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Christinaeavynwarner
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posted April 03, 2005 02:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what does that mean? Is it bad?

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Azalaksh
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posted April 03, 2005 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Christina,

No placement is "bad" or "good". There is the flow of energy, there are challenges and blockages. Attempting to boil one aspect down in such a polarizing way is a pointless excercise.

What planets in your chart aspect Saturn and what sign is it in?

The following is an excerpt from an excellent book by Liz Greene called "Saturn - A New Look at an Old Devil". It's just the beginning of the chapter on Saturn in II. Please pick it up at the bookstore if you can -- anything by Liz Greene is well worth reading.

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The second house is traditionally that of acquisition and possessions. From it one may assess the individual’s capacity to earn a livelihood, his attitude toward those things which he defines as security, and the manner in which his income is likely to be derived. This is a fixed and earthy house, and the emotional need of a secure foundation is suggested, a desire rather than the outcome of desire. All of the houses connected with the fixed signs appear to have some bearing on one’s values, on the desire nature, and on instinctual reactions of a habitual kind. They have little bearing on events or objects. If this group of houses is considered as the reflection of a man’s desire nature, it would appear that greater depth of meaning exists in relation to the second house and that it is not merely the house of possessions. Possessions are merely a simple and tangible form of satisfying desire.

The urge to possess something outside oneself and make it a permanent possession appears to be a collective need whether the desired “something” is a person, a value, a state of consciousness, or an automobile. It is then the man’s possession, in a deeper sense than physical ownership, because he values it. It is of worth to him, and therefore it has meaning. That which is desired through the second house only applies to material things if these have value; and although the majority of people at present place the highest value on these things, it has not always been the case nor will it necessarily continue to be so as the collective consciousness of man develops.

The second house may apply as much to relationships as it does to money in the bank since possession of a valued object is often closely connected with what we define as love. In the end, however, the possession of worth which is truly a permanent possession can only be a quality within the individual himself. There is nothing else in life which is permanent and unalterable except those attributes which we term spiritual. Everything else may be lost, destroyed, taken away, or devalued. It seems that the desire for values, not only tangible but mental, emotional, and spiritual as well, is more representative of the second house than possession.

It is the definition of value – a nebulous and relative term – which becomes important when planets are located in the second house for the meaning of expression of each planet then becomes a value. Of all the planets only Saturn appears to have an exclusively material value, but as we have seen, this is deceptive because his function is to demonstrate the relativity of all tangible values. Through Saturn everything on the material plane takes on new meaning because it is seen as a symbol for an inner quality or state of being. Security may be defined very differently when viewed in this way.

The simplest reading of Saturn in the second house is fear of poverty, and certainly this placement frequently accompanies a childhood spent in want where the luxuries of material life, and sometimes even the necessities, are lacking. This is Saturn on his most literal level where he denies a material quality necessary to the individual’s well-being so that later in life there is a constant need to fill the gap. We have all come into contact with the self-made man who has struggled from the bottom of the heap by his own dogged efforts and has finally succeeded in accumulating some money in the bank, a house, an automobile or two, and other symbols which society has taught him to interpret as security. Saturn in his most unconscious form is eminently conventional in these matters, and Saturn in Taurus as well as the second house has a penchant for accepting as values only those which society accepts and therefore makes apparently stable. Yet the self-made man with a second house Saturn is often so frightened of losing what he has so laboriously acquired that he may not be able fully to enjoy what he has. He may be terrified of loss and display the remarkable facility – because he thinks about it so much – of attracting loss through his own bad judgment. He is frightened of the responsibility of ownership because he knows the pain of losing that which he owns, yet he is compulsively drawn toward collecting more and more. No amount is sufficient in the end to make him feel fully secure, and indeed he is not fully secure because forces larger than he can overturn his life and leave him bankrupt. He has invested wholly material things with value because he has never had them before and pays the price of trying to make an inner quality tangible.

There is another kind of pattern with Saturn in the second house which is outwardly opposite yet inwardly the same. Thisis the person who may have been perfectly comfortable as a child on the material plane yet who is denied a different kind of possession, a sense of inner values and of personal worth. One cannot blame this, or any other characteristic, wholly on the attitude of the parents, however, for the individual has chosen his environment in the first place and moreover would not be sensitive to certain values and not others if a similar note were not resonated within his own inner structure. So we will often see a person who, literally or symbolically, will sell himself for security because he has no other sense of values and in the end does not value himself. He judges himself and others by how much he has, not by what he is.


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Secret Garden
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posted April 03, 2005 11:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ack thats such a horrible prophecy in that last paragraph,

i bet my second house being scorpio would lead to an even more self destructive sort of attitude leading to adoption of those values

*runs away*

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posted April 06, 2005 11:15 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://groups.msn.com/interpretations4/saturnin2nd2.msnw

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posted November 12, 2015 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poupoupidou     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Christinaeavynwarner:
what does that mean? Is it bad?

It depends how saturn is aspected in the second house. If it is connected with unsupportive or harsh aspects, this could lead to excessive generosity, for example, or an incapacity develop structures supporting your autonomy.

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posted November 23, 2015 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonlight swan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My saturn is also retrograde in 2nd house pisces. How could pisces add to the 2nd house energy of retrograde saturn? My saturn:
trines my Rx mercury in scorpio (H 9)
sextiles my moon in Capricorn (H12)
Squares pluto in scorpio (H10)
sextiles ascendant in Capricorn
trines midheaven in Scoprio
semisquare both Neptune and Uranus in Capricorn

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