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Battle of Evermore
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posted June 15, 2005 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Battle of Evermore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, I know I haven't been arount too much as of lately, sorry, but I want to ask a question.

Sun Virgo 13°49'34 07 direct
Moon Leo 23°14'12 07 direct
Mercury Leo 25°51'12 07 direct
Venus Leo 21°49'46 07 retrograde
Jupiter Leo 28°51'50 07 direct
Descendant Leo 11°16'44

Ok, that's all of my 7th house placements.
Does this mean that I'm going to get really depressed if I'm not around people enough?
That I have little drive to do anything unless I do it with others frequently?
Coz that's how I'm feeling...

Thank you!

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Happy Dragon
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posted June 15, 2005 08:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*midst edit*
checking nept. transit 'n others
maybe to yer 7th
*rethink mode*
sorry calcs did not work out ..

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posted June 15, 2005 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not thinking transit wise.... the planets you have centred there are benefics.... to some degree.. all these harmonious placements that show you as you truly are. moon and venus and mercury together with jupiter? Sounds great to me! All the stellium planets modify each other.
It seems to me that you would practically magnetize people toward you. If you choose, I doubt you'd be alone much.
But if your Moon is opposite your Ascendant, I believe you place a lot of value on other's worth.
The duality is it is also 'open enemies'.
Maybe some obvious fairweather friends?

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Battle of Evermore
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posted June 15, 2005 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Battle of Evermore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you both!

No Moon opposite asc.
I guess it was bound to happen. I'm just all depressed because I have been cooked up in the house for weeks, and I have no way to get out. I have the occasional outing, but for the most part, I'm stuck here. I need to see poeple frequenly, and right now, that's the opposite of what I'm doing. I can't hack being alone all of the time, or with the same few people all of the time, like the water signs I know can .
Maybe it is a bad transit too ... Will check that.
Thanks

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Happy Dragon
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posted June 16, 2005 01:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Battle o.E.

your 7th house list from above

Sun Virgo 13°49'34 07 direct
Moon Leo 23°14'12 07 direct
Mercury Leo 25°51'12 07 direct
Venus Leo 21°49'46 07 retrograde
Jupiter Leo 28°51'50 07 direct
Descendant Leo 11°16'44

.. re leo 7th and 'others' .. added to pixlz observations
.. i would quess .. in short .. that leo .. as a Sign ...
would prefer to be around other ppl .. as opposed to
being on their own ..
a king/queen (leo) without subjects and admirers ??
no one to seek approval from .. attention from ..
be generous to .. demand from .. to entertain ..
to have fun with .. to share good/bad times with ..
.. the list could go on and on ..
.. in short .. i would guess there's a part of leo
that needs other people .. said felines within my
circle of friends ... they do seem to get a case of the blues
when on their own too much .. if that makes any sense

current 'exacting' outer transits to your 7th house planets
June 16th 2005
transiting Pluto trine natal Moon 0.07 deg
transiting Saturn semisextile natal Mercury 0.26 deg
transiting Jupiter novile natal Jupiter 0.16 deg

so re ; the planet list and 'outer' transits ...
Uranus / Neptune / Pluto/ Chiron are now retrograde

upcoming transits ..
Uranus (opp sun .. april 2006 ) .. Nept (opp 7th h placements)
Pluto trining 7th h placements (venus moon )

these are long long term .. eg. it will be 2009
when Neptune is finaly opposite natal jupiter ..
Pluto will be around for about 18 mnth or so

may have a go at charting the movement of the outers
and posting results as many folk here going thru big transits
to their 'personal' planets'

possibly .. without checking .. Pluto has been
effecting your venus/moon for some time past

chart pic ( 7th h planets in natal as your list ) ) ...
inner ring be the 7th h planets ..

outer ring be the 'outer' planets for june 16th 05 ..
counter clockwise movement for transiting planets

black line be the Asc/Dsc axis .. which could put
transiting Chiron currently thru your 12th house
.. maybe see thread on 12th house .. ..
( mistakenly headed .. house VII) .. ..

.. if y'want the pic deleted at any stage .. shout .. and it will dissappear


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Battle of Evermore
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posted June 16, 2005 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Battle of Evermore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, thank you HD!
I will check out that thread, and keep up with transits better, if anything interesting happens, I'll will post.

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Happy Dragon
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posted June 16, 2005 07:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Evermore

.. check out what progressions you may have .. as they usualy
signify 'events' .. the Pluto transit is more likely to be a 'backdrop'
scene as it were .. 'tis said that most ppl understand the pluto transit
after it has passed .. when they reflect back on past events .. also
Pluto transits are basicaly 'one off' .. unless one lives a few hundred years

Nept 'n Urns are about 80 yr for a zodiac cycle .. and they have a tendency to move
forward a few deg .. then go retro .. Urns is like .. 5 forward / 2 back aprox.
but very generaly speaking .. urns / nept will move 90 deg (square aspect )
every 20 years .. ( not taking into account any 'elipticle orbit )

it's normaly the short term transits that bring the 'issues' to the fore
.. something like .. the outer planets be like a loaded gun .. the inner planets
act as 'triggers' ..

.. i've these on my server at moment .. (for a couple o' days hence )
.. they may play better if downloaded first .. as opposed to 'streamed'
mmmm.. aint exactly church music ..

60s blues number
born under a bad sign (original vs?) 192 kbps st. aprox. 3.4 meg http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jkbx/badsign.mp3

drivin' brit rok 160 kbps j.st. aprox .5 meg http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jkbx/hmst1.mp3

'later

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future_uncertain
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posted June 16, 2005 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another 7th house question:

Mine is ruled by Cancer, but is empty. From what I understand, I would seek Cancerian qualities in a partner. What is the significace of the house being empty?

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Battle of Evermore
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posted June 16, 2005 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Battle of Evermore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello HD, I'm having a Pluto transit right now, Pluto trine Moon.
Also,

Jupiter trine Ascendant,
Uranus sextile Uranus
Saturn opposition Saturn,
Jupiter sextile Jupiter,
Saturn conjunction Descendant,

Short term as follows:
Mercury Opposition Uranus,
Sun Sextile Mercury,
Moon Square Neptune,
Moon Trine Ascendant,
Moon Square Uranus,

I don't know what good it's doing posting all of this, just thought I would.
BTW, how do you go about checking your progressions? I've never really delved into transits, & especially progressions.

P.S. Your links don't seem to be working

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Happy Dragon
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posted June 16, 2005 09:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
re links .. yeah it's 02:55 on zog ..
sleepy 'n missed out a word ..
.. back in a mo to fix and will explain progressions
ok will .. backup an edit above links

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Happy Dragon
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posted June 16, 2005 10:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok BoE ...
links edited .. although not tried them myself
will get back re progressions .. in short they are like transits but done on a day for a year basis .. be the transiting 'personal'planets .. anyhow will search out some info .. at least i've material that can be scanned

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Archer
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posted June 17, 2005 04:44 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
either u may have an excellent relationship with u spouse or it might be like hell.

jupiter placement in 7th according to indian astro signifies great amount of knowledge.

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Battle of Evermore
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posted June 17, 2005 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Battle of Evermore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you HD,those songs are really great btw! That solo on the 2nd one was awesome.

Hey Archer , I don't have a spouse, so I don't know about that...jupiter placement in 7th according to indian astro signifies great amount of knowledge? Well they are always calling me the human fact book.


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aries-chick
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posted June 17, 2005 03:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're cool

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Happy Dragon
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posted June 17, 2005 07:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bOe

***Thank you HD,those songs are really great btw! That solo on the 2nd one was awesome.****

hey .. glad u like them ..

link to the 'hmst' source ..
http://www.thehamsters.co.uk

tall character be the guitarist .. i've always wondered about their astro
makeup .. music and business wise a very successful band .. they used to
gig around here .. fantastic live .. y'know it would not suprise me in the
least if the guitarist had some virgo in him .. watched him play enough times
.. he used to be a music journalist ... supposedly puts DW40 on his fingers prior
to a gig ( sounds like poison to me ) .. that's probably hype ;-) ..

put this on server today (gtr related) .. may interest yer virgo energies
i didn't write it .. could not find original link .. pity to waste good info ..
http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/temp/timbre.html

will upload various mp3s from time to time .. could do with a thread for
folks music tastes .. ha .. wanted to upload some astro related orchestral
trax .. bit lengthy .. and mp3 compression don't do justice to audio ..

ever listened to 'the planets' by holst ?

hamsters primarily do hendrix/zz top covers and their own tunes ...

out of curiosity .. do you play gospel type with the church band .. or is it
different .. just curious .. have a Sag freind who got his 'ear training' from
singing at his dad's baptist church ( his dad was the minister) .. and he put that
to his guitar playing .. totally by ear .. these days be an accomplished jazz player

'bad sign' .. be a good one to try 'n play .. easy riff .. but the feel be all in the
timing .. guess thats what true blues be about .. the feel of it ..

'later ... be well

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future_uncertain
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posted June 17, 2005 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HEY, HEY, HEY! Back the *F* up. I had a question...

I'm totally kidding. But does anyone have any info on this?

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Happy Dragon
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posted June 17, 2005 09:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BoE

just read your list above ;
***Saturn opposition Saturn,***

that be the 'challenging' transit as it were ...
known to cause a case of the blues ...

... without double checking .. i think its moving along ..
as in you won't have the blues for long ..

come to think of it ... the transit explanation on my site
.. on the aspecti page .. uses Sat transits as a model to show
how transits work ... but the Sat placement makes sense

anyhow .. i will figure out the Sat movement re your chart ..
so you be a Saturn conjunct Asc person as in natal chart ..
could be a key to understanding current Sat transit ...

.. with the Urns transit .. be a good time to do 'your own thing'
.. whatever that may be ..

***Saturn conjunction Descendant*****
can't be .. not with current info

what degrees is your natal Saturn ??


'later

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posted June 17, 2005 09:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow. That's a lot of 7th house placements..you know what i have a book specially on houses..i'll type out the part on 7th house later this evening...

take cares

-Esther

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DayDreamer
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posted June 17, 2005 09:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I don't think I've ever seen anyone's chart with soo many planets in the 7th...how many boyfriends have you had BoE???

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% Battle of Evermore %

The Descendant and the Seventh House

The 6th house is the last of what is known as ‘the personal houses’, and represents the refinement of the individual personality through work, service, humility and attention to everyday life and the physical body. Taking a microscope to life, the 6th house analyses and categorizes it into different parts, giving each part its appropriate place and purpose. We now know precisely how we differ from everybody and everything else. But, by the end of the 6th house, we have grown as separate form one another as life will allow, and we have a new lesson to learn: that nothing exists in isolation. When we arrive at the Descendant, the westernmost point in the chart, we turn a sharp corner and find ourselves heading back again to the point where it all started. It will be the work of the 7th and 12th houses to reconnect us one more o the lost sense of our unity with all life.
The Descendant is the cusp of the 7th house and the point opposite the Ascendant. Traditionally, the Ascendant is considered the ‘point of self-awareness’ and the Descendant is considered ‘the point of awareness of others’. It describes our approach to relationships and the qualities (along with the planets in the 7th) that we are looking for in a partner. Michael Meyer in A Handbook for the Humanistic Astrologer also writes that the Descendant (and the 7th house) denotes the kinds of activities that give the individual the experiences ‘he needs in order to realize the significance of others.’
Similarly, the 1st house is traditionally known as the ‘the house of the self’. The 7th house, which is the farthest from the 1st, is labeled ‘the house of the not-self’. It is also known as ‘the house of marriage’ and curiously as ‘the house of open enemies’. Marriage here is taken to mean any important relationship based on mutual commitment, legally contracted or otherwise. In the 7th house, two people come together for a purpose – to enhance the quality of their lives by joining with one another, to produce a family and gain greater security and stability, and to assuage loneliness and isolation.
Most astrological textbooks teach that the planets and signs in the 7th house describe the marriage partner, or ‘the significant other’. This is true as far as it goes. Placements in the 7th often indicate the kind of partner(s) to whom we are attracted. For instance, a man with the Moon in the 7th may seek a partner who reflects the qualities of the Moon: someone who is receptive, compassionate and caring. A woman with Mars in the 7th may be attracted to a partner who reflects the qualities of Mars: someone who is assertive, direct and forceful. She may be looking for someone to make decisions for her and to tell her what to do.
If there are a number of planets or different signs (as in the case of an intercepted house) in the 7th, the issue can become very confusing because we are looking for so many different kinds of attributes in a partner. For example, should a woman have both Saturn and Uranus in the 7th, she is seeking someone to offer stability and security (Saturn) and yet at the same time she needs someone who is unpredictable, exciting and highly individualistic (Uranus). These two sets of qualities hardly live comfortably together in one person. She may marry Saturn first, become dreadfully restless and bored, meet someone Uranian and file for a divorce. Or she may remain married to Saturn and have an affair with Uranus. Or she may marry Uranus first, divorce him on account of his unstable and erratic character, and then breathing a sigh of relief settle down safely with Saturn. Or, if she is somewhat more psychologically mature, she can marry Saturn and find ways which are unthreatening to the relationship to satisfy her need for Uranus, or even develop it more in herself. Or she can marry a Uranian man and provide the Saturnian security herself in the partnership.
More than just describing the nature of the partner, signs and planets in the 7th suggest the conditions of the relationship: the archetypes constellated by the union itself. Saturn there could indicate a union based on duty and obligation. Mars in the 7th is prone to ‘love’ at first sight, rushing into marriage, tempestuous battles, passionate reunions, and then more battles again. Arthur Rimbaud, the French poet shot by his lover Verlain, had explosive Pluto and Uranus both in the 7th house. Rex Harrison, wish six marriages to his name, was born with abundant Jupiter there.
As stated earlier, a planet or sign in a house suggests the predisposition to meet that archetypal principal through the area of life in question. Placements in the 7th are what we expect to find in close partnerships and therefore indicate those attributes we notice most in the other person. Invariably, something in our partner’s chart will collude with planets and signs in our 7th house, and more often than not, the partner’s chart uncannily reflects our 7th. For instance, a woman who has Mars, Saturn and Pluto in the 7th may very well find a husband who has Mars, Saturn and Pluto in the 1st or something like Aries Sun (reflecting her 7th house Mars), a Scorpio Moon (reflecting he r7th house Pluto), and three planets in Capricorn (reflecting her 7th house Saturn).
The psychological mechanism of projection must again be mentioned in respect to the Descendant and 7thhouse planets represent qualities which ‘belong to the individual, but are unconscious’ and which we try to live out ‘through a partner, or through the kinds of experiences the relationship brings.’ Let’s explore what she means by this.
The Descendant – the westernmost point in the chart – disappears from view as we are being born. In this sense, it describes what is hidden in us, what we feel doesn’t belong to us because we can’t or won’t see it in ourselves. Diametrically oppose to the Ascendant and 1st house, the Descendant and 7th reveal qualities in ourselves which we have the most difficulty ‘owning’, being responsible for, and accepting. However, as Jung points out, ‘when an inner situation is not made conscious, it happens outside, as fate.’ If we are unconscious of something in ourselves then ‘the world must perforce act out the conflict and be torn into opposite halves’. In other words, what we are unaware of in ourselves, we invariably attract to us through others. Traditionally the Descendant and the 7th house are described as those qualities we seek in a partner, but on a deeper level they represent those qualities hidden in us which we need to consciously integrate into our awareness to become whole – what Liz Greene calls ‘the inner partner’. If we have suppressed these attributes in ourselves because we find them disagreeable or unacceptable, then it is not surprising that we won’t like them when they are mirrored back to us through another person. Hence, the connotation of the 7th house as the sphere of open enemies.
However, we also tend to inhibit or ‘dis-own’ potentially positive traits as well and these may be the very attributes which allure or excite us when we meet them in others. We fall in love with those people who openly exhibit these traits because they make us feel more complete. We import these qualities into our lives by marrying them. Ideally, the partner may serve as a kind of role model for these energies, which eventually permits us to consciously integrate them back into our own nature. All too often, though, we remain reliant on the other person to supply them. We polarize with the partner and stay only half a person.
It should be made clear that projection is not something which is purely pathological. A projected image is a potential locked up within the self. When there is a need for this image to make itself known, the first step is perceiving it in someone else. Then, hopefully, we realize that it has something to do with us and we consciously take it back. For example, a woman with Mars in the 7th may not be in touch with her own power and assertiveness. Therefore, she looks for those qualities in a man. She finds a partner with a prominent Mars, one who is dominant and self-centered, and shouts orders at her. Through him, she has brought Mars into her life. However, when she can no longer tolerate him at way, it may dawn on her that she has a right to make demands as well. She begins to fight back, to make a stand for herself, and in this way she discovers Mars in her own nature.
Once we have, to some degree, reintegrated qualities in the 7th hose into our own identity, we serve to expose those principles to society at large. Therefore, a person with mars in the 7th might be someone who rouses other people to action. Someone with Saturn there could function as a teacher or mentor for others. Many people involved in the helping or caring professions have a heavy emphasis on the 7th. They require an almost continual flow of close exchange between themselves and others. It is wiser to ‘siphon off’ a packed 7th house in this way, and relieve a one-to-one partnership of the full brut of many planets there.
The ‘lower courts’ also appears under the heading of the 7th. Social mores come into being to counter-effect the excesses of rampant individuality and ensure some degree of fairness and justice in the behavior of members of society. Should these laws be transgressed, then an outside force must intervene to redress the balance. How we fare in courts of this kind is shown by placements in the 7th.
The 7th house, naturally associated with Libra and Venus, is the sphere in which we learn greater co-operation with others. It poses a dilemma with the 1st house: how much do I co-operate (7th) versus how much do I assert my own way (1st)? On the one hand, the danger is giving or blending too much and sacrificing one’s own identity. On the other, we could demand that others adapt too much to us, and deprives them of their individuality. The problem was clearly expressed by a Rabbi Hillel: ‘If I am not for myself, who will be? And if I am only for myself, what am I?’ The 7th house sets the task of encountering another person and balancing both ends of the scale.

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Hi Battle of Evermore. I have a 7th House Stellium too. Mine, however, is Taurus/Gemini and, I think my Sun is a singleton too, in all of it...? Glad you started this thread... Thanks!

PixelPixie ~ I wonder, would you have any insight regarding the Moon being conjunct Ascendent.... opposing the Sun, Merc(Rx), Venus in 7th... in a Solar Return chart? Not trying to hijack BoE's thread, just curious after reading your post...

Hey F_U You have made me laugh, on several threads, this evening Thank You

~ geminstone

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...well crap-tastic! I don't know how I missed your post Taurean_scorpion but, it is awsome! Thanks.

Future_Uncertain, all I remember reading, about empty houses is that, they still have the sway of the sign but, without the added influences of a planet.... except the rulers of the sign and house, I think. Nothing to get too concerned over, I guess it would be more tied to transit and progressions ... that's a' guess ' , however, and not of the best educated either! Since your 7th is Cancer, look to your Moon's placement maybe...?

~ geminstone

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Battle of Evermore
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posted June 18, 2005 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Battle of Evermore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh my dear God.... There is no hope for me
Wow, did you type all of that TS? Thank you!
That makes so much sense, every guy I've ever had any interest in...wow. I'm still trying to drive that Libra out of my head.
This is so weird.
"Many people involved in the helping or caring professions have a heavy emphasis on the 7th. They require an almost continual flow of close exchange between themselves and others. It is wiser to ‘siphon off’ a packed 7th house in this way, and relieve a one-to-one partnership of the full brut of many planets there." That is so me.

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posted June 18, 2005 02:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Battle of Evermore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey HD!
"ever listened to 'the planets' by holst ?"
Nope.
"out of curiosity .. do you play gospel type with the church band .. or is it
different"
Hmm, mostly contemporary, some bluegrass though, there I get to use my few mandolin skills
I will try out "Bad Sign", I like the song alot. I have the ability to play by ear, but I rarly use it... I know, that's bad.
Thanks for the link, I'm reading it right now, and my Virgo energy does find it interesting

I just can't get over that name, the Hamsters! That's kinda funny. Although I have been associated with a band called
All Play, and that's not just a funny name, it's stupid.
DW40? yeah, that does sound rather bad for you. I had this one guy tell me to rub my hand through my hair to make it slicker. That would be fine, if I didn't make sure my hair wasn't greasy before a gig, ya know?
I'm now using strings called Elixir, something, or other. They supposidly last three times as long, and are really easy on your fingers. Coated in polly web something...I don't know, I just kinda said "Whatever" to the dude at the music store when he was re-stringing, and that's what I ended up with. They are nice though.
Oh yeah, you'll never guess what my next gig is, so I'll tell you. Playing at a 90 year old guys b'day party! I'm kinda lost on what kind of music to do. I've got Johnny B. Goode, and this horrible country tune that they want me to play. One of those REALLY whiney ones. I don't know alot of country, so I'm struggling. I'd much rather just go into this crazy, fret tapping solo, but that would give him a heart attack, or maybe not? He's quite the lady's man, 90 yr. old Leo, and has a younger girlfriend, if that doesn't give him a heart attack...

Anyway, my Sun's degree, 13°49’34".
Fortunately the blues seem to be going away somewhat. If it is that Saturn transit, I'm sick of it!
As for the Uranus transit, it's hard do do your own thing when all you want to do is stay in bed all day. I'm in better spirits now though, hopefully it will last!

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