posted May 27, 2005 03:42 AM              

Say u meet a person find out their sign.. and its something u didnt get along with in the past... do u give them the benefit of the doubt or act biased due to their sign? (either positive or negative bias, makes no difference)

If the answer is yes.. have you gotten burnt doing this in the past?

- By this I mean.. say you met a sagittarius and thought wowwww I'm gona love this guy.. then he turnt out to be totally different and an ass*hole.. or say you met a Libra and thought.. damn another indecisive annoying lil bratt.. and they turnt out to be someone you actually liked-

Just for me - Thank you

posted May 27, 2005 10:24 AM              

But, with my q I meant.. would the knowledge of someone's sign (when you don't know the person yet) would that alone make you biased towards the person..

posted May 27, 2005 03:42 PM            

In view of my The World Is Gray Not Black And White thread a few weeks back, I feel this indecisive annoying little brat must hop in here with a reply! (**chuckles, no offense taken**)

As a matter of course, or perhaps Libran stubbornness (Libra can make Taurus look like a gullible pushover, according to Linda G) I refuse to succumb to the temptation of boxing people up with convenient labels. I find that I will bend over backwards NOT to pass judgement on people according to my preconceived notions and/or life-experiences. "Benefit of the doubt" wholly applies in my case. I had a very very bad experience with a Capricorn man a few years back, but that means I try extra hard not to lump all Cap men into that convenient bin (although I may make an exception in the case of AcousticGod).

"Would the knowledge of a person's sign when you don't know them make you biased" -- I would have to say No. And I get impatient with those who think that slapping a Sun sign label on someone describes the entire package contents, in fact I get downright grumpy about it!

posted May 28, 2005 05:23 AM              

I wouldn't make a snap decision about a person based on their star sign, since I wouldn't want to be subjected to the same treatment - for example, on job application forms...LOL...

posted May 28, 2005 08:30 AM              

answer .. 'i'm just a bit computer weary'
been proof reading 'n layout .. tedious stuff with slow editor
.. in reality it's app. compatability .. ( wrong lala 'signs' i guess .. :-))

re .. anubis .. i found new approach .. tried it on 'snake' .. seems
to have worked .. i see that one as a healer .. not as represented
in text instructions .. debating on wether to convert the 'devil' :-))
.. there ain't no mistaking what that's projecting :-)))

Aries-Chick

**** ..... just to make it a bit clearer.. Would the knowledge of a person's sign alone (that is all you know about them) would it change the way you see the person or act or feel towards the person (when you meet them) ..****

I understand your question to be about sun signs ?? .. just asking clarification ..
.. I guess for the record Aries Chick .. i never have been .. nor never will be biased
for .. or against an individuals astrological 'sign' ... or their chart makeup ...

.. how that individual is .. or has been .. using their astrological 'sign'
potential .. be another matter entirely

ok this is rather an extreme .. but both A.Hitler and Charlie Chaplin had
Saturn in Leo ... both needed the adulation of the masses .. as it were ..
one made the world weep in horor .. the other made the world cry with laughter

... that be on an emmotional level ..
i.e. not talking in an 'employment' context .. or any other

i put forward that 'astrological bias' .. as in the context of your question
.. i.e. social meeting of some nature .. would be the domain of an idividual
lacking in knowledge on the subject .....

AriesTiger

****I had a landady at college once who, on our first meeting, said, "Well, I'm Taurus, and I don't like Aries" to which I replied "I'M Aries" and then watched as she tried to pick herself up off the floor after having gone into "grovel" mode to try to make it up to me...****

hey i would have loved to have witnessed that ! (and that be comin' from a taur :-)

posted May 28, 2005 09:04 AM            

(I thought it might be helpful to give a reason for the existence of this bias, especially I've seen where the possible loophole might be.)

To me, it's like there are varying degrees of rapport you have with people. When you start to notice the people you get along with most naturally tend to be the same signs, and the people you tend NOT to get along with naturally, it starts to make sense where these biases come from.

I've known a Taurus who was one of the most annoying people I've ever met, but he was so affected by alcohol and a possible mental disorder (I think bi-polar) that he wasn't the best face for Taureans in general (though I did connect with him in his mellower moments). Seemingly any Taurus I come across I get along with, and it's completely natural and not forced in any way. It's just undeniable. It's an extreme bias FOR Taurus based on each of the Taurus that come into my life.

To me, if you kind of mentally map these degrees of rapport based on sign you'll undoubtedly find a sign somewhere that you find difficult to establish a rapport with. It may be a difference in communication style, it may be a different energy, or it may be a common trait amongst people of that sign.

posted May 28, 2005 12:20 PM            

You wrote “To me, if you kind of mentally map these degrees of rapport based on sign you'll undoubtedly find a sign somewhere that you find difficult to establish a rapport with. It may be a difference in communication style, it may be a different energy, or it may be a common trait amongst people of that sign.”

I have an example to relate, and your opinion/response would be appreciated. I work with two Capricorn women who are roughly the same age (but not my age) – around 30. They both have the dry but hilarious Cappy wit. They are both thorough, cautious, extremely intelligent/mentally quick. The younger of the two is my best buddy at work. We lunch together, see movies outside work, we “get” each other and click together. The older of the two I cannot talk to more than superficially to save my life. We “like” each other and respect what the other does at work, but there is a palpable wall, a tactile discomfort and extreme difficulty in communication, and I can almost visually see her struggling to talk to me in the same way I struggle to converse with her.

How do you explain this phenomenon?

aries-chick ~

I am totally with you in "the only thing, I think someone is entitled to judge me on is the way I treat them personally.. and vice versa.. the only thing I am entitled to judge them on is the way they treat me.."
Yes! This is the way I try to live my life and treat the people who touch my life. I really don't care where you've been, or if your Sun is square Pluto or your Mars opposite your Moon, because how we interact together, in THIS moment, is what is important and real to me. Of course where you've been has an impact on what makes you YOU (and what makes me ME), but it's water under the bridge. There are few things more annoying than being judged by a convenient label.

posted May 28, 2005 01:32 PM              

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posted May 28, 2005 06:59 PM            

Well, if those are the only two Capricorns you know, then it should be really difficult to make any kind of real decision. People within the same sign can be different, and I would think that you'd have to analyze behavior over a group larger than just two people if you were going to judge your rapport with a sign.

I sense from your post that the Cap you have trouble with works in a different capacity than the Cap you're friends with. Sounds like it could be a situation where the 'bad' Cap doesn't have any need for your friendship, so she's not taken any time to be develop anything. Capricorns do feel a compulsion to be popular, but that doesn't mean they feel the need to befriend everyone they come across.

posted May 29, 2005 10:36 AM              

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understand your question to be about sun signs ?? .. just asking clarification ..

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I was asking about sun signs.. but good thing you brought that up because I actually think aspects, specially the closest aspects you have with someone else (I mean closest by degree) can have a much bigger impact on how you relate to them than sun signs.. Even so .. I think aspects are 'challenging' or easy.. they can make it easier or harder to really understand someone and thus to get along with them (though not always).. If you have a lot of challenging aspects with someone, I guess it just takes more of boh of your free wills to make it work.. in any sort of relationship..

But even with aspects this isn't always so.. There are so many exceptions to the rule.. you'll see people with a lot of squares and oppositions who still make it work and get along and are in love or life long friends or whatever..so at the end of the day for me it boils down to "free will".. if you want to get along with someone you will even if you have the worst aspects possible.. if you choose not to get along with someone .. you can have great aspects and still not get along (I know cause this is me and my step bro totally.. he hates the fact that his dad's remaried and he chooses not to get along with me - looks good on paper but it doesn't work)

Your dragon smiley's cool

Aza,

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Yes! This is the way I try to live my life and treat the people who touch my life. I really don't care where you've been, or if your Sun is square Pluto or your Mars opposite your Moon, because how we interact together, in THIS moment, is what is important and real to me. Of course where you've been has an impact on what makes you YOU (and what makes me ME), but it's water under the bridge.

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I really like the way you put that

Acoustic,

I'll never be able to see eye to eye with you on this.. Main reason why is like I said before having a different experience to you. I was in highschool now I'm in uni.. I've been around a lot of people past few years and I don't wanna sound like some kinda astro data bank .. but because I was unsure about astrology when i first got into it.. I wanted to *see* for myself.. and I know a lot of their signs. Like I said on a diff thread.. some ppl of the same sign are alike.. others are VERY different. In your experience they were all alike.. or your interaction with them was. This wasn't my experience at all..

I think to really get a feel for someone's personality you'd have to look at their whole chart.. and you still wouldn't have the whole picture. there's more subtilities than that..

For instance.. one of the strongest aspects in synastry is guy's Sun conjunct girl's moon .. My moon's in capricorn, so the only guy whose ever gona conjunct my moon would have to be a Capricorn.. Does this mean it goes against my ego? MAYbe.. I guess astrologically speaking when you have the square in the top 2 Sun/Moon .. what's good for you emotionally isn't good for you on an ego level and vice versa (emotionaly I NEED stability and security, I need someone I can trust.. my ego wants fun adventure, someone who lives on the edge).. does this mean i'm never gona get along with a Capricorn OR an Aries or any other cardinal? I'd hope not lol.. like I said - free will everyone is different..

posted May 29, 2005 08:31 PM            

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Like I said on a diff thread.. some ppl of the same sign are alike.. others are VERY different. In your experience they were all alike.. or your interaction with them was.

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No, I've never met two of the same sign that were exactly alike. I've also had a variety of relationships with Aries. Generally when I find out someone is an Aries it just means that I'll watch them more, and maybe subconsciously make myself as self-involved as they are (Aries does bring out a certain competitiveness in me).

Also, when I find out about their sign it will suddenly come clear why pleasantries (on both my and their side) seem strained. Most people aren't into astrology, so when I meet Aries they won't know that I have any insight to them whatsoever. They won't know any of my bias towards them unless I reveal it.

I'll try to keep up in conversation, but they are seldom into the same things I am, and when they are into the same things they tend to be interested in different aspects than I am. Eventually we both realize this, and go about finding a better audience for ourselves. You won't often find me trying to disturb what an Aries is doing, or interupting one of Aries many stories.

Now when it comes to giving people a chance, I believe people ALWAYS have the opportunity to prove any of my preconceptions wrong. A person can only rely on their own judgement, and mine has occasionally been wrong, but is often right.

In the end I would say that a bit of my response to Aries is the same response I have toward myself at least as far as displaying Cardinal qualities. This, however, can't explain away everything as I don't have some of the Aries qualities I don't like.

To me, the reality is that I won't get along with everyone in my life. It seems completely natural and acceptable to me.

posted June 03, 2005 03:24 PM              

That's a really interesting question I've pondered for so long, and still do. I hope that in engaging regardless of past experiences, we are simply tweeking towards the perfect partnership.