posted February 24, 2005 02:20 PM              

Blueroamer:
My birthdate is 01/17/74. But I can totally relate with what you're saying. I love helping people but deep inside I know I'm the one needing all the help I can get. It's hard for me to put myself out there.

posted February 24, 2005 04:20 PM            

I don't "create' drama, I just live as if things were dramatic

posted February 24, 2005 06:50 PM            

Traditionally, scorpio moon is often considered the "worst" placement for the moon sign, as the moon is "fall" in scorpio and thus the energy of the moon is the weakest. Supposedly the moon represent needs, and because the moon is so weak here, the mars ruled scorpio moon must constantly "assert" his or her needs, as they are not naturally met. This is what leads to "drama," and also the label that we are "complainers." Have i used enough quotations yet? Why can't I make these posts double spaced so they're more legible? Why must I continue to endlessy rant on pointless and utterly fruitles topics?

Being a scorpio moon is hard, we detach from our emotions at an early age due to pain or suffering..and we keep this coping strategy as adults, we push our emotions out of our psyche, but then they fill up and overlow, which basically leads to phases where we feel like we're breaking down and falling apart into little smashed pieces on the floor. I have periods where I'm so emotional that I have to enclose myself in my room, because I know what my face looks like, and everyone will be able to see my weakness, not acceptable!

I think scorpio moon is especially difficult for air or fire sign people, for air because its utterly confusing to be so detached and so emotional at the same time, and for fire cause they get so passionate and obsessed they drive themselves crazy. Having a scorpio moon is like have hell and heaven inside your mind 24/7, the degrees of highs and lows we experience probably qualifies as some sort of mental disorder. Yet ultimately we have an advantage on everyone else, we are STRONGER emotionally, we are extremely rugged and independent at our core, and we are not easily fooled, we are survivors. We are healers and destroyers. We are monks and priests and nuns, we are the cruelest master or the kindest companion (much like scorpio sun). What we are not is foolish, forgiving, or "light," although we may pretend to be all of those things. Offend our morals or beliefs and watch our scorpio moon beam of death focus in on you and rip your pain to the surface. Slight our pride and watch us bring the same insult back to you 2 years later....

I believe scorpio moon is the most psychically aware position, which is why we're so damn paranoid...we are constantly overloaded by sensations and moods flowing around us...any change towards negativity and our psychic alert system goes crazy. The ultimate key to our happiness is letting go, and turning the incredible "fear" that motivates us into incredible love. Meditation and spirituality are essential to this moon position, the scorpio moon must make sense of the world, and must attribute significane to the pain and turmoil of life. Nialism is not an option.

posted February 24, 2005 06:58 PM              

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Traditionally, scorpio moon is often considered the "worst" placement for the moon sign

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I know... so's Capricorn

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I think scorpio moon is especially difficult for air or fire sign people

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And again.. so's Capricorn lol

posted February 24, 2005 07:08 PM              

What do you guys do when you are feeling down? Any suggestions? I no longer want to drive myself crazy.

posted February 24, 2005 11:17 PM              

and also why do you think Scorpio moon is considered such a difficult placement? I know that it's difficult but I'm not sure why. I would've thought Scorp being a water sign would vibrate to the watery, Cancerian influence of the moon.. So shouldnt Scorp be exalted there instead of in its fall -like the Sun is exalted in Aries - its a bit confusing.

posted February 25, 2005 08:39 AM              

Healing is the middle ground between destruction and creation, trying to heal others causes more sacrifices than ego. The ego is in it's fall.

many doctors and nurses have Scorpio moons or 8th house moons, it gives a drive to heal others, same as Scorpio Ascendant.

Any outer planet that touches pluto or a strong pluto gives a different feel, the outer planets in the 8th or scorpio are more creative and destructive while the inner planets try to find a middle ground or risk mood swings.

I feel very different than a Pluto conjunct Moon or a Pluto in the 8th person, so I would say Scorpio Moons are uncomfortable in earlier years with Pluto as a force so they risk losing their ego. Once they go through transformational live or die experience, they are reborn into creative souls who either destroy or create but always survive.

Pluto in the 8th, or outer contacts by Pluto give more strength early on, the Moon has to absorb, analyze and cope with more traumas. the moon rules guilt, Pluto rules traumas, this moon feels guilt if it's not healing other people's problems. Law enforcement, doctors, scientists, these are good professions for Scorpio/8th house inner planet people.

I know a lot of strong Pluto people and they have very little guilt compared to moon in Scorpio/8th, it's good to hang out with strong Plutos, or strong Moons because they relieve the pressure.

The moon in it's fall has guilt issues over motherhod and similar to moon in the 1st or aries, feels overwhelmed by mother. good example, Madonna the singer-moon in the 1st, had her first baby in a conflicted way, created an icon that is anti-mother, replaced her mother in her own family. Talked about guilt and sex, frankly and honestly. Very moon/1st. Another sexually shocking icon from the 80's Prince has Pluto conjunct Moon.

posted March 02, 2005 07:36 AM            

My Moon in Scorpio puts me through an emotional roller-coaster & my Aries Sun ha tough time working out the whys & hows..!!
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posted March 02, 2005 01:24 PM              

I have a 1st house Scorpio Moon and Ascendant and what this does as far as I see it is take all that fire and brimstone emotion, all that angst and love and hate, passion and lust, obsession and devotion, perception and paranoia, so on and so forth, that is inherent in being a Lunar Scorpion, doubles it all due to the double-influence - and then lets you discover through torturous experience that you can't put up the pluto wall, you can't hide it, you don't simmer underneath or let your eyes blaze with the conntrol most Scorpions aren't aware they have been blessed with. You have to suffer through wanting to do this, needing to do this, but finding yourself emoting and obsessing and getting in drama that although is true to you, represents only the raw reaction inside, which as governed by Pluto will only ever be of nuclear proportion anyway. And then comes the terrible regret, and I bet its others who have accused you of drama. And over time as these incidents have built in number you are now of the mind they are right.

And with a Scorpio always needing to be strong, having its source of power turned into the biggest weapon to be used against itself is a ***** isn't it?

At least I'm guessing I might be right.

posted March 02, 2005 02:14 PM              

I am very moody from both my sun and my moon and sometimes I just stare and stare but then I feel bad because it makes me feel mean not to answer someone but only stare at them because I am in a Mysterious, Deep-water mood. In a romantic situation I would love for the person to understand and not have hurt feeling because of it and not intrude on my being BUT all the while show me that they would like to involved and Then the minute that I am back from my floatings they bound up and throw themselves on me; no questions asked or if there are questions asked they are very gentle ones that don't offend my sense of being. Just that alone would take someone who loved me very completely and who knows me very completely and of course accepted me very completely. That is what would please me in that Scorpio moon influenced situation.
So there you have it. A dramatic and tortured piece which I am sure illustrates the situation much more than the actual explanation. Don't be mean to me.

Also, I feel like I can't be totally my self. I have thought that Libra sun/Scorpio moon/Sag. ascendant was an odd placement because they come right one after the other. And Libra is being forced "along" by Scorpio and Scorpio is being forced "along" by Sag. AND THEN going backwards Sag is being ignored by Scorpio and Scorpio is being semi-ignore by Libra. It's alot.

posted March 02, 2005 02:36 PM              

You scare the crap out of other people as much as you do yourself. You are always the most emotionally honest person whomever you are with at the time wiill have met.

People do not like being exposed for a million different reasons. So they lie. Or cool off emotionally as they can. You don't have either choice do you? No.

Many times I have been told that I wear my heart on my sleeve, and this is great advice because it always signals to me that I am talking to an idiot and can avoid further conversation with them in future. It is far more complicated than that...and FAR more worthy.

The biggest problem I find is a fluctuating sense of self that means I have to assert my power and over-compensate when my strength and individuality return. This of course leads to confusion for those around and an always uncertain social image/position blah blah. Like having to start over all the time to prove yourself to your friends, knowing something will set you at odds with them, while the vacuous annd superficial people around maintain character stability as they don't have a firestorm to contain.

I personally think other Lunar Scorpions have a much easier ride and can only empathise so far. Its like having all those secret Pluto fears stripped down and exposed to the World, with no way of covering them up.

But boy, do we feel the very essence of existence. The emotions and energies that permeate and construct everything and everyone. Its deeper than the ocean, and so is your soul.

So, when people label you a "Drama Queen" or a "Trouble-Maker", do they REALLY have any bloody idea what they are talking about?

Consider that.

posted March 02, 2005 03:12 PM              

It's so good to know that someone out there understands and experiences the same emotions I do. I also make people confused about me. I tend to want to strip them of their power to prove myself that I'm in control.

Do you really think that we do sense what other people are feeling? I have a hard time believing this and that's what causes me to act the way I do. I ask questions and test people all the time to find out how they feel about me (men in particular). I think that I just need to relax and just trust my intuition but that's better said then done, right?

Thank you so much for your encouragement. I really do need it.

posted March 02, 2005 03:31 PM              

Now the fact that I have even more water giives me different problems, but for you this is the essential split within that causes your internal conflict and confusion.

You are just going to have to realise that your 5 senses give you a preview of reality. And then the Scorpio parts come into it.

It goes beyond sensing what people are feeling (this is me talking as a Pisces now, be warned) it is more to do withh the fact that they are all one part of the same universe as me and you. And you feel the link, its as if their emotions are yours. I would imagine it is very difficult for you to remain uunaffected by someone in either a great or a terrible mood as if you were in their shoes, not just pleased for them or conveying sympathy.

This I believe is the deeper secret of Scorpio Moons in that when they try to heal they are attemping to heal themselves. And subconsciously the ingrates feel this and back off. When you feel you have "solved" someone, or "fixed" them, how do you feel about them afterwards?

I am not an expert on Capricorn's so cannot really give you any info on how this would filter your energies, but maybe if you had some more of your placements a fuller picture could be painted.

And its my pleasure.