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Topic: Nosiness
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Sweet Blue Moon
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posted April 05, 2005 12:20 AM
 
for Mami (female)
born on 13 June 1959 local time 12:00 noon
in Cali, COL U.T. 17:00
76w31, 3n27 sid. time 05:18:58 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Gemini 21°56'02 10 direct
Moon Virgo 15°29'07 12 direct
Mercury Cancer 04°18'28 10 direct
Venus Leo 06°59'48 11 direct
Mars Leo 07°33'19 11 direct
Jupiter Scorpio 24°04'05 03 retrograde
Saturn Capricorn 04°40'25 04 retrograde
Uranus Leo 13°29'02 11 direct
Neptune Scorpio 04°27'56 02 retrograde
Pluto Virgo 01°54'06 12 direct
True Node Libra 10°04'28 01 retrograde
House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Virgo 19°07'21
2nd House Libra 21°00'31
3rd House Scorpio 21°46'58
Imum Coeli Sagittarius 20°34'19
5th House Capricorn 18°39'43
6th House Aquarius 17°56'13
Descendant Pisces 19°07'21
8th House Aries 21°00'31
9th House Taurus 21°46'58
Medium Coeli Gemini 20°34'19
11th House Cancer 18°39'43
12th House Leo 17°56'13
Major aspects
Sun Square Moon 6°27
Sun Quincunx Jupiter 2°08
Sun Square Ascendant 2°49
Moon Conjunction Ascendant 3°38
Mercury Opposition Saturn 0°22
Mercury Trine Neptune 0°09
Mercury Sextile Pluto 2°24
Venus Conjunction Mars 0°34
Venus Quincunx Saturn 2°19
Venus Square Neptune 2°32
Mars Quincunx Saturn 2°53
Mars Conjunction Uranus 5°56
Mars Square Neptune 3°05
Jupiter Sextile Ascendant 4°57
Saturn Sextile Neptune 0°12
Saturn Trine Pluto 2°46
Neptune Sextile Pluto 2°34
Numbers indicate orb (deviation from the exact aspect angle). I am not sure of my mother's birth time. Can someone tell me what in her chart might explain why she is so nosy? I can recall since I was very young. She would go through my things and still does and also does the same to my sister.
She knows it and says she ahs the right to be in our business. And she loves spying on us when we are chatting about something.
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aries-chick
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posted April 05, 2005 12:26 AM
lol this is funny.. I didn't look at the chart just read what you said at the bottom.. and thought to myself hmm my mum's kinda noisy I'll have a look.. so I looked bk up at the chart and what do ya know Leo/Gemini/Virgo mixMy mum has a Leo sun Gem moon and Virgo Asc.. Yep she's noisy.. Though I have to say because I've always been so close to her she's used to me telling her everything.. so on the few occasions I don't it strikes her as very odd so she asks a billion q's and gets noisy lol IP: Logged |
Sweet Blue Moon
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posted April 05, 2005 12:59 AM
We usually tell her things alot so I guess that could be it too. Sometimes she says where's the rest of the gossip...then walks off when there's nothing left to hear.
You should see her in action.
Just 30 mins ago my cappy sister and I were gossiping in the kitchen. She was standing there the whole time listening, being very quiet, and just being her nosy usual self.
As she walked back to her room she started closing her door slowly while watching us.
We couldn't help but crack up. IP: Logged |
Gemini Nymph
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posted April 05, 2005 01:08 AM
Interesting question. I'm a Gem-Pis-Vir and I'm not really nosy. But my mom is and she's a Gem-Gem. God, she drives me nuts. I'm a very private person and she hates that I don't include her in on EVERYTHING. She's kind of competitive with me, so she always wants to know what I'm doing.My brother's kind of nosy. He likes to presume other people's business is his business too, so he can tell them want to do, how wrong they are and so forth. He really nosy with me too, because he's really competitive with me. He's a Leo-Ari-Sco. I'm not sure what placements might indicate nosiness - I just know that in my family's case it's the most insecure people who are the most nosiness. IP: Logged |
noreenz
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posted April 05, 2005 01:12 AM
Your mom is not much older than I am. Sure would be fun if my 22 year old daughter were into astrology as much as you are. I'd even settle if she were interested in it at all. Was your mom raised in Columbia? One of my best friends is from Columbia, I just love her and her mom. Do you know anything about reading tea leaves or is it tea cups??? lol Anyways sounds like your mom just wants to be with her girls, thats all. If she is really nosy going through your stuff, it just may be the way she was raised. I was raised totally opposite, to respect others privacy, so I even have a hard time reading something such as a letter found in a jean pocket.lol IP: Logged |
Secret Garden
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posted April 05, 2005 01:34 AM
My moms a Leo sun-Pisces moon-Virgo Asc and shes soooooooooooooooo NOSY. shes hacked my email, opened my mail, listened to my ph conversations, checked my ph bill, gone through my drawers and insulted my friends to get them to divulge information of course im not the greatest daughter in fact i may be just the opp, the more she tries to pry the more i hide, its true i do hide stuff, because there is a huge generation gap and she would never understand. when she found out about my bf that was 10 yrs older than me she had a cow quite literally and went ballistic on me, so that just proves my point, i lie to her as well and not ashamed of it she makes it a necessary evil not like she discloses everything i always find out last in the entire extended family what shes thinking, doing, saying etc sucks SG IP: Logged |
Sweet Blue Moon
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posted April 05, 2005 02:54 AM
I CAN ADMIT I AM VERY NOSY! I JUST DON'T SPREAD PEOPLE'S BUSINESS. PEOPLE ALWAYS TELL ME GOSSIP BECAUSE I AM QUIET.
Your mom is not much older than I am.
Sure would be fun if my 22 year old daughter were into astrology as much as you are. I'd even settle if she were interested in it at all.
MY MOM'S A GEM SO I ADMIT THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE SHARE OUR DREAMS TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT POLITICS AND EVERYTHING. WE DO FIGHT ALOT SOMETIMES. I HAVE TOLD HER ABOUT ASTROLOGY AND SHE LIKES LISTENING. I SENT HER INFO ABOUT HER CHART IN E-MAIL. Was your mom raised in Columbia? One of my best friends is from Columbia, I just love her and her mom. Do you know anything about reading tea leaves or is it tea cups??? lol
MY MOTHER WAS BORN AND RAISED IN CALI, COLOMBIA UNTIL THE AGE OF 14. SHE THEN MOVED HERE WITH HER FATHER, MOTHER, 2 BROTHERS AND SISTER.
BY THE WAY IF YOU WANT TO BE NOSY ONE BROTHER IS A GEM, THE OTHER IS A TAURUS, AND HER SISTER IS AN ARIES.
MY GRANDMOTHER IS AN ARIES ALSO! AND MY GRANDFATHER WAS A SCORPIO. HE DIED IN JULY. THEY HAD BEEN DIVORCED FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS. I MISS HIM EVEN THOUGH WE WERE NEVER THAT CLOSE. WE DID HAVE OUR SHARE OF HUGS THOUGH WHEN WE WOULD SEE HIM.
Anyways sounds like your mom just wants to be with her girls, thats all. If she is really nosy going through your stuff, it just may be the way she was raised. I was raised totally opposite, to respect others privacy, so I even have a hard time reading something such as a letter found in a jean pocket.lol I don't know she is the only one who is like that. yet she was never strict. It's wierd.
I think she just has a serious case of nosiness.
YOU SHOULD VISIT COLOMBIA ONE DAY. IT IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY. TO BAD THE BAD PEOPLE HAVE RUINED IT.
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Sweet Blue Moon
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posted April 05, 2005 02:56 AM
Oops forgot when you said:Do you know anything about reading tea leaves or is it tea cups??? lol
Do you mean people who can read tea leaves in a cup and see things?
No LOL. I wish.
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lovely*
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posted April 05, 2005 12:47 PM
my ma is a virgo, pisces moon and while she is not nosy, when she does happen to over-hear something *gossip* she tends to twist facts and make up her own details to a pathetic degree. IP: Logged |
key
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posted April 05, 2005 01:22 PM
My mom is leo sun, rising, and moon. She is and always has been a star. Fortunately, she works well with all of my aries. She has never been nosy. She just assumes that I am another star. I talk to her every day. She makes me feel good.Now, I am nosy with my children. Very nosy. I am generous, but I want to know all of the details. I am not above justifying scheming little ways to uncover the facts (yes, and to be perfectly honest - snooping, at times). Bills paid? House clean? Dating anyone? Weight down? Eating correctly? Exercising? Studying? Getting along with your roommate? Been to the dentist? etc., etc. Then I offer my advice (as I do here). Sometimes they roll their eyes at me, sometimes they ignore me, and sometimes they listen. They always know how much I love them. KEY IP: Logged |
Gemini Nymph
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posted April 05, 2005 05:48 PM
I'm sure you feel that you love them, key, and that they want to believe you are doing it out of love - you're their mother. But even mothers can have control issues and need to learn boundaries. Frankly, reading your post made my skin crawl - I hope you do have a healthy relationship with your children. Otherwise some of what you claim is grossly codependant, intrusive and inappropriate, even if you are their mother. And especially, I find no justifiable excuse for snooping and sneekiness, unless you had just cause to think one of your children were in grave danger...and that, only *maybe.* I am much more for the "let the fledgings leave the nest and learn to fly on their own" method of parenting as opposed to the "neverending umbilical cord" way myself. But I guess I can't really talk, seeing I don't have and never want to have kids (thanks in part to my own mother). My mom was inexcusibly nosy once when I was in college and it changed our relationship greatly and for the worse - I was pregnant, had just found out, and hadn't had a chance to think it over yet. My mom, sensing I was concerned about something andhad gone to the doctor recently, called and weaseled info from a nurse. I was an adult at that point, and it wasn't her right, especially seeing she didn't have enough respect for me to simply ask me first. Of course, she thought she did it out of motherly love, but I disagree, knowing her as I do. Her disrespect and sneakiness over that profoundly hurt my ability to trust her and it figured into my desicion to have an abortion. I didn't want to have an abortion, but stuck between an untrustworthy mother and a psycho ex-boyfriend (the father) who was threating to kill me (both Geminis, go figure), I felt I had no other viable option. Even though I've forgiven her for that incident, that I know I can't trust her is one of the reasons I'm glad I don't have kids - I would hate to deprive my children of their grandmother but also would seriously question her as influence on them. And honestly, I feel sorry for my mom - her mom was a cold, distant Cap, and she has always tried to neurotically overcompensate for her upbringing. But that means, basically, my mother's insecure and has control issues. I feel I've been pushing her away all my life out of self-preservation and that she's always being trying to force me to be the daughter *she* wants.even though it's simply not who I am. If she hadn't been so controlling as I was younger, I suspect things would be different now. All the same, I feel she's reaped what she's sowed. She obviously didn't trust me, and so I've learned not to trust her. IP: Logged |
Secret Garden
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posted April 05, 2005 06:57 PM
Key I respect where your love is coming from , but I don't agree with its behavioral manifestations. Gem Nymph, youre right on the dot about snoopiness actually ruining a relationship and placing resentment where there was trust and love. By snooping a person tells me that they think they are far superior to me, i am stupid, and they don't trust me. I hate all three of these things with a passion, so how can i love the person who does them? if my mom had opened channels with me and guided me gently instead of invading my privacy in a Big-brother fashion I would have a lot more respect and perhaps love for her. Too bad, she could'nt understand. SG IP: Logged |
lovely*
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posted April 05, 2005 09:53 PM
GN, you just gave me a little perspective with my own daughter regarding control issues. I grew up with very little supervision and basically I was the parent, not the child. I grew up quickly. Its all over my astrology-4th house stuff ya know. What struck me about your post is how I try to be all that my own mother wasn't. I'm pretty strict. Initially I allowed very few freedoms, and for a gem kid with no earth, that is NOT something to do apparently. She began rebelling wiht tantrums, acting out, biting, just overall nasty socially. Anyway, we are over this now, but discipline was lacking in my own life, therefore I pressed my own daughter. So far so good, but I do have to check my behaviour often, because some of these reactions are so unconcious. Anyway, good post GN. That being said~ I'm sure key is like most mothers. Looking out for her children's best interest. My MIL is one of those Jewish moms who presses ME to "make" my husband go in and have his cholestorol checked. Of course I will remind him, but what she and many mothers fail to realise is, picking at your husband and doing your work plus thier work cripples them spiritually. Just IP: Logged |
Secret Garden
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posted April 05, 2005 10:14 PM
I dont know why most Gem girls I know feel oppressed by their parents, and its true, most of the ones I know have been smothered by this kind of privacy invading behavior. Whereas Linda even says in her part on the Gemini child that we need more freedom than most, and we need to learn from our own mistakes, by spirit we are explorers and inquisitive, and by invading our privacy we feel controlled and suffocated. For an earth or fire sign or even water it might be different, the stability and structure and control needed, but every Air sign child that I have seen treated like this has gone wayyyyy rebellious, even normal conventional ones that wouldn't have turned that way if things had just remained normal. Because Air needs to move about , it needs to be free to move, if it is stagnant, like water, it will become unhealthy. And if you try to suffocate or smother or capture it then you're just going to lose eventually. My Libra bro rebelled against the entire family system and just dumped our entire family to go live a completely unconventional life of his own because he felt smothered and controlled, yes it is partly his fault for leaving us after having used us, but its true that my mother is more of a smother than a mother, shes a sweetheart, but she needs too much to feel important and needed, I think its a Leo thing, plus with that Pisces stellium she is quick to get injured when not involved in every single thing anyone else does around her. It takes a very careful, patient, almost to the point of stoic neurotic kind of person to deal with her, nevermind keeping her happy coz thats not possible! SG IP: Logged |
lovely*
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posted April 06, 2005 01:53 AM
SG, you're right about gemini needing independence..but as a child I did also. It even says it in my numberology, that I was destined to be the parent to my parent. Bizarre but this is where astrology or any metaphysical science becomes interesting because, if you were to look at ones chart, you would see certain leanings, issues, strengths, weaknesses. Yet we also have some power -supposedly- to change this destiny. Obviously i had no control over my own childhood right? Funny my best friend is Gem and he said the only thing he ever did wrong in his childhood was "deprive his mother of being a mother". Other than his learning problems in school he was a "perfect" little being. IP: Logged |
key
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posted April 06, 2005 09:57 AM
Hi SG and Gemini Nymph -You are absolutely right! My behavior has been way too conrolling at times with my children. Actually, my son had a drug problem, and that is when I also got out of control with my behavior. I kept trying to take charge and to save him. Of course, it didn't work. I had to get a lot of help to let him find his own path - and to learn to back out of the picture. I used to search his room regularly, listen in to phone calls - pretty bad behavior on my part. I probably conributed to his problems. However, he did - in the end - come to me and ask for help. He went to a total of (3) rehabs. We pretty much spent our last dime in getting him help. Best money we ever spent. In the end, though, he helped himself. But, you are all right. That phase is over. My daughter currently lives in SF. She calls me twice a day, every day. We are very close. When I get too invasive, she says ... "Bye, Mom. Gotta go". She has her own life. She calls me "her wind beneath her wings". So, my children are doing well and I really do have an excellent relationship with both of them. They know me and all of my faults. I know them and all of their faults. A lot of history. A lot of acceptance. KEY IP: Logged |
key
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posted April 06, 2005 12:56 PM
You know what? I have been worrying about my nosiness all day. I asked my son if I was too nosey and interfering - He said, "Not really." I feel better. Still, I am just going to cut it off when I start worrying about my children.Today is an important day for me. It is my birthday. I am 54. KEY IP: Logged | |
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