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cappy
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posted January 15, 2005 09:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I realized lately that most of my assessment of people, who they really are, and therefore whether I should let them in my private space or not (cause I'm naturally mistrustful and guarded) is based on information that I receive from my senses, clues that they give me without realizing it: i.e. I go beyond what they say to how they say it, tone of voice, body language, eye movement, dress they were etc....

I know we all form opinions of people based on these things but for the past couple of years I realize that my body and senses turn into an information gathering machine so that my opinions are formed fairly quickly and I'm rarely wrong about them, can't think of an instance actually. I'm posting this because I think it may relate to my astrological makeup but I'm also brought to question myself about my inflexibe opinions about people and I hate feeling that way: I'm accused by my friends to be too harsh or too friendly, somewhat naive even gullible about people and it is so not true: I usually am harsh and distant based on gut feelings that a certain person is not trustworthy or has something to hide that makes me uncomfortable. Of course, I can never say exactely what it is but in the end the person end up coming out as such and I'm like AHHHHHHH knew it! OR like, I'm friendly with someone and take what they say as truthful but my friends think I'm gullible: especially when it comes to guys.

Wonder what you guys think? Anyone experience this as well and how do you deal with it. I'd like to trust my instinct and I'm kind of annoyed when it's being put into question. By the way I'm a capricorn, ascendant in scorpio and venus in pisces

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Archer
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posted January 15, 2005 09:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i guess it to be because of scorpio asc. which planets do u have there?

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aries-chick
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posted January 15, 2005 10:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I always judge people on the vibes i get from them due to body language tone of voice, their eyes...i think its mainly in their eyes and eye contact with me. I don't do it on purpose..I do it without even trying to, its like instinct. I always look in depth and think there's something more to people than what they put accross be that good or bad.

Ppl have criticised me for it too, only cause they think its silly, not factual and logical enough to base opinions on. But it works for me so...thats just their opinion and thats fine, it probably wouldn't work for them. Each to their own I say.

I have Neptune/Mars conjunct in Capricorn ...Capricorn Moon in the 8th. Neptune/Mars apparently can make you a bit mystical.

What aspects do you have to your neptune..and what planets do you have in the 8th?

PS Scorpio asc can give other ppl the feeling you see right through them. Do you have a Pluto singleton by any chance?

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Gemini Nymph
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posted January 15, 2005 10:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"realized lately that most of my assessment of people, who they really are, and therefore whether I should let them in my private space or not (cause I'm naturally mistrustful and guarded) is based on information that I receive from my senses, clues that they give me without realizing it: i.e. I go beyond what they say to how they say it, tone of voice, body language, eye movement, dress they were etc...."

Basically, this is universal to human experience, but people are often not very aware of how their cognitive functions work, or understand that *rationality* hinges on sensory experience. Basically, only philosophers waste time thinking about how we think, which the rest of the population seem to think it just wacky mindgames. But in essence that is what rationality is: the intellectual evaluation and assessment of our sensory experience. That we would apply this rationality to how we assess other people is a given, since we are social creatures and the primarily way for us to know another person is through what we learn from our senses. How well we assess the information we gather from or senses, whether we are aware of how limited that information is, or how reliable our senses are are of course whole other lesson in philosophical anthropology.

"I know we all form opinions of people based on these things but for the past couple of years I realize that my body and senses turn into an information gathering machine so that my opinions are formed fairly quickly and I'm rarely wrong about them, can't think of an instance actually."

We are often quite confident, and usually without any reasonable justification, that what we percieve is without distortion or error. But rarely that is true, if ever. Truth is - and this is more psychology than philosophy - is that you probably have been given several indications of being wrong in the past, but thanks to our all to common human intellect/ego's ability to resist correction from others tregarding our convictions, presumptions and opinions short of blunt force trauma, chances are you have selectively edited them from your conscious memory.

It is not uncommon, however, for earth Suns to possess exception skills of deduction, which is essentially what you are describing. But all the same, the best judges of character I have ever known were those who had learned from being wrong about people in the past. Having a skill alone isn't enough to make an "expert" - it requires also wisdom that only comes from making plenty of mistakes.

Caps do tend to be very rigid in their convictions and opinions, and are usually very difficult to persuade otherwise. Partly, they trust reason, facts and tangible evidence, and partly they have a profound fear of intellectual error, which they see as weakness, that makes them irrationally stubborn - something their love of reason makes it hard for them to admit. I can't remember if Bill O'Reilly is a Cap or just has a ton of Cappy influence in his chart, but he's a grade A example of this Cap dichotomy at work - on one hand, he's one of the most rigidly logical stick-to-the-facts commentators on the air, and on the other hand, he's so irrationally immoveable, stubborn and self-assured, it's inevitable he stabs himself in the foot for time to time...and he does - he's his own worst character assassin.

All earth signs have a particualr trust in rationality - it goes back the fact that congitively, our rationality hinges on our senses, and earth signs are all highly sensual. That sensuality is both an earth's great, unique strength, as it gives them a more intense, complex and enriched experience of the physical world, and their potentially greatest vulnerablity. Taurus is notorius for overindulgence of the senses, and Virgo is prone to being easily excited, overstimulated, hypersensitve or just plain neurotic regarding their sensual experiences.

As for Capricorn, it can be their Achilles' heel - they are often so confident that they are the only people around with their heads on straight that they are blissfully unaware that some temptation to their sense has carried them off into some completely irrational sphere - hehe, this is why I bet that sexual harrassment suit against O'Reilly probably had merit. In you case, I suspect that your confidence that you assess people correctly doesn't provide you with a proper "guard" against being gullible toward someone who tickles your "lower" senses more than your "higher" reason. Learn to doublecheck your presumptions and convictions and accept that everyone has some margin of error, and you probably can learn to be both less rigid and less gullible.

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aries-chick
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posted January 15, 2005 10:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does that go for me to Gemini?

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Azalaksh
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posted January 15, 2005 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cappy, where is your Moon? Mine is in Pisces in VIII, and I have been called a human-lie detector, a detective, and a psychic. I don't feel comfortable with any of those labels, but I trust my gut feeling and the eyes are the windows of the soul -- check out this link........ http://healing.about.com/od/sacredsymboleys/

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purple_scorp
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posted January 15, 2005 10:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had heard, or read somewhere (might even be here) that most of us form opinions about people within the first couple of minutes of meeting them.

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zoso
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posted January 16, 2005 03:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for zoso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It might be because I was in dance class since I was four, but everyone has their own particular motion. It's like their own unique dance. That's what I notice straight off and it tells me so much, just the overall feeling and waves of movements their bodies create.

After that, it's usually smells that let me know what's going on. They say fear stinks. Well, when my bf used to get happy, I could smell him turn sweeter and then when he was turned on, he'd smell a stronger musk. My cats have their own scent, too, so late at night I can tell who is lying next to me in the dark.

Eye contact is an intimate sense, too. You can almost read someone's eyes better than verbally communicate, sometimes. But, I think touch is the most intimate. Eye contact can show what you think, but touch is all about feeling. It's nice to just close your eyes and touch someone, but better to close your eyes and be touched.

Hey, Cappie, my mom used to say she had the best insight into people after only just meeting them. She's a scorp BTW.

I believed her until she started saying rude things about my friends. I thought she didn't give people a second chance when they did something to her disapproval. Now I think that I have good insight, but I still have to remember to look outside at the bigger picture instead of zooming in to find flaws, which I tend to do. I think it might be a defense strategy that actually sets up a failure because I over-protect myself and become somewhat isolated.

There's a book called Pluto 2 by Greene (I think) and he says that venus in scorp people feel the need to penetrate people and situations to evaluate whether any aspect could be damaging or hurtful to them. Is your Venus in scorp? Maybe I mised it--I'll go back and check.

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BlueRoamer
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posted January 16, 2005 04:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GeminiNymph does this mean you forgive me? I missed your informative and eloquent posts

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astro junkie
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posted January 17, 2005 11:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's true, we must learn to trust our instincts, but only if we get out of our own way. Be careful you are not passing "judgment" for "instinct", or "instinct" for "judgment".

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cappy
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posted January 18, 2005 12:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow!!! So many responses! Great. Thank you all. I'd like to go back and answer every post but I'll just address general points people made.

One is that I didn't post this because I thought I was different than other people. People do make judgments based on first impressions and they usually turn out to be right. Generally speaking otherwise we wouldn't make sure we always present our best side to people we get introduced to. It's a natural way of behaving.
I liked the post that located my "sense" reaction to my earth sign while also pointing out how stubborn capricorns can be. and every one can be judgmental. I'm like everyone else and I posted on this forum to think of to what extent I should trust my instincts about people without falling into the trap of being judgmental and so on.
I'll continue to trust them as they've been useful to me so far. I also use my head in this mind you.

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LeoSweetHeart
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posted January 18, 2005 12:38 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Cappy

Hmm I agree that its normal for us to use our senses to feel people out at first, but I don't always think thats the best way to weed out people not worth getting to know. I say that because I know that I'm usually uncomfortable in public, not always, but most of the time I think I send out nervous energy which could be mistaken as suspicious or something. I am a really honest, genuine person with a great personality once you get to know me, but the trouble is my outward shyness keeps some people from ever bothering to find that out. Do you think you could ever confuse nervous for suspicious? What about when people's asc are totally different than their Sun and when you get to know them, they are nothing like what you thought? I don't know how your intuition works, maybe you are even able to look past all that. In which case, that would be a cool gift, but I hope you don't miss out on a lot of valuable people if thats not the case.

PS I didn't mean this offensively at all, so I hope you don't take it that way. I'm just saying there are people including myself who aren't what we appear to be thats all.

Monica

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lovely*
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posted January 18, 2005 12:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cappy, sometimes you have to keep stuff to yourself in order to keep that psychic intuitive power within. giving your friends pearls only diminish your confidence in what you already know.

gullibilty to me represents a willingness to accept people as a child would- by gut, not logic or rational deduction. you could have less evolved friends and want to show them something. i can relate. however once you do this, defenses start coming up.

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LeoSweetHeart
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posted January 18, 2005 01:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cappy, I am happy for you to have your gift. I didn't mean to sound defensive, if I did. Just curious if your intuition can delve deeper than the vibe people send out initially.

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Danny
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posted January 18, 2005 12:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I tend to perceive how much i like things with two prodominant senses; touch and taste.

If it feels and tastes good I like it.

Rather primitive, me.

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astro junkie
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posted January 18, 2005 02:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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cappy
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posted January 18, 2005 04:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leosweetheart

Thanks for bringing up the point about people appearing in a lesser light than they usually are! That so touches on what is bothering me right now...I'm rather shy and self-conscious in public (I've worked on that a lot to the point that my friends don't believe that I'm shy) so I totally don't take people at face value, good or bad. Far from it. I usually find myself particularly intrigued by shy (or self-conscious) people because they usually are the opposite on the inside; once you get to know them they're funny, witty, and have an imaginative life that belies perception people have of them as clumsy, boring and so on...I'm talking from experience during my teenage years.
So I guess I'll keep my opinions to myself so that my friends stop interfering with my appraisals in the future. And I do like the post about receiving information from the senses is like approaching people like a child would: with gut feelings and more than reason. Not to say that I don't use my reason either but it can be just as misleading as our reason.

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cappy
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posted January 18, 2005 05:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
meant "reason just as misleading as our senses"

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