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key
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posted June 13, 2005 12:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Me: Saturn in Virgo/8th house
opp Jupiter in Pisces/2nd house


I have got a problem, one that is keeping me up nights:

Perhaps some of you have read my past posts relative to my family. I have a 25 year old son, who has conquered a drug problem, and a 23 year old daughter - who is currently getting her Ph.D. You also might recall that my brother(a taurus)was killed by a drunk driver as a teenager while going to a coin auction.

I got a call from my mother several weeks ago. She said she was considering giving my son my brother's coin collection. She didn't know if it would be worth anything, but said ..."(my daughter) has life by the tail, and (my son) could use something to get excited about." I said - sure.

Well, my son hasn't been sleeping, either! He is up all night with his computer, discovering how much this coin collection is worth. And, it is worth a lot of money.

So, I don't know what to do. He could use this money and start something big for himself. He is very smart, although not well-educated. Yet, it seems so unfair. My daughter, who makes good decisions and is very motivated and successful, is not getting this collection - because it appears she won't need it as much, and she is not male (like my brother).

Also, my son, in spite of his problems, is just plain lucky. Always has been. Anything in his chart about good fortune?

Nov. 6, 1979 5:50 am Philadelphia, PA

So, this is a good thing. I don't want to lose track of that. I just don't want family problems. My son and daughter are currently good friends - yet, my daughter didn't speak to my son for (2) years during his drug problem days. I don't want to go back there. Also, she doesn't know about any of this, and I hate secrets.

KEY

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A weasel
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posted June 13, 2005 12:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gee. Life by the tail. Your mother makes it sound as if your daughter just stumbled into that PhD by accident, and didn't work hard for years and years to get where she is.

Give it to the daughter.

That way your son will get the message that you reward GOOD behavior, and are not easy to take on pity alone.

Your mother may have a different opinion, but ultimately it's your decision.

P.S. Of course he's been "lucky"! Grandparents (and you, too) must have always given him unfair preference over his sister for years, who has worked her ass off, for nothing.
(I bet, she was always expected to "help" him, and I bet her grandmother -- your mother -- would lay endless guilt trips upon her -- that's why she refused to even communicate.)

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amisha121877
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posted June 13, 2005 12:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"He could use this money and start something big for himself."

does he know/you know what he wanted to start?

maybe you two are linked this way - sleepless nights. are either of you having dreams/day dreams?

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pixelpixie
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posted June 13, 2005 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gosh, what a hard thing.

So it seems, as you said your daughter doesn't know about it, and your son is up nights reading about it, that he already knows he is getting it.. and that it was your grandparents decision, not yours.
I wonder if you can hold it in trust...
Tell him it is for him, but as with anything in life,. he must work toward it. A Goal.. and if he shows initiative, finding something.. not to help him 'fit into society', but something he himself finds pleasure doing... to help him to grow up and be someone he is proud of being....
Then he can have it.
Or if he chooses to cash it in, that he has a goal and possibly a financial plan in sight, so that he doesn't regret having it in the first place?
I agree that your daughter must feel like she has the short end of the stick, because she is the one who works hard etc.... I know you are there to assuage her of that.

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amisha121877
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posted June 13, 2005 12:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
by the way - selling the coins / does he appreciate the coins because it's not about the monetary value but the sentimental value of them otherwise, i would agree that maybe the coins should have been given to your daughter. she might have appreciated their "value" a little more - maybe that's what the sleepless night are - the coins don't want to be sold, they want to be cherished......and the previous owner may agree.

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key
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posted June 13, 2005 12:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you all for your messages. The problem is, my son already has the collection. It was given to him. No one knew the worth of it. He is 25 years old. How do I now take it away from him?

Also, what Weasel said is true. My daughter has worked hard and was ignored during my son's problem years. Even now, he is working in our family business - and is being paid a good salary. Please note that he does an excellent job - has never been late - and is a very good employee. But, she is forging her own way.

What can I do? I am not having dreams about this. Just worrying.
KEY

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A weasel
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posted June 13, 2005 01:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At the very least, you get it registered in both their names. So if it's sold, they split the money.

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key
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posted June 13, 2005 01:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Amisha -

Only my parents and I have sentimental feelings. The (3) of us actually hate the coin collection. After all, he was killed going to a coin auction. I still remember my father coming home from the hospital - after identifying my dead brother - and throwing all of the coins against the walls of my brother's room. There was heaps of money on the floor. After that, he packed it all up and stored it in safe deposit boxes.

My brother was killed before the birth of my children. They have no sentimental feelings. Also, my father and now deceased uncle collected coins with my brother. My son has their collections, as well.

This is developing into a mess. I guess I could just talk to my son. To be totally truthful, I wouldn't mind having a couple of those dimes myself. How do you take away what has already been given?

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key
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posted June 13, 2005 01:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
a Weasel -

The coins aren't registered. My son simply has them all. My mother sent them to him - in (4) separate shipments. It was all fine - until my son told me how much $ they were worth. Now, everyone is upset.

KEY

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pixelpixie
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posted June 13, 2005 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You don't take anything away, you ask him to help you, as you have helped him.
As an adult, with no obligations, but with moral and emotional ones...
Ask him what he would do if he knew the particulars...
You said he is a good employee.. of course he is!
He is proving himself everyday. He is back from the depths of a nasty fall, and in order not to fall, he has to be able to make his own steps, and be guided by good people.
Ask him, tell him, talk to him, trust him.

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Tranquil Poet
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posted June 13, 2005 01:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leave it to your son.
He obviously conquered a drug problem.....let that be his reward.


I find it sad that now that everyone knows the real worth of the coins....they are all upset. I find it to be very selfish. It actually disgusts me. Especially when it is going on in a family.


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Gemini sun, Cancer rising, Taurus moon

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key
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posted June 13, 2005 01:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Tranquil Poet -

Why do you say that - that my son should have the collection? Although my brother never had any drug problems, my son is quite a bit like him.

Actually, after reading all of the posts, I took a deep breath and talked to my son.

I said: "Do you think this is fair? What about your sister? I think this should be divided."

My son said: "Quit worrying about it. Forget about it. I am not selling it. Don't make such a big deal out of this. I could have kept quiet about this, but I didn't. Yes, the value could be very high, but you also have to find a seller, etc."

KEY

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key
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posted June 13, 2005 01:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tranquil Poet -

You know what? You are right. My son worked just as hard or much harder than my daughter. He picked himself up out of the gutter, and he got himself clean. He is also kind and sensitive and responsible.

Pixie -

He is 25-years old. How do I guide him, when I don't even know what the answers are myself?

As a funny aside -

He called me to his computer and showed my a picture online of one of his dimes - and the huge amount of money it is currently worth. I said - "Don't cash this in right away. Don't do anything rash." He said, "Mom, what do you think I am going to do? Run over to the local bar and plop this dime down, and say .... drinks on me?"

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thirteen
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posted June 13, 2005 02:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think this kind of thing is Karma. It was given to him, let it be.

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A weasel
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posted June 13, 2005 02:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"My son worked just as hard or much harder than my daughter. He picked himself up out of the gutter, and he got himself clean"

No. You picked him up.
I'm surprised your daughter still talks to you.

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pixelpixie
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posted June 13, 2005 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I meant guide him as you are doing. You and your husband own a business, you are guiding him there, and trusting him to be someone worthy of this trust.. as any employee, but as someone you love.
Keep walking beside him.
Trust him.
It seems like he has a good head on his shoulders, and has proven that he can get himself back out of the depths.
As I said on a previous post.

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key
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posted June 13, 2005 02:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A Weasel -

My son got himself out of the gutter. Yes, we paid for re-hab. But, he asked for the help, and he got himself clean. We didn't do this for him. He has kept himself clean.

Also, my daughter went to MIT. Do you know how expensive that school is? My husband and her grandparents picked up that tab. I talk to my daughter every day, so we speak plenty. It is hard to grow up when your older brother has addiction problems, especially when you are in the same school. It was an extremely painful time for my quiet and shy daughter. And, yes - my husband and I were focused on my son's problems. And, yes - she didn't get the attention she deserved. She did everything right - and got ignored. I think that this is natural, though. You automatically help the person who needs it. What should we have done? Nothing? Our son was suffering from something way out of his control, and he needed help. We paid for rehabs, (3) rehabs, actually. He ASKED for the help. We were glad to give it. We still consider it the best money we ever spent. My daughter understands now. She is extremely proud of her brother - six years now he has been clean. My parents feel the same way. They are proud of my son and all that he has accomplished. Also proud of my daughter.

Is this karma? Do you think? I just don't know how or why all of this happend. I am used to stepping in and sorting things out. All I know is that my mother called and said - "your dad and I would like to give your brother's coin collection to (my son). It just feels right. Would that be okay?" I said, "yes." But his is no longer just about memorabalia - it is about money. An investment. Possibly a very large amount of money.

Pixie -

You are correct. We need to talk more to our son. He is honorable. He is also dazed with the excitement of this windfall.

KEY

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A weasel
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posted June 13, 2005 02:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That last long message carried no new information whatsoever. I still stand by my opinion.

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thirteen
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posted June 13, 2005 02:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A weasel, c'mon! Just because someone gave him a job doesn't mean he's on easy street. He still has to earn that job everyday to maintain it. He probably has to prove himself even more having the history he has.

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future_uncertain
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posted June 13, 2005 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nobody can pick up a drug addict except for himself.

Key, congratualations to you for raising children who know how to make the most of the help offered them by others.
It couldn't have been easy for you, but it sounds like you have helped create two wonderful children.

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pixelpixie
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posted June 13, 2005 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
INdeed!
Everyone has lessons and things they suffer through and for....
I have a feeling your daughter is just fine.. we all feel isolated and undermined when someone focuses their attention away from us, but she understood there was a real reason for that. It helped her to grow.
On the same token, A Weasel, would you feel she was owed something?

I Ching... it is natures way to lessen what is overfull and help those that are humbled.
Do not overfill another's bowl, while leaving yours empty... etc etc.
Very logical, really...

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A weasel
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posted June 13, 2005 03:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"On the same token, A Weasel, would you feel she was owed something?"

Yes, I feel the daughter is owed something.
Key herself feels the same way.

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"but she understood there was a real reason for that. It helped her to grow."

I think that's bullsh!t, that goes along the lines of:
"I want you to help me with my homework, because it will be good for you: I want you to become smarter from it."

What is this? A favor for her daughter? Hell no.

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key
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posted June 13, 2005 03:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A weasel and thirteen -

It is good for me to hear both of your opinions. I just talked to my son again. Sort of what Pixie mentioned -
I said, "What do you think is the honorable thing to do with these coins? What about your sister?"

He said, "Quit freaking out about this. I am not selling the coins."

I said, "If you do, will you give your sister half?"

He said, "Quit making such a big deal about this. No one else has a problem with this except you. We will see who needs what, when."

I haven't mentioned that my son is the kind of person who would give the shirt off of his back if someone needed it. My daughter is very careful with her belongings and savings.

I wish I could go back in time and say -
"Mom, have them share the coin collection."
Now, the collection is in my son's possession.

Maybe I should just enjoy this. I can watch and see what my son does. Will he share? Sell? Could someone look at his chart? I posted his birth data earlier. He is a wheeler/dealer type. Good at games, street smart, and smart smart.
KEY

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A weasel
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posted June 13, 2005 03:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"We will see who needs what, when."

Well, care to venture a guess who will need money when/if he does sell it?

(Moreover, your daughter doesn't even have the chance to decide to sell it -- when she needs money.)

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Devilfish
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posted June 13, 2005 03:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it was the Grandmothers decision and she gave it to HIM.
Not the Mother
Not the Daughter
If you get involved and take it from him to spilt with the Daughter, that to me would seem unfair.
Its his choice to do as he pleases with it.
Be happy for him , try to offer investment advice.
Be proud of both your children they're different but both have value,successes,talents/.............and
im sure you already know that.

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