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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted April 20, 2005 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not a Virgo, but my chart ruler is Saturn in Virgo (8th), so I can probably relate.

Suffice it to begin by saying that it sounds to me like a very difficult sign to master, whatever the placement. Like all difficult signs, the potential for both positive and negative expression is increased.

The strength and weakness of Virgo would be found in progressive vs. excessive fault-finding. The key to positive expression would be in allowing oneself to accept some small taste of satisfaction in having effected, or, at the very least, having tried to effect, gradual improvements, despite the fact that perfection remains eternally out of reach.

True evolution would begin by accepting the imperfection of the world as fact indeed ("I know the horizon recedes on the crest of an eternal dusk."), so that we are not rudely awakened by every successive fault that appears. Let it remind us of our keenness of perception, rather than torment us for having failed to percieve it sooner!

Fault exists, in things, in people, and in ourselves. Sounds obvious, especially to Virgos, but it isn't. Its a painfully, slowly, ever dawning realization. In fact, if we were to realize this truth in full, that would become the instant of our enlightenment.

So, what keeps the average Virgo mind (which is far from average) from accepting/transcending this fact?

It is the negative reinforcement we give ourselves every time we percieve a blemish in the fabric of space/time, and do not spontaneously forgive it. We want to forgive it, even as we want to correct it. Can't we do both? Will we still have the motive to correct what we have already forgiven?

Yes and no.

If we are using our energies to denounce a person or situation for being who or what it is, at a given moment, and to force that person or situation to accord with our immaculate vision of how reality "ought to be", we will quickly exhaust ourselves. The most efficient method of utilizing our energies is by seeking first to understand the person or situation in all its ramifications. When we penetrate to the depths, we must come eventually to the realization that our search is essentially ironical, but it is not impractical, it is not in vain. These ramifications are indeed infinite, and our understanding must remain forever incomplete. Yet, in coming to the realization that we can only explain a person or situation "in part", we have already substantially transcended the person or situation, and begun to grasp the unseen whole, of which they are merely a part.

There is no flaw in this logic, for, although we must return at length to face this person or situation as a distinct entity, we will be imbued with a general tolerance for them as such. Indeed, if there is residual bitterness, it will be directed at "God", or, the whole of which they are a part. This is another matter, and one not so easily explained away, but, for the time being, we shall have learned not to blame the person or entity for the newly ~percieved~ foibles of their creator, or source. That source, although seemingly incapable of excusing itself, can yet provide an excuse for everything under the sun, and that is saying something.

Lacking this transcendent acceptance, we will necessarily persist in blaming ourselves, others, and all things, simply for being who or what they or we are. We will exhaust our energies in the less constructive channels of blame, resentment, and inhibition. Persistent self-criticism merely saps our strength and enthusiasm for effecting change (after all, why bother if its never enough?), and it does the same to those we criticize (if they still chance to be listening).

The only way to motivate others and ourselves to achieve our highest ideals (and they are likely to be quite out of reach), is not by lowering our standards, but, by inspiring us symultaneously with a deep appreciation, or sympathy, for the realities of our current position, and a solid faith in a brighter future.

This is why Libra immediately follows Virgo, for Libra teaches us to acknowledge openly the validity of situation, before we attempt to interact with it. We must humble ourselves to the reality (and, in essence, the validity) of a person's perspective, such as it is, before we proceed to confront them with a view altogether foreign to them.

If we would open their eyes to another perspective, we must first open our own eyes to something greater than the both of us. A bird's-eye view, which does not negate either perspective, but, valuing both, incorporates and blends them together in the context of a larger framework.

- Joseph Ratzinger (just kidding!)

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JUDGEMENT IS THE ANTITHESIS OF UNDERSTANDING.

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Scorpio_Rising
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posted April 20, 2005 11:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
see what people dont understand is that this world is perfect but not in the sense that you or i would believe. light and dark, black and white, balance and chaos all exist equally and that is the perfection. our world is balanced yet chaotic. even astrology which some would say is the most orderly science there is, is somewhat chaotic. yet there is a certain order to how the planets revolve and orbit and to which signs they frequent, the fact that no cofiguration of planets in signs will ever exists again ( or maybe) is chaotic in itself. Has anyone ever heard of the chaos theory? It is really interesting to learn about.

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posted April 20, 2005 11:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting, Heart-shaped-cross hahaha about the Joseph Ratzinger thing! lol! I caught that!

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posted April 21, 2005 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for running_bull     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, a lot of Virgo topics today. Normally I would ignore them because I am still in love with my ex Virgo. But had to chime in because something was spot on.

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Lacking this transcendent acceptance, we will necessarily persist in blaming ourselves, others, and all things, simply for being who or what they or we are. We will exhaust our energies in the less constructive channels of blame, resentment, and inhibition. Persistent self-criticism merely saps our strength and enthusiasm for effecting change (after all, why bother if its never enough?), and it does the same to those we criticize (if they still chance to be listening).

This has been proven to be absolutely true in my experiences with Virgo's. The part about negativity is also very true. Virgo's and it seems most mutable signs, can be easily swayed by anything even slightly negative. Whether it be experiences, hearsay or their own feelings of inadequacy. By inadequacy I mean that Virgos can put their mate on a pedestal and then not feel worthy of the mate. Even though they created the mates illusion of perfection. Maybe a Virgo could delve into that further, it always confused me.

Two other thing to know, Virgo's are very rarely satisfied with their own decisions (mutable waffling) and often pout, which can be cute.

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posted April 21, 2005 08:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While i appreciate and acknowledge what is trying to be conveyed here, i have to say that i am a little tired of people focusing on what is negative about virgo's. Yes virgo's can be critical and judgemental, but we also possess a heap of really great qualities that are hardly ever mentioned.Caring, kind, considerate, always there when you need help with no thought of reward, gentle, sweet and intelligent. How about talking about that stuff for a change? We as virgos are quite aware of our negative traits thankyou very much.Every sign has it's negatives maybe we could make a post that encourages everyone to work on their negative traits whatever they are. And also worth noting, we judge ourselves 100 times more harshly than anyone else, if you could only step into our heads for awhile you would see that it is no picnic being born under this sun sign.There i said my piece.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted April 21, 2005 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
suzyque,

Good points. I ought not to have titled this thread "everything...", since, as you pointed out, I do not make mention of many of their positive traits. I swear I'm not trying to jump on the bandwagon by being negative. I'm trying to act in the capacity of a healer, unqualified though I may be. So, how many doctors do you know who zero-in on what is healthy? That is not my style. I figure, "If it ain't broke, dont fix it," and I direct my attention to what needs changing.

Because there have been posts about Virgos in my environment (LL), it got me thinking about Virgos, so, this post is about Virgos. Like all of us, I have issues with all the signs, but, this thread, more than expressing issues, ought to convey my sympathy with your plight. And, going one step further, ought to suggest a solution born of a more loving and philosophical approach toward oneself and others.

My mother is a Virgo, and not an especially evolved type, so, yes, this does hit close to home for me, and, as much as I sympathize with her plight, I sympathize equally with my father, who has become her personal punching bag, and myself, who she gave birth to for no particularly maternal reason, and, due to my "overly sensitive" (one might say artistic) sensibility, proceeded to criticize into the ground (almost literally; I am still contemplating suicide, thank you very much). Yes, she is far to busy building walls around her, pushing pens, and shining her high-powered flashlight on every weakness (while providing no solution), to bother with manifesting the more "caring, kind, considerate, always there when you need help with no thought of reward, gentle, sweet and intelligent" sides of her nature. And it is this problem, which I doubt is unique to my family, that I wish to address.

You say you are hard enough on yourself already, well, that is precisely the point I was trying to make. Furthermore, I was not merely beating a dead horse by pointing this out, but, I was only beginning my discourse by acknowledging the problem, and then proceeded to offer a permanent solution. This thread applies to the Virgo in all of us.

Believe me, my Saturn in Virgo (Chart ruler, singleton, Squaring Neptune in Sag) can relate, and my first house moon has absorbed and my retro-venus had taken to heart every criticism that comes my way. My uncompromising sense of responsibility, and its perpetual haunting of my internal dialogue, has left me a quivering puddle of uselessness, thank you very much. And that is not my fault, nor is it the fault of any Virgo, but it does demand dialogue between the signs. If I am not a Virgo, that may suggest something other than my ignorance of Virgo concerns; it may suggest that I have another take on it, which others might benefit from listening to with an open mind.

If I express myself rather emotionally, it is only because my purpose is that sincere.

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posted April 21, 2005 11:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I live with one, they are very kind, the server and always willing to help, this for me, compensates for the criticism thing (which I am being told by my husband is more self-criticism) x

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posted April 21, 2005 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 21, 2005 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sue -

Sounds like you live with an evolved type.
You are very lucky.
My post was not directed to the evolved type.

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posted April 21, 2005 05:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I'm an evolved Virgo (whatever that means) ... Sorry about ur nutso mom HSC ... I agree with Suzy ... we have great, great qualities that many other signs truly lack and need in their lives ... We are sign that truly "CARES" about things, stuff and people ...

But I do have Virgo pals that are just negative and critcal and have turned up noses permanently attacthed to their faces ... It annoys the crap out of me cause I'm always looking for optimism and idealism and the better in people ... Virgos can get deep in their personal angst and disappointment with people in their life who they thought to "bring in" their perfect little world in the first place ...

... I forgive but can't forget and take it quite personal when I'm slighted cause 9 out of 10 times I'm stepping to the table as a real nice, awww shucks kind of guy who is pulling no punches ...

But that's my biggest shortcoming ... I keep on trucking and smiling and don't put my inner crap and turmoil on others ...

I know some negative, mean, bitchy, uptight Virgos and I thank the Lord everyday I'm not like that ...

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posted April 21, 2005 06:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I know some negative, mean, bitchy, uptight Virgos and I thank the Lord everyday I'm not like that ...

Its weird CNO732 (interesting name, btw), but that was the best piece of Virgo super-criticism I ever saw.

"It annoys the crap out of me cause I'm always looking for optimism and idealism and the better in people ... "

Or maybe you are just looking for perfection that you cannot see and that annoys you!

You just negated your own words with the merciless and pointless criticism you lashed out at all the other Virgoes in the world who dare to darken your perfect picture of what virgoes should be like.

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suzyque
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posted April 21, 2005 10:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok i can see where this post originally came from which is a really negative personal experience with a virgoan. Which could put a sour taste in your mouth for sure. So i do understand your frustration at your mom. Granted there are a few virgos out there like her, and truth be told i have been more than a little uptight, critical and cranky latlely with my family mostly because of circumstances that are making my life extremly difficult. But i think being a virgo has less to do with it than the fact that i have a combo social anxiety/depression going on. Not serious depression but enough to make me very irritable, oversensitive and cranky.

Maybe there are other things going on besides the fact that she is a virgo or maybe there were factors in her life that reinforced the negative aspects of her sign. Now i realized that i was miserable and was taking it out on my family so i did something about it and now i am much happier and easy to get along with. Just wanted to offer that a different perspective. I just don't like to see anyone lumped into a group because every one really is different i think it would benefit you more if maybe you looked at what other factors could be contributing to your mothers dysfunctional way of coming across to you. Just my opinion please don't take it that i think i know what is right or that i am preaching.

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