posted December 25, 2004 01:09 PM              

My Sun conjuct Mars in 9th house

posted December 25, 2004 04:41 PM              

When I'm angry, I'm very blunt and confrontational. Once I'm pushed it's almost like this huge emotional well overflowing, and it'll come out very verbally, and if I feel threatened I can almost get violent. My own aspects which probably cause this are Moon opposition Mars (that Mars is in SCORPIO!), and Venus Square Mars. I have Mars opposition a very strong Chiron too, which I'm assuming probably makes my self feel threatened easily.

So yeah I'd definitely say if you have a strong Mars...that would make for plenty of quarrels, maybe some intense anger. I was having very hurtful, volcanic arguements like crazy during my mars return (the mars conjuncting that you are experiencing right now). I also found it interesting that you mentioned Pluto because my Pluto squares my MC which I've read causes strain *blech*.

posted December 26, 2004 02:22 PM              

(((H)))
VTTthanks aot for the comfort! Ironically,I have pluto sqaure my Asc too.

SG: actually, i love Saggitarians! i get long very well with them. my other best friend is a Sag and w are almost like twins- vry alike in temprament. But about having a love/hate relationship- with this particular Sag that preety much sums up our relationship. Right now I am in hate mode with her, and my scorp asc is dreaming up ways to get even with her. >:->

posted December 26, 2004 04:25 PM              

Mr Aqua: You can't do this to me!
Me: Oh yes, I can.
Aq: I'm not going without you. If you're not going, I'm not going. You're my wife.
Ar: What am I, a prop? What's with the sudden devotion? Don't pretend to be caring, all of a sudden. You say you'd like to kick my a** most of the time. You just want to manipulate me into doing something you want me to do.
Aq: I can't leave you here alone.
Ar: I'm quite happy on my own, thank you very much. I've been ill recently, I want a bit of quiet respite, and don't feel much like seeing people.
Aq: Well, it's great timing. Couldn't you have sprung this earlier in the week?
Ar: No, because you would still have tried to talk me out of it.
Aq: I can't enjoy myself if you're not there.
Ar: Well, pretend to enjoy yourself. You're quite good at that.
Aq: I suppose so. (Continues to hang around)
Ar: Look, I object to the fact that we have to wind up at your parents every damn Christmas. We haven't been anywhere, nowhere foreign, not ANYWHERE since we've been married, for a holiday, and I'm FED UP! I am FED UP with your attitude! You're a lazy git!
Aq: So, shall I just go then?
Ar: Yes, just go! Go!

(Exit Mr. Aqua)
Sorry, but if I had gone, I would have blown up. His family do my head in.

posted December 26, 2004 07:11 PM              

As for anger, I don't know, I get so angry, with Neptune so big in my chart I can dream, plot, and plan a revenge so clearly that it comes true instantly, and I am usually sorry later.

I once wished a man I knew would suffer, and next thing I heard he had AIDS. Another time a Pisces told me he hoped a friend of mine would die young and she did. I think saying these things outloud hurts the person who says it more, and I watch what I wish for. Revenge is not sweet.

I get my anger under control the minute i feel it, and I never, ever let myself stew, or allow anyone to make me feel things I don't want to. Doing that is allowing myself to be vulnerable and confused, and expecting a stronger person to fix everything.

Anger is confusion, it really is.
My Mars is opp my Mercury so I usually say something terrible in my anger, and the Mars squares Pluto so, I don't get angry anymore! As my sister would say, I don't take any s....! And I always have to win, so don't argue.

Luckily my Mars does not aspect my Ascendant, just missed it, but when that transit hits,
Oh My God!

I found the best medicine with anger is to go out and look your best, when you see yourself reacting to others and others reacting to you in a pleasant way, it works. Superficial but it works.

Fire signs are the ones I argue with the most, but I am emotionally attached to them too. Sometimes we need anger, and the results afterwards to fill up some gap in our life. That reminds me of a poem, okay here goes even though it's corny.

To Fill A Gap-Emily Dickinson

To fill a Gap Insert the Thing that caused it—
Block it up With Other—and 'twill yawn the more—
You cannot solder an Abyss With Air.

posted December 27, 2004 05:13 AM            

so it means that there's some sort of control (Saturn) or pressure (Pluto) (squares) upon the natural flow and expression of energy (Mars).

if Uranus is involved, it intensifies things even more.

the same can be said by a fiery Mars RETROGRADE (which is similar to a control or pressure being applied)

of course, if the control/pressure also involves self-expression (the Sun) or emotions (the Moon), the frustration, and the anger can be part of someone's personality, and more self-work and self-knowledge is required to deal with it.

posted December 27, 2004 01:18 PM              

Wonderful way of putting that! I'd have to agree. It's almost like an earthquake which is a release of energy or tension being built up.

posted December 28, 2004 06:19 AM              

I have Pluto rising and... sun conjunct mars in the 5th house... almost exactly like you, ecept for the house of the sun/mars conjunction.

I have two stories about this rage. When I was 15 my friends got involved in a fight over a guy. Well, actually... some girls wanted to beat up my Sag friend because they liked her boyfriend. So... it was the classic "meet me in the park after school!" thing... The whole school piled into this park to watch the big fight, lol. but although the Sag was my best friend and I thought these other girls were being unreasonable, I was cool with them too. So I tried to mediate. I was getting more and more infuriated by their idiocy and to cut a long story short, one of the other girls (who I didnt know) threw a punch at me... AT ME!!! (still can't believe it, lol... 11 years later!) and when she did... my recollection is just of this haze of fury overcoming me, and everything in slow motion almost... and I beat the **** out of her. She was sorry she punched me when I was trying to mediate, that's for sure. I don't remember this, but people say all the guys in my grade were trying to hold me back and pull me away, but I was so furious, no one could hold me. the only thing that stopped me, was when someone said the police had arrived and thats when I snapped out of it (I remember seeing them in the distance and thinking... ok, thats enough, lol)

another quick story was when my husband gave me a dutch oven. if you know what that is... well ok. if you know me, you know I HATE FARTS. I do not want to smell anyone bum gas. I won't go use the bathroom right after anybody. UGH. I am really militant about this. Well... for about a year, my husband kept taunting me that he would give me a dutch oven (you fart under the blanket and then put the blanket over someones head = dutch oven... UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY DISGUSTING AND OFFENSIVE TO ME!!!) anyway... he knows how militant i am about farts and not smelling them. Its like the worst thing in the world to me. I begged him so many times, please don't do that I will be so mad, I can't even tolerate the thought of that happening to me... and he would giggle, but he never did it. Well, finally, he stopped threatening and he did it. I got soooooooooooooo mad. I beat him up. I picked him up by his shirt and threw up across the bed and started whaling on him. I know this is sort of funny and also awful and unacceptable... but it wasn't even voluntary. It was a blinding rage. And I knew it would happen! I knew! I told him, please, please don't do that it's not funny at all...

He wsn't black and blue or anything, but he was really mad at me... he was like "you... you... WERE HITTING ME FOR REAL!!!! I CAN;T BELIEVE YOU!!! WHAT IF I HIT YOU LIKE THAT?!" and he's absolutely right. I'm not trying to justify it at all. It's a weakness, you push my buttons exactly right, or keep picking and picking and wearing away at my... thin veneer of sanity so to speak... and that mars/pluto stuff comes raging out :/

In our worst fights in our marriage, I don't hit generally, but I will throw things. I'm a thrower. But the thing is, whenever the rage starts to build, I would try to leave and cooldown, but he would always try to trap me, and block my way... sometimes in small spaces... and that's when I would get really violent, I am sorry to say. I would hit, punch, pinch, throw things break things... to force him to let me leave. He would make me feel like a caged animal. I NEED to leave when I feel the rage building :/

So yeah... we have almost the same aspects... don't know if yours is as extreme as mine... I admit, when I get mad... it's very ugly and very much a part of my lower self I'm not too proud of.

But I have to reiterate... It takes A LOT to get me there. It's not easy to make me mad and confrontational. I'm actually not very confrontational, I can be ridiculously reasonable in cases where other people would be so furious... but of course when you push me past my limits, it's all over.

posted December 28, 2004 10:47 AM              

Parts of your post made me laugh!!! (How marriage degenerates!) Actually, Aquas don't rage very often, but when they do, they really go for it. I don't hit people or break or throw things when I'm in a rage, I just stand there and scream at people, and then they usually can't stand my (Mars in Gemini) verbosity, so they hit me. Which is not fair, as I'm much smaller than most people. There was a stage, about two years ago, when Mr Aqua tried to throttle me on several occasions. That was when I seriously fell out of love with him, and one of the reasons why I'm now looking to break up with him.

I might as well give you the other half of the argument we had on Christmas Day:

Ar:Just DO something with your life. I don't care what you do, whether you're self-employed or not. Just DO something. Because I can't stand it any longer.
Aq:...You've been a real b*tch to me. I've been working all hours of the night working to support you, whilst you've been sitting on your a**e painting (I'm currently writing an instruction book about painting and drawing natural history)...
Ar:Pull the other one! I have never asked you to support me, I don't even expect you to. Yes, you've been up all hours of the night - babysitting, because that happens to have been offered you, and because you can't be bothered to try and make any money doing gardening or anything else. You could easily have made a living from gardening, even in this neck of the woods. You've spent quite a bit of time playing computer games because you can't be bothered to work.
Aq dumbstruck)But I don't want to do gardening.
Ar:Well, DO SOMETHING! Because I can't put up with this for much longer.
Aq:You never wanted to be a wife, did you?

And actually - I have to admit - perhaps he was right in that instance.

posted December 28, 2004 11:04 AM              

I would have said, I wanted a husband who is a real man, not a child.

But that explains why i am single!
Good for you, talking back to MIL.

Natasha

posted December 28, 2004 12:50 PM              

Ooooooh... trying to box an Air sign into a tight space? Isn't this where verbal communication would come in handy for them?

posted December 28, 2004 01:59 PM              

Well, I didn't want to be a wife for a while when I was growing up. Then I thought marriage was some sort of ideal, and pursued it. But when it comes down to the so-called "responsibilities" and the mundaneness...maybe I'm not traditional "wife" material. I say "traditional" because ideally one ought to suppose that there are exceptions to the rule. But Mr. Aqua's view of the word "wife" is very traditional, not at all like mine.

- So no, perhaps I didn't want to be a wife, not in the way he meant it, anyway.
His view of love is that you ought to be able to do the most mundane things together. Well, that's all very well and good, but when it's all mundane and there's no light at the end of the tunnel - where's the fun in that?

BTW -
My Mars is in Gemini, his Venus in Capricorn -
So I think therein lies the problem.
He is comfortable with things always being the same, I can't stand boredom.

LOL

posted December 28, 2004 02:09 PM              

It's being on top, and sometimes words don't help.
Ideally they would both have passionate sex followed by a move far away from MIL.