posted April 04, 2005 02:07 AM              

for Me (female)
born on 19 June 1982 local time 07:49 am
in New York, NY (US) U.T. 11:49
74w00, 40n43 sid. time 00:42:31

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Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Gemini 27°52'09 12 direct
Moon Taurus 29°31'58 11 direct
Mercury Gemini 07°46'37 11 direct
Venus Taurus 22°54'09 11 direct
Mars Libra 08°19'27 03 direct
Jupiter Scorpio 00°32'22 04 retrograde
Saturn Libra 15°29'54 04 stationary (D)
Uranus Sagittarius 01°34'37 05 retrograde
Neptune Sagittarius 25°36'24 06 retrograde
Pluto Libra 24°10'45 04 retrograde
True Node Cancer 13°22'33 12 retrograde

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Cancer 27°29'48
2nd House Leo 17°27'11
3rd House Virgo 11°17'51
Imum Coeli Libra 11°33'31
5th House Scorpio 18°15'37
6th House Sagittarius 25°34'35
Descendant Capricorn 27°29'48
8th House Aquarius 17°27'11
9th House Pisces 11°17'51
Medium Coeli Aries 11°33'31
11th House Taurus 18°15'37
12th House Gemini 25°34'35

Major aspects
Sun Trine Jupiter 2°40
Sun Opposition Neptune 2°16
Sun Trine Pluto 3°41
Moon Conjunction Venus 6°38
Moon Quincunx Jupiter 1°00
Moon Opposition Uranus 2°03
Moon Sextile Ascendant 2°02
Mercury Trine Mars 0°33
Venus Quincunx Neptune 2°42
Venus Quincunx Pluto 1°17
Venus Sextile Ascendant 4°36
Jupiter Sextile Neptune 4°56
Jupiter Square Ascendant 3°03
Uranus Trine Ascendant 4°05
Neptune Sextile Pluto 1°26
Neptune Quincunx Ascendant 1°53
Pluto Square Ascendant 3°19
Numbers indicate orb (deviation from the exact aspect angle).

posted April 04, 2005 02:29 AM            

I totally admire you for accepting your own bad temper- that's really great.
The best thing for me to offer you right now is to observe your thoughts when you react to a situation.
Re-evaluate why you thought what you thought.
And question everything, and you may find your anger stems from an underlying issue.

Lots of Love

posted April 04, 2005 02:37 AM              

Gems are blessed in many ways, but we are not born with a lot of self-awareness. When we are tempermental it's largely due to being at odds with our emotions. We have to learn to be aware of our emotions and be aware of how our cerebral Sun instinctually tries to suppress them. Gem Suns prefer communciating through ideas, and emotion tends to fuddle that up. Intense emotions blurs our thinking and drains our energy very quickly. The one way to solve that problem is to ignore our emotions...until they build up and explode. Immature Gems often resort to this, usually because they haven't spent the time or have the patience to learn better, healthier ways of dealing with emotions. But we can do it - it just takes time.

You're a very emotional Gem too, with a Tau moon and Ven. You have no short supply of intense emotional responses, and you're likely highly sensitive, especially about criticism (like what I'm giving you now). It's likely your negative emotional responses are very intense, difficult to suppress and thus escalate quickly.

posted April 04, 2005 02:39 AM            

I have Gemini Rising!- I used to find it very difficult to accept crisitism.
It actually always hurt me emotionally.

posted April 04, 2005 06:13 AM              

On the other hand, there's the other extreme. TOO much temper. Ppl who get angry constantly and have real issues with controlling their temper. No extreme is the answer. It's best to be able to be somewhere in the middle.

But give me a bad temper over suppresed anger and fake "FALSE" cutsey cutsey "OMG I loveee everyone so freaking much I'm going to explode" - behaviour.... any day

posted April 04, 2005 08:40 AM              

I have always been told I am very defensive. Which I am.

My bad temper scares me at times. Me and my mom are so much alike we fight. Not all the time though.

Ouch imagine 2 geminis going at it!

posted April 04, 2005 10:35 AM              

I also liked your post.

SBM -

My daughter was also born in 1982. She is an aries; her temper, growing-up, was out of control (most days!). Still doesn't take much for her to go over the edge. I can lose my temper pretty easily, too.

What I especially like about your chart is your gemini sun. It is a very logical sign. Also, your venus is in taurus. Venus is the ruler of taurus. You are probably demonstrative, affectionate, and loyal to friends and family.

Your sun opp neptune - that can be a tough aspect. Neptune can incline a person toward escapism, or make it hard to figure out fantasy from reality. Could mean some kind of psychic problem, as well. I have checked this out in detail because I also have this opposition. The truth is, your emotions could become unbalanced at times - which could lead to temper tantrums. Maybe you should also be extra careful with anything that could become addictive.

The main thing, is that as you get older you will probably automatically just start to calm down. Age can do that. After you get hit with enough catastrophes, you begin to figure out what is important and what is not (and what to get upset about, and when to just ... "let it go").

posted April 04, 2005 04:37 PM              

Key I know what you mean. My cousin is an aries and so is my best friend. I thought my temper was bad!

But for some reason aries are the only ones who can understand my temper tantrums. I guess that is why many of them have been my best friends growing up.

posted April 04, 2005 05:40 PM            

Take care : :

posted April 04, 2005 07:10 PM            

Whosoever of us is not enlightened is bound to be conflicted, and somewhat in denial as regards their darker side. And any unenlightened person who speaks the truth 24/7 is bound to be something of a hypocrite. As far as I'm concerned, that much goes without saying.

Nonetheless, I think there is something to be said for a person who holds fast to their ideal; who habitually and consciously EXPRESSES only love and light, despite the residual darkness in their subconscious. Granted, it must not be a question of trying to please everyone, and, so, practicing to deceive, but, rather, it must entail an actual identification with that higher part of ourselves, so that we do in fact sacrifice and rise above our more petty drives. It is a tightrope walk. But god bless the person who attempts it without a net, while the audience is less than sympathetic, but, ever poised to point their fingers and laugh, if you should happen to fall.

I believe one must find an outlet for that sh!t beyond society; a way of expressing one's darkness constructively, without directing it at others, or at oneself, and only then can they make their peace with it. Otherwise, they are just giving in to the darkness, fanning the flames, or casting bad bread upon the waters, so to speak, as we are all wont to do from time to time.

One needs a confidant, a confessor, and, if at all possible, a safe place, a “free-for-all”. But, is there such a place in society? Among strangers?
When one commits oneself to participate in society, and finds no such place, no such understanding, one must necessarily feel that the only way to be understood, really understood, is to express only love and light. And, if the person in question experiences an especially sensitive nature, they can hardly risk, time and again, being misunderstood. Yes, it is fine for the rest of us to say, “Go ahead, express your anger,” when we haven’t the slightest experience of what it feels like to such a person, to have to swallow that rotten bread when it comes back. And suppose it is the conscience of such a person, which is the most sensitive part; in this case, the expression of anger is even more painful and unimaginable than having anger directed at them!

But who can understand it?
And who, not inclined to understand, will make the effort?

Most of us are too jaded to recognize a genuinely good person when we meet one.
We are all so afraid of being duped.
We should be so lucky to be fools for God.

posted April 04, 2005 07:14 PM            

Reminds me of 'Serenity now, Insanity later'

Very true!

posted April 04, 2005 11:51 PM              

First of all let me say my post above was very much so coloured by personal experience and though someone on the boards might have triggered it, it was not intented to be about this person alone.. If it was I would have said it to the person.

Ok now HSC.. I’ll brake it up so I can answer everything you said..

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Whosoever of us is not enlightened is bound to be conflicted, and somewhat in denial as regards their darker side. And any unenlightened person who speaks the truth 24/7 is bound to be something of a hypocrite. As far as I'm concerned, that much goes without saying.

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So basically you’re saying any person who is in denial to the darker side of negative emotion- who speaks truth 24/7 is bound to be a hypocrite. Your sarcasm is hard to detect. If you actually meant this sentence it contradicts the rest of your post..

Nonetheless I agree with this statement for the following reason. If you are only in tune with one part of yourself, the “truth” you speak is bound to be more biased. Then again everyone’s truth is biased to some extent..and that IS fine as long as it truly is their truth, and not some concocted version.

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Nonetheless, I think there is something to be said for a person who holds fast to their ideal; who habitually and consciously EXPRESSES only love and light, despite the residual darkness in their subconscious. Granted, it must not be a question of trying to please everyone, and, so, practicing to deceive, but, rather, it must entail an actual identification with that higher part of ourselves, so that we do in fact sacrifice and rise above our more petty drives. It is a tightrope walk. But god bless the person who attempts it without a net, while the audience is less than sympathetic, but, ever poised to point their fingers and laugh, if you should happen to fall.

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It is a beautiful thing to express love and light and every positive emotion in the book. Expressing these emotions genuinely I believe is definitely the right way to identify with our higher selves. However I believe the word in that sentence that should’ve been in caps is ONLY, “expresses ONLY love and light despite the residual darkness….” Well I think we all agree the residual darkness IS there, regardless of whether you express it or not. Personally I place HONESTY right up there with other virtues like expressing LOVE and LIGHT.. I am not condemning the person who attempts to rise to their higher self through expressing positive emotions.. What I am condemning is the person who HAS TO lie to do so… wouldn’t a first step in getting to your higherself be to have honestly been rid of your residual darkness and negative emotions towards *the individual on the receiving end* so that you can honestly express Love and Light to them with a pure heart? :edit: and another question would be does saying the words love and light equate to feeling them.. does saying it make it so? do the words help you rise to your higher self or is the actual substance: the feelings behind the words

In my opinion the best way to get rid of that residual darkness or in any case, to have a lot less of it is BY expressing it and sorting things out.. Unless you express the way you feel, the real way you feel and are HONEST about your emotions WHEN negative … you can’t change them to being POSITIVE. It’s impossible to change your residual negativity to positivity unless you acknowledge it when it pops up, and it does pop up a lot of time for all of us, because like I said above we ARE all human..

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One needs a confidant, a confessor, and, if at all possible, a safe place, a “free-for-all”. But, is there such a place in society? Among strangers?
When one commits oneself to participate in society, and finds no such place, no such understanding, one must necessarily feel that the only way to be understood, really understood, is to express only love and light. And, if the person in question experiences an especially sensitive nature, they can hardly risk, time and again, being misunderstood. Yes, it is fine for the rest of us to say, “Go ahead, express your anger,” when we haven’t the slightest experience of what it feels like to such a person, to have to swallow that rotten bread when it comes back. And suppose it is the conscience of such a person, which is the most sensitive part; in this case, the expression of anger is even more painful and unimaginable than having anger directed at them!

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Yes by God, get a confidant find thy free for all place amongst thy fairy dust.

Ok, that’s some sarcasm but in all honesty I agree. It’s great to have a confidant (I do believe that confessing involves negative emotion none of which I’ve seen in the yet undiscovered lands of free for all *goes on a search for free for all in never never land* ) However I really don’t want to get into that topic again because as I said above and I’ll prolly repeat it a few times.. this wasn’t directed at one person. They are my views at this point in time and I came to have these views due to a lot of different experiences with different people both on and offline. Call that person the last drop that reminded me of posting this.. but it is definitely not directed at her, if it was I would’ve said it to her.

So bk on topic, as I said it’s great to have a confidant but this confidant does not absolve anyone of the moral duty of being honest with others and themselves (nor does someone’s sensitive conscience). If one honestly believes that the only way to be understood is through expressing ONLY positive emotions then I’m very sorry to say ONE is on the wrong track.. ONE is actually stuck in on of those car race video games where the over voice keeps yelling YOU’RE GOING THE WRONG WAY..

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But who can understand it?
And who, not inclined to understand, will make the effort?
Most of us are too jaded to recognize a genuinely good person when we meet one.
We are all so afraid of being duped.
We should be so lucky to be fools for God.

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Without sounding presumptuous or rude I have met genuinely good people. I have a little thing called intuition that I make assumptions on, on whether or not someone is genuinely good. HSC, you also have an intuition perhaps a lot better than mine, being a Scorp and you also make assumptions on that intuition of a person. But really in the scheme of things What is a genuinely good person? Because what my intuition perceives as genuinely good due to my upbringing, family background, star sign, own views and perhaps even my gender may be quite different to your perception of the word genuine. Therefore we not only have different “intuitions” but also different ideas about what we are looking for. Good and Bad are very debatable concepts, because they depend on a lot of factors and can not be judged objectively, since the human mind unfortunately or fortunately so is not an objective entity. Another reason why our laws are not objective. We may call them objective.. why? Because the law says they are. Who made the law? The people.. Are the people objective? Nope.. It’s a vicious circle. So while I can acknowledge your opinion of the goodness in someone, I most probably wont always agree..

HSC, I enjoyed reading your post and there were a lot of good points.. Again my post was not a personal attack on a person (though I could see why it came across that way but it honestly wasn’t, the person was just a reminder of a lot of other things to me), and I have a feeling that this was what prompted you to post. I can totally relate to that. If it was a friend of mine I would’ve also interpreted it that way and posted something in defence.

posted April 05, 2005 11:13 AM            

Hi. Okay. I like you, and I’m sure you’re on the level, and I’m entering into this discussion without any weirdness on my part, at least, as far as I can tell. Were you born in ’82, the year of the Dog? I am a Horse, and we both have a strong sense of justice, and we tend to relate well. I’m looking forward to this.

First, let me say that I’m already regretting many of the things I said, or the manner in which I said them. I am a very abstract thinker, so, just like you, minor aspects of individuals will often take on an archetypal life of their own in my thought world. If the ideas I express do indeed apply to the individual(s) I originally had in mind, that is not for me to say, but, the reader should always judge for themselves how applicable my words are to them. If the reader is simply trying to discover whether or not I am singling them out, in a personal way, let them do so by deciding whether or not my words apply to them in a more general way. In other words, if you are not to blame, then, I am not blaming you.

I agree, that looks like some serious sophistry. Some might read that and think “slick”. But that is not my intention. If the reader will only grant me the benefit of the doubt, and realize that I am a person with his Sun in the 9th house, and the likelihood that I am genuinely accessing my super-conscious mind when I write those things, I think we have a good chance at understanding each other. Honestly, I’m not about to consciously act like a d!ck, provided I can look good while doing it.

Second, I assure you that my comment about hypocrites was not sarcastic. I think, anyone who tries to express the better part of themselves is bound to be hypocritical, and, in this sense, I have sympathy for hypocrites; I am one, and I think there are worse things to be. ((I am also pretentious, because I try to express myself beyond my capacities. That’s fine too.))

I found this quote last night and it applies to the kind of hypocrisy we’re talking about:

“If you master these, I believe you will be better qualified to teach me than I am to teach you. For although all I have said about their efficacy is quite true, I am far from being very skilled in them. And so I sincerely hope that you will help me by becoming proficient in them yourself.”
- Anonymous Author of ‘The Cloud of Unknowing’

This is generally my attitude, but, uncommon as it is, it is no wonder that even good people might take it to be sarcastic, or a veiled jibe. And, given the holier-than-thou tone and style I tend to affect, its no wonder. But, honestly, my Merc/Mars in Sag, trine Jupiter in Leo seem determined to express themselves in no less grandiose terms.

You make some good points about honesty, and expressing ONLY love and light. Again, I point out that the important thing is to truly identify with the highest in oneself – that equates to honesty, - and, that it is a tight-rope walk, and those of us without a nagging awareness of how our words might be misinterpreted, may inadvertently EXPRESS something other than love and light, but that is unintentional, even on a subconscious level. It is not felt.

Pixie brought to my attention the notion that the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and, often consequences are more relevant. That is a valid point, and I have since learned to sympathize greatly with the person affected by the negative consequences of a well-intentioned act.

Having said that, I do not think the words “you shall know them by their fruits” applies in all cases, particularly, when one bites into an orange, expecting to find an apple. Some people’s words just need to be “peeled” before they can be swallowed. And, until such persons learn to be conscious of how others will interpret their words, they will continue – inadvertently – to dispense oranges, where apples are expected. If we know this, we will not be taken off guard; we will not imagine insult where there is none.

I agree, we need to express that darkness, somehow, when it crops up. It’s a delicate issue, one that requires more attention than I am prepared to give it at the moment, and, in any case, it does not apply to the matters to which I have been giving thought these past couple of days. I am more concerned about the person who genuinely does not feel those kinds of emotions, or, not in the outwardly directed manner in which you and I are accustomed to experiencing them. Can you imagine such a being, such a human? I could not, until I met one myself. Now, I am convinced that there are delicate souls living among us, who genuinely FEEL only goodwill toward others, and are pained as much by the pain they inflict as by the pain inflicted upon them. These are the habitually misunderstood souls who readily victimize, or martyr, themselves for the sake of others, and all too often, for the sake of those who would only use and abuse their uncompromisingly generous natures.

Granted, for 99.99% of all human beings, confessing does involve expressing negativity directed at others. But, the type of confession I am thinking of is something all together different. Perhaps confession isn’t the word. I meant to imply a place of understanding, and, by confessor, I mean a person who understands. Perhaps it is not the darkness that they are willing to understand, so much as it is the light. That is to say, that, if you do seem to express spite, while being a unique individual, who feels only love and light (and, at times, a deep sadness and concern for others), then, this person, this confessor, if he/she has any suspicion at all, will not rush to judgment, but, will ask you to explain exactly what you meant by that. Or, if your confessor trusts your goodwill completely, they will merely point out how another would be likely to misinterpret that statement.

So, imagining such a person, who feels only love and light, and, at the worst, a deep, empathic sadness for others – you will get an idea of what I mean when I say “a genuinely good person”. I am not trying to offend anyone by splitting hairs here, but, rather, I am talking about an honest to goodness saint*. The kind of person we would all be humbled by, if we could know their heart. Once you see that this is the kind of person in question, I believe you will admit that your concerns are inapplicable, however brilliantly they may be applied to the other 99.99% of us.

Thanks for listening,
HSC