cancer or other placements, have had some of the worst times ever. (and still dealing with it) ...

Sometimes though, it may not be a matter of doing MORE, it may be a matter of doing LESS. Allowing the universe to breathe more. Pay attention. Be witness. But not jumping the gun.

I know what you mean about the "false starts".

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virgotaurustaurus
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posted December 14, 2004 10:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oohhh my god...I just had to come back to this...I have no idea when my 2 Saturn aspects are supposed to be exact, but seems like they just get harder and harder! AHHH!! And it looks like I won't feel relief until the spring!

Oh yeah this: "If you evade responsibility at this time, you will start to feel serious pressure from others." SOOO TRRUUUUEEE OMFG! haha. good god already!

Hard hard hard...there are tons of not pretty things in my self, deep in my psyche...and oh boy do I keep trying to pull them out. Soooo painful! SOOO SOOO SOOO painful. But I keep telling myself I MUST do it, I MUST deal with these things finally!!! Never have I cried so much.

Haha now I'm speechless...talk about confusion and intense emotional/mental pain though! *sighs long and loud*

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posted December 14, 2004 10:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh yeah my family seems like an absolutely nightmare and a half lately. And that is a total understatement.

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astro junkie
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posted December 15, 2004 12:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And although the transiting Saturn will be occupying your 4th House for a while, it will be going from Cancer and turning into Leo. Hmmmmmm ...

*hunch*

Might you turn out to be the trustworthy matriarch of the family? Your Natal Sun and Venus are in your 5th House.

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virgotaurustaurus
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posted December 15, 2004 11:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whoa astro, that's neat! I didn't think of looking ahead to what Saturn will do when it leaves my 4th/Cancer...hmm! If what you said could be true, the next few months should be very interesting to see what happens in my family, as the way it is right now I can't possibly become the trustworthy matriach...there's a possibility of my parents splitting finally, but I also should be moving out soon...which makes me wonder, maybe I will be starting my own family O_O? Eep! Hahah!

Mmmm...Saturn, Venus and Sun in the 5th...*pats the planets and tells them to play nice for me in the future*

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