posted June 05, 2005 08:16 PM              

{{hugs}}

posted June 06, 2005 07:26 AM              

.. don't believe all you hear :-))

i've yet to check yer links .. but just letting u know
i saw this post ( and some of your others ) ..
..
i can relate / empathise with the 'lonely' feelings ..
but somewhere down the line conquered said feelings ..
part of that is due to an understanding of my chart ..

it probably is some 'crap' transit you are feeling ..
i shall endeavor to let u know what they are
and how long they might go on for ..

will veiw links and get back to you ..

posted June 06, 2005 03:23 PM              

in the main ...transits effecting your chart are

transiting Pluto conjunct natal Sun / square natal Moon

transiting Chiron at conjunction to midpoint between natal Asc. ( rising sign ) and Venus

transiting Saturn squaring up to natal Chiron and natal part of fortune

will get back here later .. as much to do at moment .. will try and post u more info as and when i can ....
research what you can via the web and book libraries etc etc

posted June 06, 2005 03:45 PM              

in your chart .. the main difficult aspect is
Sun square Moon

Pluto by transit has been 'showing up' this
aspect in your chart

posted June 06, 2005 08:51 PM              

have not a clue what you mean !
you need ??..... detail FIels on me man details ?????????? .. don't understand lingo ..
what do you mean spit it out ?

research it ....
what aspects the Sun has significant impact ..
your Moon aspects your Sun by a square aspect ..
square aspects are difficult ..
.. that aspect in your natal chart is now under the influence of transiting Pluto ..
Pluto transits be like a 'backdrop' ... but an 'intense' backdrop ...
uderstand what the Sun and Moon mean in astrology .. understand what a Pluto transit is .. or any transit is for that matter .. get yourself an astrology programme for pc .. follow your own transits .. then you will see with your ownn eyes
how astrology works .. get all the info you can

posted June 06, 2005 11:16 PM            

I know this is Professor Dragon's thread, but I wanted to say something in reply to your very first post above:
"posting my chart to see what kind of man i am and what hold for me in the future"

sd, please don't fool yourself into believing that someone can look at an astrological chart and divine what kind of person you are and what will be in your future. I think only fayte.m or Irish Eyes could tell you that -- the rest of us don't have these kinds of crystal balls. I think this may be a common misconception here at LL. "The stars incline, they do not compel." (old astro quote by Robert Burton)

Astrology is just a way of recognizing potential -- what you DO with that potential is UP TO YOU!

Just because you have your natal Sun square Moon....(from http://www.astrology-numerology.com/aspects-sun.html
"Sun square Moon
The square formed between the Sun and Moon shows conflict in certain aspects of the life. Self-expression is blocked by emotional hangups or habit patterns that may be inherited or conditioned by past events. Family and domestic affairs keep you from developing the way you would like. The conditions in your early family environment may have caused difficulties in understanding and getting along with the opposite sex. In these relationships you can be too argumentative and defensive. You may need to get the chip off your shoulder sometimes. This aspect suggests a conflict between the ego and the emotions. There is a presence of tension between your outer and inner self."
.....doesn't mean you are CONDEMNED to a life of emotional hangups or blocked self-expression. YOU are driving this vehicle -- Take control of the wheel! You've got Pluto in the 9th House "The Quest for Truth", that is an awesome power you were born with!
My Pluto book by Stephen Forrest says that essential to your "recovery" is to physically leave the land of your birth. Have you done that?

posted June 06, 2005 11:24 PM              

I am in the process of scanning and running text-recognition software on selected chapters and pages of some of my favorite books -- as soon as I get Pluto in the 9th done, and also Saturn in the 7th (there are a few others here at LL with that placement -- read some of the older threads), Uranus in the 10th and Neptune in the 11th, I will post for you. In the meantime, please read some of the links people have left here for you. We're with you.....read up and ask questions -- there are so many wonderful people here to listen and help! Hang in there dude,
{{hugs}}
'Zala

posted June 06, 2005 11:55 PM            

And I am Woman, sd, but that's OK! I have a helluva stun-gun and you just happened to be in my sights tonite - LOL!!!

I would recommend jotting down all your aspects from your astrology.com report -- did you buy the Personal Profile? It should have all your aspects WITH interpretations. Then go and look up the aspects. The way I found the one I quoted above was type "Sun square Moon" into google. The one I quoted above came from this link, click on it, or highlight/copy/paste into your browser:

http://www.astrology-numerology.com/aspects-sun.html

If you didn't buy the Personal Profile at astrology.com, then go to astro.com, you can get a similar one FOR FREE under "Personal Portrait".

Professor Dragon is probably working on your transits. The planets where they are now make aspects to the planets where they were when you were born. Just a feeling, but I think that's what's been causing your emotional distress for the last six months. You also mentioned in another thread that you were going to see a doctor, did you do that? Some kinds of depression are chemical imbalances.....

C'mon back here with questions, or message me in a new thread. I'm here every day.
'Zala

PS: Please re-read my entire post.

posted June 10, 2005 12:25 AM              

To get you started on your astrological self-discovery, you have in your birth chart Sagittarius (expansion) modifying Sun (self-expression) conjunct (energy is combined with) Mars (action) conjunct Neptune (spirituality, also confusion) square (energy needs to be combined with) Moon (emotions); so you can be confused about how to act in expressing yourself and this can make you emotional. You also have Saturn (strucuturing) square (energy needs to be combined with) Uranus (unstructuring), so you may find yourself building things only to tear them down later.

As Happy Dragon was mentioning, this sort of emotional confusion is a big challenge, and, at this time you have transiting (planets in the sky) Pluto (transformation) conjuncting the Sagittarius stellium (collection of energy) described previously. So you are now being FORCED by the outside world to transform yourself and begin to sort out your issues of emotional confusion.

One way to do this is through learning astrology and, since you have Uranus (astrology) conjunct Midheaven (outer world) conjunct North node (future life goals) focused in the 9th house (knowledge) you may find astrology gives you the answer. To help you get the basic knowledge on astrology, take a look at my website, which guides you through basic astrological interpretation and only requires your learning 12 "keywords": http://www.geocities.com/wilsontctc

Giving the basics,

posted June 10, 2005 08:18 PM            

Here's a short bit from the chapter on Pluto in IX by Steven Forrest:

"The first part of your healing method is simple to say, but absolutely essential to the recovery of your high destiny. You must physically leave the land of your birth.
This leaving is not necessarily permanent, although it often is. Nor does it necessitate crossing international boundaries; cultural lines count for more here than political ones. If you're a native Californian, moving to New Hampshire might do it.
The point is that there is something liberating and refreshing for you about culture shock. Your ninth house wounds are tied up with the "religion of your people" -- your church or temple in youth, or the collective attitude of your ethnic group, your neighborhood or your extended family.....or any combination plate of such factors you might assemble. Just getting away from that environment clears the air. And in that clear air, you will naturally begin to think more freshly.
A second part of your healing depends utterly upon your committing yourself to an educational journey. This may very well involve matriculating in a formal degree program, complete with the diploma to hang on your wall. It may just as easily take a less official form, as, for example, when a person sets out to master the practice of astrology and commits zealously to the formidable intellectual exercise that entails. Again, what is at stake here is a stretching of the boundaries, an extension of consciousness beyond the narrow framework of one's early life."

posted June 22, 2005 06:35 PM            

Here's Pluto in the 9th House as promised. Would like to know what you think?

From Steven Forrest's "The Book of Pluto":

quote:

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PLUTO IN THE NINTH HOUSE
THE NINTH HOUSE ARENA: The Quest for Truth
THE NINTH HOUSE PITS: Fanaticism; Nihilism

IN THE TRADITION...
…..the ninth house bore a rather romantic name. It was the "House of Long Journeys.” The implication was that of a mythic Quest, a journey into strange and perilous places, a journey from which one would return, if at all, a changed person.
The ninth house was also associated with religion.….and that is not as much of a leap from journeys as it might at first seem. Religion is a human attempt to impart meaning to life, or to discover life's meaning. And we learn about life by living it — by fully accepting and undertaking the "journey." It is this "religious" dimension of the ninth house that is really the heart of the matter, as we will see.
Furthermore, nothing will so challenge and focus our own beliefs as an encounter with their passionately held alternatives. Generally throughout human history, such encounters have been hard to come by. "Multiculturalism" has been a rare phenomenon; cultures have tended to be monolithic, with a particular set of commonly held values, morals, and mythologies binding them into unity. To experience the full-blown reality of alternative perspectives, one didn't have a long list of options. And travel was high on the list. Just leaving town. Going among the foreigners, the "heathens," the "infidels." It would provide an "education" unavailable elsewhere.….
…..At least until "education" became widely available — and that is yet another traditional meaning of the ninth house: universities, learning, scholarship. Closely linked to those notions was the idea of the dissemination of knowledge. Hence, the association of the ninth house with the publishing industry..…and who hasn't ever been taken on a "Long Journey" by a book? But it all comes back to the endless search for meaning, pattern and significance in our lives: our "religious" needs.
What does it mean when Pluto lies here?

YOUR HIGH DESTINY
Life hardly feels meaningful automatically. Much of the time we are merely struggling with our responsibilities and wrestling with our circumstances. What honest, reflective person has not occasionally been plagued by that eternal question, Why Bother? Jodie and I saw a cartoon once in which the Almighty appeared to a harried fellow in a vision. His message was, "The Universe exists to annoy you!" I don't think that cartoon made it onto our refrigerator. I guess it cut a little too close to the bone.
In the face of the seeming meaninglessness of life, we turn naturally to religion — and by that word, I don't simply mean Catholicism or Islam. I mean any of the Things To Believe In that humanity has devised. Science serves the purpose for some of us. Art does it for others. Humanitarianism may fit the bill for one person, while making a million dollars may do it for another. And every one of these "religions” has not only its adherents, but also its spokespeople. Call them Teachers, Exemplars, Preachers.….whatever. We humans instinctively seek them out. We want a man or a woman to embody the ideal for us, to speak to us authoritatively and confidently about the moral or metaphysical framework of life.
Your High Destiny is to be such a figure. The responsibility here is enormous. Whenever you speak of Right or Wrong, or the Meaning of Life, people will naturally listen to you. It is as though something radiates from you, a kind of message from God saying, "Take what this person says seriously." And if you put out the notion that life is a hopeless mess unfolding in a random universe, people will be mightily influenced by that viewpoint.
You can do a lot better than that, but first you must face...

YOUR DISTORTING WOUND
We humans are pretty brilliant as monkeys go. I suspect that perspective is not terribly far from the way the angels look at us. We are inventive, cunning, and creative, but our knowledge of this vast, multidimensional universe is exceedingly limited. When the preacher ascends the pulpit on Sunday morning and begins fulminating about the nature and purpose of life in the cosmos. I imagine the angels have a good laugh. Even if the preacher's heart is in the right place, his head is still stuck in the three-dimensional, time-bound world.
But preaching is his job, and he prides himself in it. And when he was a young seminarian, he was deeply inspired by a teacher no older or wiser than he himself is now. What doubts he had in his inherited belief-system were dispelled by that teacher.
On top of that, the congregation isn't paying him for his doubts; they want certainty, clarity, and confidence — "faith," they call it.
It's a commonplace observation that religion has caused more bloodshed and unfeeling, self-righteous sadism in this world than money, sex, and the territorial imperative combined. People will do things for "faith" that they couldn't stomach for any other reason. And their "preachers" egg them on with "messages from God."
With Pluto in the ninth house, you instinctively see all that. You have a skeptic's capacity to ask the right, embarrassing questions. Reflexively, you question the assumptions underlying whatever metaphysical card-castle with which you are presented. You have an especially wary eye when it comes to observing the "preachers," sniffing out the subtle traps their own egos lay for them, and places where their Shadows leak out into behavior.
When you were young, you were presented with a religion and strongly encouraged to accept it. This religion may not have been a conventional one — it could have been liberal or conservative politics, education, money, almost anything. And you smelled something rotten, and doubted…..or believed deeply at first, and thereby set yourself up for a harder fall.
Synchronistic principles here often suggest early contact with especially virulent examples of religious or moral hypocrisy, or other similarly disillusioning experiences. The pedophile priest. The philandering guru. If we add such outward biographical events to the stew, your Plutonian education in religion's dark side was that much more intense.
However we read the story, your Distorting Wound is a learned response of doubt, cynicism, and hesitancy to believe.
YOUR NAVIGATIONAL ERROR
Those of us raised in the Christian tradition know the story of Christ's encounter with the Roman governor, Pontius Pilate. The gospel accounts give an impression of Pilate not so much as a bad man but as a weak one. He seems motivated to afford Jesus a way out of the crucifixion, if only Jesus would plea-bargain a little. But of course Jesus won't. Near the end of their dialogue, Pilate despairingly asks, "What is Truth?" In Sunday school we are encouraged to view this an example of Pilate's perfidious character, but in fact it's a pretty good question.
What is truth? The world is full of people, nefarious or merely gullible, making large sums out of claiming to provide the answer. You figured that out before you were very far into your adulthood, and such parasites make your blood boil.
In your compulsion not to get fooled again yourself and to roust out the tricksters in the bargain, you might make any of several fundamental navigational errors.
The first error lies in adopting doubt and cynicism as your "religion," and doing so without realizing that they are as narrow and limited as any other doctrine. And not nearly as uplifting, we might add. A person under the spell of that dogma will live a life full of fear, hesitant to reap the real joys of love, charity, and fellowship. He or she might withdraw from real sources of inspiration, and recoil from the pleasures and advantages of simple faith.
The second error involves reacting unconsciously to the "religion" of one's childhood — and moving fanatically into another doctrine as far removed from the birth-religion as one can find: a classic "out of the frying pan, into the fire" move. Daddy was a right-wing entrepreneurial capitalist; daughter is a left-wing Marxist saboteur. Joe was raised Pentecostal, but then he found Zoroastrianism. Wherever we wind up, if we are in the grips of this error, one eventuality is sure: the preachers of the new religion will prove just as fallible or morally culpable as the preachers with whom we grew up.
A third possible error lies in becoming an Inquisitor regarding either all religions or the religion of one's childhood. Down this road, one zealously, fanatically seeks to discredit belief at every opportunity. The attacks may very well be cogent; our concerns about them lie more in a consideration of their motivations and their benefits to the attacker. Typically, there is a big element of unconscious anger in such attacks, and they accomplish little that enhances anyone's life.
A fourth error is an attempt to escape the whole issue, and in fact to shirk one's high destiny. It can be made to sound pretty good, though: "Everybody has to figure it out for themselves. Who am I to judge? We should all just trust our inner guidance." These are certainly laudable ideas in many ways. But they miss something. We all wear shoes, but not everyone is cut out to be shoemaker. Most of us drive a car, but only a few of us can rebuild the brakes or the ignition system. Similarly, not everyone is wired to distill the chaos of daily life down to a few reliable moral principles. That's as much an inborn, unique skill as the shoemaker's or the mechanic's. And not everyone possesses it.
You are mentally wired to be a philosopher. You carry those instincts and reflexes. And you are not the only one who knows that — anyone sizing you up is going to come to the same conclusion. That's how it works with Pluto. Like it or not, you're set up for that kind of destiny and people are going to see you through that kind of filter. They'll take moral cues from you no matter what you do.

THE HEALING METHOD
The first part of your healing method is simple to say, but absolutely essential to the recovery of your high destiny. You must physically leave the land of your birth.
This leaving is not necessarily permanent, although it often is. Nor does it necessitate crossing international boundaries; cultural lines count for more here than political ones. If you're a native Californian, moving to New Hampshire might do it.
The point is that there is something liberating and refreshing for you about culture shock. Your ninth house wounds are tied up with the "religion of your people" — your church or temple in youth, or the collective attitude of your ethnic group, your neighborhood, or your extended famil.....or any combination plate of such factors you might assemble. Just getting away from that environment clears the air. And in that clear air, you will naturally begin to think more freshly. A second part of your healing depends utterly upon your committing yourself to an educational journey. This may very well involve matriculating in a formal degree program, complete with the diploma to hang on your wall. It may just as easily take a less official form, as, for example, when a person sets out to master the practice of astrology and commits zealously to the formidable intellectual exercise that entails. Again, what is at stake here is a stretching of the boundaries, an extension of consciousness beyond the narrow framework of one's early life.
Synchronistic principles declare that in the course of traveling far from home and acquiring an education, you will encounter a religion that works for you. That is part of the shape of your destiny. The third step in the healing lies in accepting it. By "religion" we refer to a world view or a moral perspective; a set of values to live by. It may or may not be a religion in the customary sense.
The religion that works best foryou will be Plutonian, of course — that's what suits your nature. How do we recognize such a belief system? For starters, a Plutonian religion is one that isn't quick to view doubt as a sin, it will encourage questioning, scrutiny, and testing. It is a religion that makes some satisfactory account of the problem of evil in the world; no greeting-card philosophies will work. It is a religion that encourages and supports introspective psychological self-analysis, and ties it inextricably to the notion of the spiritual quest. Typically, it will deal energetically and at length with the realities of death and the dying process, and be willing to embrace positive views on the spiritual potentials inherent in consciously directed sexuality.
All these notions are simply Plutonian; a Plutonian religion, which is natural to you, will embrace them all to some degree.

THE ENERGIZING VISION
What are we if we believe nothing? What would life be if everything came down to meaninglessness? What would be left? Only appetite.….
"Man shall not live by bread alone," Jesus said. And it is a simple truth. We need more than mere appetite. We need purpose and meaning. But if, as some tired modern intellectual theologians say, purpose and meaning are purely human creations, it all rings a little hollow. Why bother?
Here's the essence: in your guts, you know that life has purpose.
You were born with that certainty. Some early experiences of disillusionment nearly knocked that faith out of you, but it only went underground. Employ your healing methods and the faith is resurrected. And it radiates from you. And that faith is given an integrity and a legitimacy by your own fierce commitment to doubt.
How strange that phrase sounds from a conventional religious perspective! But your willingness to question yourself and every-one else, always to go deeper, always to let the truth be more than what you already know, those qualities lift you out of the morass that so often captures the evangelist and amateur guru.
You are called upon to speak as one of the moral voices of your community. And as long as you are willing to stay in communion with your own Plutonian shadow, you'll not slip into mere moralizing. Need renewal? Then go questing again! Journeys will punctuate the conscious life for you, and each one will stretch your spiritual frontiers a little wider.

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posted June 25, 2005 07:47 PM              

ok thats my random outburst number 157 for today