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ChildWoman
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posted May 22, 2005 04:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am at crossroads....i have myself decided to drift away from the person i love. ours has been a deeply emotional and passionate relationship(very very scorpio-like,just like the two of us)...it's been almost an year together with him(though it feels like a long time)...told him today that it's better to stay away than to allow myself be a hindrance to his life in any way...but my heart is weeping inside..the pain is too much to take...i'll pray today to God to show me the right path...i still love him very much....
Long time back i had done my synastry and composite with him...tonight i sit here with our charts in front of me but they refuse to speak...or perhaps i am way too depressed to make anything out of them.........
And so to all the people reading my post here ,i request you to guide me please...i dream of being his wife and he too is committed...the problem lies in our clashing ideals and my past which he does not accept(he is very very traditional,even with his aqua moon and i am a rebel-strange coz i have a capricorn moon)...i am very afraid to leave him alone for he is obssesive,suicidal,disintersted with life and depressed..Is there any ray of hope?....can we find happiness together?...what does this relationship mean?...what does our composite say?...do we stand a chance together???
Oh how i wish to hear from someone that our love is meant to be...i have always felt that we are soulmates..and somehow our relationship seems to be fated...starcrossed...I need you Knowflakes before it's too late...here is a link to our charts (composite and natals)-
http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=achart_zxcfileJrNP1 o-u1115916424.71148.1624.gif&res=100&va=

Thank you.God bless you.
Love and Light to all.

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ChildWoman
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posted May 22, 2005 04:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
if someone needs more info....

PLANETARY POSITIONS
planet sign degree house

Me:
Sun Scorpio 09°57'42 07
Moon Capricorn 11°15'27 09
Mercury Libra 21°21'05 06
Venus Sagittarius 26°48'58 08
Mars Virgo 07°08'57 05
Jupiter Libra 24°55'08 06
Saturn Libra 16°07'32 06
Uranus Scorpio 29°08'57 07
Neptune Sagittarius 23°01'41 08
Pluto Libra 24°53'47 06
True Node Cancer 25°26'27 04


HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)
Ascendant Taurus 04°01'37
2nd House Gemini 04°42'56
3rd House Gemini 29°09'04
Imum Coeli Cancer 22°31'12
5th House Leo 18°56'30
6th House Virgo 22°36'01
Descendant Scorpio 04°01'37
8th House Sagittarius 04°42'56
9th House Sagittarius 29°09'04
Medium Coeli Capricorn 22°31'12
11th House Aquarius 18°56'30
12th House Pisces 22°36'01

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Him:

PLANETARY POSITIONS
planet sign degree house
Sun Scorpio 22°17'25 06
Moon Aquarius 08°10'56 09
Mercury Scorpio 04°21'43 06
Venus Libra 18°16'35 05
Mars Sagittarius 24°18'22 07
Jupiter Libra 03°22'09 05
Saturn Libra 06°16'02 05
Uranus Scorpio 25°38'23 06
Neptune Sagittarius 21°18'17 07
Pluto Libra 22°52'37 05
True Node Leo 14°36'58 03


HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)
Ascendant Gemini 04°58'27
2nd House Cancer 00°37'35
3rd House Cancer 24°52'07
Imum Coeli Leo 21°18'00
5th House Virgo 22°40'35
6th House Libra 28°51'55
Descendant Sagittarius 04°58'27
8th House Capricorn 00°37'35
9th House Capricorn 24°52'07
Medium Coeli Aquarius 21°18'00
11th House Pisces 22°40'35
12th House Aries 28°51'55

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Composite Horoscope midpoint method
PLANETARY POSITIONS
planet sign degree house
Sun Scorpio 16°07'33 06
Moon Capricorn 24°43'12 09
Mercury Libra 27°51'24 06
Venus Scorpio 22°32'46 07
Mars Scorpio 00°43'39 06
Jupiter Libra 14°08'38 06
Saturn Libra 11°11'47 06
Uranus Scorpio 27°23'40 07
Neptune Sagittarius 22°09'59 08
Pluto Libra 23°53'12 06
True Node Leo 05°01'43 03/4
True Node is technically near the end of house 3 and is interpreted in house 4.


HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)
Ascendant Taurus 19°30'02
2nd House Gemini 17°40'16
3rd House Cancer 12°00'36
Imum Coeli Leo 06°54'36
5th House Virgo 05°48'33
6th House Libra 10°43'58
Descendant Scorpio 19°30'02
8th House Sagittarius 17°40'16
9th House Capricorn 12°00'36
Medium Coeli Aquarius 06°54'36
11th House Pisces 05°48'33
12th House Aries 10°43'58

Love and Light to all.



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Peri
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posted May 23, 2005 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Give me your DOBs please

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ChildWoman
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posted May 23, 2005 03:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ME- 2nd NOV 1981,
LOCAL TIME- 5 PM ,
PLACE:Almora,India

HIM- 14th NOV 1980, LOCAL TIME-5:45 PM,
PLACE:Jamshedpur,India.

Thanks PERI.
Love and Light to you.

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ChildWoman
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posted May 23, 2005 03:46 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oops i double clicked

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sue g
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posted May 23, 2005 04:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really feel for you and your man - me being Scorpio (heavily influenced by), can feel your pain. My first question would be a practical one, is your man getting help for his depression, The reason I ask, is this. I am with someone for 16 years but of late our relationship has been pushed to the limit - my depression almost drove us apart and he gave me the wisest ultimaton I ever had and that was to get help. Ive always gone for therapy and healing, but had let it lapse and then other things happened and I became vulnerable and very very sad. But now, with the help of good friends and healers I am well again. I couldnt stress enough, your partner must get help and you CANT carry him, I more than most realise this. I carried others all my life, and forgot to carry myself! Speak with him and if you like you can tell him I have felt suicidal, couldnt live with myself in the past, but I had a breakdown/through a few months ago and it was the best thing that ever happened to me - I see and feel differently now and am not so "entangled" in my relationships as I was. I feel Scorpio people at times are prone to "dark" spells, we are extremely sensitive, hide a lot and suffer in silence. I send you both love and healing and if I can help with anything, please ask - God bless you both love and understanding Sue (Sun,Venus, Neptune, Mercury,Jupiter in Scorpio)

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ChildWoman
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posted May 23, 2005 05:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

SueG, I somehow feel that you will be able to understand...you sound so similar...your reply moved me to tears...can i e-mail you please...

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ChildWoman
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posted May 23, 2005 05:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sue,he had gone for anti-depressants and councelling...he took these drugs for around four to five years and it's only recently that he quit...the docs say that the drugs are having other side effects on him...i thought it would be good to go for a good hypnotist or meditation but he doesn't listen...

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sweetlibra
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posted May 23, 2005 06:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dono how to interpret charts. But if u want someone to talk to u can mail me at shanon@lovzu.com
I can understand u

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Happiness is like a butterfly.
The more you chase it,
The more it will elude it.
But if you turn your attention to other things,
it comes softly and sits on your shoulders...

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sweetlibra
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posted May 23, 2005 06:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what is in ur past that he doesnt accept?
are ur ideals much different?
how did he react when u expressed ur wish to break -up?
do u feel that u have to take care of him from all vices?
have u ever felt like breaking away and inhale fresh air?
do u think u/he cant live without eachother?

love to u

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ChildWoman
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posted May 23, 2005 06:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'll mail u SWEETLIBRA

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Peri
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posted May 23, 2005 06:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey ChildWoman ,
I see so many powerful aspects in your charts that this relationship really seems fateful
I dont think you can drift away from the person you love so easily, there is some heavy karma involved so I am afraid you are just stick with each other for better or worse. But this is just my personal point of view. Your relationship has to be very painful and emotionally draining but the forces that keep you together are more powerful than both of you ...
I dont know whether it is a good idea to try and escape your fate, especially if you both love each other...
Love, understanding and patience... to both of you


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sue g
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posted May 23, 2005 08:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Childwoman, I felt after reading your response, that there is little you can do for this man at the moment. I have carried others including family members for too long and it has taken its toll on me. He has to get the help for himself, and I dont think the pills are the answer for him I feel he needs and caring and sensitiive therapist who will guide him through. Yes of course you can email me - bear with me I answer quicker on here than I do with my personal mail - my address is suziegoode@esatclear.ie - I wouldnt normally give this out, but feel you need the help, will do what I can- love and healing to you Sue xx

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sue g
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posted May 23, 2005 08:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi again, after signing off from the last message, I actually saw him "dragging you down", please mind yourself and your health, it can be very draining carrying someone who is ill xxx

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sweetlibra
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posted May 23, 2005 08:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I agree with Peri. I had many heavy aspects with my ex. It was very stressful for both of us. Still we were unable to drift apart. I had this feeling that it was my duty to make his future secured.
We struggled for 4 years. Finally i made him agree to do masters in business administration. I was the inspiration he agreed to do it.Else he would have been in a less earning job forever. Now he's doing it and i feel proud of him
Childwoman, i didnt mean this is the same with u. What i believe is that every relationship, every conflict is a learning experience. And if the partners are ready to learn together then everything should be well. But instead if they try to accuse or withdraw, then the learning experience will be very painful. Have meaningful conversations with him. put forward ur apprehensions. The actual break-up is very painful especially when we feel we have a responsibility towards the partner.
Love to you

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alanabelle86
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posted May 23, 2005 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think i know what you're going through, the love of my life was the same way. our ideals always clash and i cant stand it. we agree about nothing, so ive compromised to not talk and discuss things with him (i hate that cuz i love discussions but ill do it because hes the love of my life). but one thing, he can't accept my past at all, regardless of it being years ago. he thinks my mistakes are going to affect our relationship, and no matter how almost convinced he gets that it wont, he always comes back to it. (he's an aqua moon too...) theres been times when i wanted to just drop him and get on with my life. part of me is screaming at myself for not doing it, because i know i wouldnt stand for it myself. but our relationship is amazing and it feels fated so i held on and i keep holding on. what im getting at is, after looking at your charts, it seems fated. its always hard to leave the one you love. i think you should give it a try

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ChildWoman
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posted May 24, 2005 01:30 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel so nice hearing from all you wonderful people Today we had a long conversation over the phone... he asked me to give him another chance to undo his mistakes..an opportunity to give me the kind of love he always wanted to...so i guess we are back together Though i dont know for how long....

SWEETLIBRA,i have had sexual relationship with my ex...i thought that it would be fair enough to be honest and open and so i told him bout it at the very beginning of our relationship...however ,soon after this problems started cropping up...now this ex of mine is not a man of high morals...i have myself caught him having internet sex....ogling badly at other women...he even told me unabashedly that he fantasized bout one of my female friends....
Now my present man cannot accept the fact that i have been in an intimate relationship with such a b******(that's what he thinks of my ex and he adds so many more expletives to it!)
Well it's true(and i am greatful for that) that he's different from most men ..for he does not look beyond me..he respects women and treats them as fellow human beings and not mere mere sex-objects...however his obssesion with my past is going to extremes for not a single day goes without him losing his temper over it...

Even though not all our ideals clash,yet the ones that do are enough to make life hell for both of us...i am repelled by the idea that he wanted to join the army...i hate his facination for guns,daggers and weapons as i am completelty anti-war....i remember us having had long heated discusions regarding this....Then he has problems with my liberal independence-loving nature...my values...my anti-marriage stance(even though i do not think very highly of marriage as an institution ,i was the one to propose it first)....He fears that i wont be accepted by his parents...He is conservative and thinks of sex as mere lust...i was shocked the very first time he told me that partners in love should confine their relationship to mental, spiritual planes alone!i could not take his view for i think of sex as a highly spiritual experience that in itself is capable to take one to the Truth....he once wanted to be a recluse ..to give up all material pleasures...but i know that he desires me physically as strongly as i do... (even though he is ashamed of admitting it )... i hate it when he points fingers at my character...i almost feel that it cripples my self respect altogether...
then there are issues regarding me having more of male friend than female ones ...he gets extremely possesive and jealous....

To add to these is his depression....Yes SUE G u are right, i am not being able to do much for him...al i can do is show him the path...Can u please tell me what kind of therapy you went for?

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ChildWoman
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posted May 24, 2005 01:38 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
''I see so many powerful aspects in your charts that this relationship really seems fateful ''

PERI i am so excited to hear this!! PLEASE tell me what these powerful aspects are?? THANKS FOR SPARING SOME OF YOUR TIME FOR ME....

Love and Light.

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ChildWoman
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posted May 24, 2005 01:46 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SWEETLIBRA wrote:
''do u feel that u have to take care of him from all vices?''
Yes SWEETLIBRA yes i do....

''have u ever felt like breaking away and inhale fresh air?''
I have

''do u think u/he cant live without eachother?''
Yes, i feel we cant live without each other...we both find it HARD to let go of anything that means anything to us...

'' The actual break-up is very painful especially when we feel we have a responsibility towards the partner''
I agree to you....

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ChildWoman
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posted May 24, 2005 01:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
''I actually saw him "dragging you down", please mind yourself and your health, it can be very draining carrying someone who is ill ''

SUE G you are so right...you seem to understand so well...

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ChildWoman
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posted May 24, 2005 01:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
''Now he's doing it and i feel proud of him ''

God bless both of you SWEETLIBRA

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ChildWoman
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posted May 24, 2005 02:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
''so ive compromised to not talk and discuss things with him (i hate that cuz i love discussions but ill do it because hes the love of my life).''

ALANABELLE,i guess even we should do that..but he comes up with something or the other everyday and we end up fighting...


''he can't accept my past at all, regardless of it being years ago. he thinks my mistakes are going to affect our relationship, and no matter how almost convinced he gets that it wont, he always comes back to it.''

WOW!! your man sounds so similar!!

''theres been times when i wanted to just drop him and get on with my life. part of me is screaming at myself for not doing it, because i know i wouldnt stand for it myself. but our relationship is amazing and it feels fated so i held on and i keep holding on.''

EXCATLY HOW I FEEL DEAR....

''what im getting at is, after looking at your charts, it seems fated. ''
Which aspects tell you this??

Love and Light.

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ChildWoman
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posted May 24, 2005 02:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

''I dont know whether it is a good idea to try and escape your fate, especially if you both love each other...
Love, understanding and patience... to both of you ''

Thank you PERI...

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sweetlibra
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posted May 24, 2005 02:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ChildWoman,r u from India? I am from the same place. I had physical relationship with my ex and told my Sag in the beginning of our relationship. I really dono how does he feel abt it cuz he hides feelings under his cheery demeanor. But never once he let me speak that subject again.
I can realate totally with u dear. I dont think ur man is orthodox. his views are somewhat distorted. Do u think orthodox men wont want sex?
Never let him point fingers at ur caracter. When did u break up with ur ex?
how many months it took for u to get into this current relationship?
does his ideals of not having physical relationship attracted u after having intimate relationship with a b*****?
Giving completely in a relationship is not a bad thing. even intimacy is a part of it.
May be he needs time to accept u as u are. Give him time and space.
Let him decide what he wants from you. Sending a big Hug for u

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Happiness is like a butterfly.
The more you chase it,
The more it will elude it.
But if you turn your attention to other things,
it comes softly and sits on your shoulders...

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Peri
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posted May 24, 2005 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ChildWoman, here is your aspects:

your Nodes square his Pluto, Lilith, Vertex
trine his Sun, Uranus
inconj. his Mars, Neptune
North Node conj.his Ceres

his Nodes sextile your Ceres, Vertex, Saturn
square your Vesta

your DSC conj his Mercury (ruler of his 1st and 5th houses)

his DSC conj your Lilith

his Lilith conj your Mercury (ruler of your 2nd house), Pluto (ruler of your 7th house), Jupiter (ruler of your 8th house)

your Vertex conj his Juno, Venus
his Vertex conj your Pluto, Jupiter, DSC

your Juno conj his Sun, Uranus
his Juno conj your Ceres, Vertex, Saturn

your Venus, Neptune (in the 8th house) fall into his 7th house and conj his Mars (ruler of his 12th house) and Neptune (ruler of his 11th house)

his Jupiter (ruler of the 7th house) falls into your 5th house

your Vertex, Ceres, Jupiter, Pluto, Mercury, Saturn fall into his 5th house

his Uranus, Sun and Mercury fall into your 7th house

your Moon falls into his 8th house
his Moon falls into your 10th house squares your Sun

ohhhhh there are so many aspects that it is nearly impossible to name them all!

here is a couple of links where you can find some info on the above aspects: http://www.panplanet.com/articles/aspects.html http://synastry.us/articles.php http://www.thezodiac.com/notworth.htm http://www.karmicastrology.tv/synastry.htm#synastry6 http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/soulmateastrology.html http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/Juno21.3.html http://www.lunarplanner.com/asteroids.html http://www.astralaspects.com/asteroids_juno.htm

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