posted June 25, 2005 07:56 PM            

Hey on the subject of your Mr Aries, can you get his birthtime? You got some good answers on his Asc but they're just guesses, would like to have more to go on.....

That was really sweet what you wrote in the Biggest Fear thread.....

posted June 25, 2005 08:07 PM              

yes i will try to ask him , but these things always make me so jittery. I always imagine asking someone their birthtime, then them saying why, then me explaining astrology, then them giving me 'the look' (not the sexy look, not the dayum girl look, but the 'did you really say that...u weirdo?' look), followed by hysterical laughter

I will talk to him hopefully tonight otherwise tomorrow afternoon and try to sneak in a way. hehe. I might just tell him what time I was born and then ask what time he was born to make it sound less psycho

ur absolutely right about the guesses about asc. its absolutely unreliable until there is an actual accurate time...and then houses and esp the Asc and seventh house are so important in relationships (in his case it might be the first and third houses too--being an Aries sun/Gem moon!). And im just dying to know the ruler of his chart!

oh it really is a fear of mine to be remembered badly zala! i think what people think about u when youre not around is truly a reflection on both people--the thinker and the thinkee hehe. Even if we dismiss these things as 'well people just like to gossip and degrade other people', the fact remains that there is at least a grain of truth to what other people feel and think about us, because it has to do with how we come across

There is a quote that I once read that I absolutely love. I dont even remember where I Read it but I am pretty sure it was here on LL!: People will not remember what you said to them, or what you did for them; people will remember how you made them feel!

And its true, for me at least

posted June 25, 2005 09:56 PM            

"So good to see me posting again"?!? You gotta be kidding! I feel like I've been here forever this week talking to people!! I spent quite some time writing to GemStar this morning about Pluto (did I already ask you where your nPluto is and what you thought of your chapter from Steven Forrest?). My next project is going to be getting all the Neptune chapters from Liz Greene up for discussion, then after that Saturn and Uranus. I don't have a really good solid understanding of all the outers yet, and I'm still curious.....

Say, you should trek over to BoE's 7th House thread -- HD posted some hilarious cartoons over there! I'm still chuckling and wiping my eyes.....

YES, here's an entire thread with your name on it and it's not GOING to be b!tchy or profane (unless you want me to stick in some naughty words!).....

What country do you live in Secret? Do you really get the hairy-eyeball when you ask people for their birthtime, like they think you're some sort of psycho witch? I've never had that happen to me.....hope you can find out Mr Aries birth time, yes it would be good to know his chart ruler.

Secret, you wrote "oh it really is a fear of mine to be remembered badly zala! i think what people think about u when youre not around is truly a reflection on both people--the thinker and the thinkee hehe. Even if we dismiss these things as 'well people just like to gossip and degrade other people', the fact remains that there is at least a grain of truth to what other people feel and think about us, because it has to do with how we come across." I agree with HD when he says "SG .. i don't think you'll have any worries about yer second biggest somehow" I think your thinker/thinkee thing IS a reflection -- on the person who's doing the slagging, not on the victim.

I've been going thru some tickly transits today, like:
Moon Quincunx Uranus Jun 25 2005 To Jun 25 2005
Your natural independence is heightened such that you may even feel defiant in your daily life, rebellious and prone to intense irritation when faced with routines and formalities
Moon Opposition Pluto Jun 25 2005 To Jun 25 2005
You have entered an emotionally profound period in which old issues and feelings reassert themselves in your mind and heart. Your personal relationships may be strained and less than harmonious at this time
Mercury Trine Moon Jun 25 2005 To Jun 25 2005
Your pace doubles now, time passing quickly, communications rich and lively.
Venus Square Sun Jun 25 2005 To Jun 25 2005
You have entered a very pleasant phase, one in which love, affection and social activities are highlighted for you.

I just couldn't summon the energy and patience tonite to reply to sd09, though. HD, Tim and I both tried in the happy dragon thread to get thru to sd, but it sure appears that nothing we write is sinking in. And at the other end of the spectrum we have Secret Garden who pays attention in class!

Are you majoring in Bus. Admin.? What are you going to be when you grow up?!?

posted June 26, 2005 06:50 PM              

no i didnt check out the pluto thread, or i did see the one for pluto in the 3rd and 6th but didnt catch any for pluto in the first,

i have pluto in the v end of the first house, but not close enough to the second to be in the second u know, its in scorpio (i have libra rising)

but yes i know what u mean! i am intrigued by outer planets. esp pluto, saturn, uranus, because they are so mysterious in their powerful/less over energies, esp saturn because its got such a bad rap for being the pissy old planet and uranus coz its all about unexpected change and ive had so much change in my life,

ive got a v harsh opposition going on between pluto and venus, but besides that just a couple of trines and sextiles (pluto to mars, neptune and MC),

yes i did trek over to the 7th house thread, and HD is a hilarious little thang isnt he, i love the cow cartoon, its so me, and whose brilliant idea was it to put the electric fences in anyway

i live in the US and was born here but i am from Pakistan and have spent about half my life there and half here, so I really have this uniquely weird way of looking at things! my mother likes to think of me as a traditional girl from back home, but im really not! i like to mix and match, take the things i like from both places. there are definitely pluses to being from there, like the family closeness and the entire environment of caring and protecting the people u love...the sanctity assoc. with marriage and everything is v much me, but on the other hand i dont like culture when it gets to be an albatross on ones back and sometimes culture can be suffocating,

we forget that ethnicity is man made, and we adhere to it like it is some universal moral code! but its really not, its just a different way of living life. and when it comes down to that, doesnt everyone have their own personal cultural code, that is different than everyone elses? i tend to think in this sort of way, and my mother is a groupist individual, everything is very hierarchal, very structured and disciplined, inviduality is not v much in her book, she lived her life sacrificed, and she wants me to too, but i cant go through with it, it just doesnt make sense to me,

this is like the central dilemma of my life! esp when she has sacrificed her life for us, and i am not willing to do it back for her, as in 'pay' her back by marrying the person of her choice! its always such a burden on my back, my duties and respects to my family,

i wonder why Gems are so resentful of their families always?? every single one i met has not such great relations with their families, and maybe it has to do with the misunderstanding and mishandling of our emotions and desires, we really can be some of the most misunderstood people of the zodiac!

lol well no zala people dont think im a psycho witch but they do think im being v weird, and they think that im being superstitious or not realistic becoz its not 'scientifically accurate' to be into astro. now i know this is a big hairy debate i dont get into it, i have plenty of realistic reasons to be into astro, but like i said, to each his own, as long as i dont get THE LOOK

i do care about what people think of me, very much , to a point, but it depends on who the person is! there are people i like v much, i wouldnt want them to ever think ill of me. if the thinkee is insane i could care less, in that case i would only want to know if they think at all, and if they do, what do they think, besides things like, Dammn that electric fence??

ooh ur transits are so impish. i love it when the transits themselves send mixed signals. one says, u will have a great day and the other one says no u wont. then ur all confuzzled. welcome to my world, everyday life here is kinda like that.

posted June 26, 2005 07:01 PM              

i oftentimes find that when i dont pay attention i do so much better. jk. i have the attention span of a raisin but i DO learn best by paying attention simply and tend to do v well at school by doing just that, absorbing away like a sponge!

im a business major, with an emphasis in marketing, and i eventually want to go into advertising or public relations, product development is another great thing i wanna do, not very much into marketing research,

right now im doing a marketing communications internship and a part time sales job, former with Siemens and latter with Pepsi Bottling group both of which are great companies and i hope i can get full time positions there in the fall, but right now just doing my best and hoping

the reason i said that i wish i dont regret my career choice is not that i have second thoughts, on the contrary i LOVE my major and my jobs, and think im pretty good at both, but i had to battle my mom for this and changed my major forcefully (She was pushing me into medicine),

so i had to fight a long battle to do what i wanted, and although it involved a lot of bitterness on her part towards me, it worked out really well so far,

and i hope it will only turn better as time goes on, so that she can see how hopelessly silly she was for giving herself and me so much grief over something like that!

its not so much that i want to prove somethin to her, but i dont want her to ever be able to say, i told u so!

posted June 30, 2005 09:47 PM            

First things first: Pluto in the 1st House is here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005698.html

Think I will run the software and post your Pluto-Venus aspects, since you mentioned them, and please remind me to do Pluto-Mars and Pluto-Neptune too if I forget.....

Hey thanks for sharing your history with me, ya know I feel for your mom, to have the life squashed out of her by culture and upbringing, in a manner of speaking. You write that her life is "very structured and disciplined, inviduality is not v much in her book, she lived her life sacrificed, and she wants me to too, but i cant go through with it, it just doesnt make sense to me.". I really admire your courage and strength of will, sweetie! You've broken away from useless and outmoded concepts but kept the best from your culture, you can't do any better than that! But what about you being torn by she wants you to "pay' her back by marrying the person of her choice!". You're still upset, with some vestiges of guilt about this, eh? You're not alone in this one, my mom always wanted me to marry a doctor or a banker! Yah, right! Can you see Hippie-Zala as the wife of a bank officer?!? Mom is still hoping to get me married off to some paragon of society, she just doesn't listen when I tell her it's not high on my Priorities List! In a way I feel it as a criticism of my independence -- as if somehow I cannot take care of myself and must have a husband in order to be truly secure. I let it slide off though, because this is a woman who spent 49 years cozily at home being the All-American June Cleaver-type. She knows no other way. I believe she has a Leo Moon (not sure of birth time but it fits) so the "my way is the only right way" theme fits.

You wrote "i wonder why Gems are so resentful of their families always?? every single one i met has not such great relations with their families" -- that's odd/interesting, because it fits -- my Gemini brother is the "black sheep" of our family. He always said he was really born to another family and was mistakenly given to Mom -- which was always a hilarious concept for her! My brother is a story-and-a-half, but he is really the ONLY Gemini I know, so for a long time he was the astro-archetype for me -- thank goodness I've met a lot of your ilk around LL to modify my perceptions of your Sun sign!

Say, I feel the same about learning: "i oftentimes find that when i dont pay attention i do so much better." Somehow I've got this ability to soak things up by osmosis -- I think part of it comes from Merc and my stellium in Libra in III, and my Pisces Moon in VIII. I also think that Uranus transiting my 3rd house when I was in my early 20's was HUGE (didja read that old thread? I can resurrect it).....

Gotta bug out for awhile, have a couple of scans to run!

posted July 03, 2005 02:53 AM              

yes i did get a look at the pluto thread and wrote back to u there too me thinks at least. i will head on over there agian to see if i did post that reply or the invisible internet monster man ate it

yes its very difficult becoz i love my mom. and shes had such a difficult life. shes an admirable person. shes very intelligent, a little eccentric, very hardworking, and has sacrificed a lot. she is very into hierarcy. she listened to ehr parents 100 percent of the time. now she expects me to do that too but i cant, if i do i end up being miserable absolutely and cant even concentrate on school and work. she wants the best for me, but she doesnt understand that i feel suffocated...and that i just dont believe in the arranged marriage much...and i need to be let free...to be myself, i wont disappoint her , im not into weird things im pretty traditional myself but i need freedom to love who i DO love, and how can love ever be ugly, unless u refuse to see it for what it is?

yes my mom recently has had probs with the my way highway syndrome, although she accuses me of the same, but the way i see it, i just want to live my life the way i want period, but at least i dont dictate for other people to live THEIR lives the way I want, which would make no sense, u see? i wnt to have complete control over my decisions, but not over anyone elses. i wish she would live her life the same way... oh i wish!

posted July 03, 2005 02:53 AM              

and about ur black sheep brother, i am SO the black sheep of my family. for starters no one understands my weird humor except my brother in law and occasionaly my brother (both are Libras). gems, aquas and libras never seem to be offended by what i have to say...even when i can get to be a bitter b!tch, sorry to say i really can be one sometimes lol but they find it amusing or justified, i love the air signs just getting each other bit, if only air men werent so noncommittal, and could stop denying the fact that they really CANT live without me. silly boys

oh yes i dont pay attention always but i do seem to grasp whats most important. when i do pay attention i have no need to do any reviewing, studying or research becoz i usually do just fine listening. i absorb like a sponge, kind of the osmosis u talked about! im a v good listener, for all the blab that i do! when i shut up i actually DO process and comprehend others words v well lol

Love
SG

posted July 03, 2005 01:26 PM            

Wow, do you ever have me pegged! "u would be protesting unjust treatment of ticks when using anti-pest sprays or something" You are such a wit! Yah, that banker-type Mom wanted me married off to probably wouldn't have appreciated that time back during the protests of the Vietnam War when I started a fire in the street.....can't remember what on earth we found to burn -- we didn't loot any shops or anything -- but, well, I was the only Girl Scout there who could start a fire, and it was cold, so.....

As for the last US Pres election, it’s been a long time since I’ve gotten as politically involved as the ‘Nam era, but I did do quite a bit of writing to editorial columns and websites starting about 2003 as to what I view as the Truth about our current administration. But this is an astro website, so I’m not going any further than that…..

You wrote ” its very difficult becoz i love my mom. and shes had such a difficult life, shes an admirable person, but she doesnt understand that i feel suffocated and i need to be let free...to be myself, i wont disappoint her.” I felt exactly the same at your age (and even now), but the conflict cannot be dispelled since our mothers’ perceptions are that we WILL disappoint them, by not following the path laid out for THEM (which should certainly be good enough for US, right?!?), which may or may not be the path laid out for US. I think also being moms, they fear for us going astray out there in The Great Wide-Open, The Great Unknown, because we eschewed the familiar path and took the road less traveled or blazed a new one. The world can be a dangerous, dark, scary place……. And ” at least i dont dictate for other people to live THEIR lives the way I want.” I bend over backwards not to try to jam my 9-year-old son into some mold of my choosing – I am fascinated and excited by all his varying likes and dislikes! If he wants to be a car mechanic instead of going to college for a traditional degree, that’s FINE by me! What is important to me is teaching this child how to make good choices for himself, but being Aries/Leo/Leo, we do have issues!!

posted July 03, 2005 01:28 PM            

And ” i love the air signs just getting each other bit, if only air men werent so noncommittal, and could stop denying the fact that they really CANT live without me. silly boys.” You wouldn’t think Air could be so dense, would you?!? I know what you mean about the non-committing tendency of Airy men, although there are lots and lots of exceptions. I lived with an Aquarian for two years, and that’s one of the main reasons we split. But I work with an Aquarian man who has been happily married to a Libra for 25 years (his reason for staying with her: ‘she was the only one who would have me’ -- !!!!) and I also work with a Libra guy who calls me his favorite shrink, who has been happily married to an Aries for 30 years. So, they ARE out there. Don’t know about Gems, my brother is really the only one I have had close contact with……

posted July 05, 2005 08:40 PM            

Wanna talk about Chiron and whatever else?!?

'Z

PS: I was up late for fireworks last night hon, I gotta get to bed, I'll check in tomorrow to see how you're doing.....

posted July 05, 2005 11:11 PM              

after a much traumatic evening! i dont know why confusion seems to be descending! my drug abusing drunkard good fer nothing bro is flying in on sat to really wreck my nerves! and i know my mother will be so emotionally distraught. ergh what a bad situation thats gonna be, feel like theres some volcano waiting to explode in terms of family life in the background here

and i loved ur chiron descriptions! thank u! great ur so sweet zala. u always post all this stuff for other ppl! and i know its a mutual learning experience, but its such great knowledge sharing! i wish i could spend more time sharing the stuff i have with the other posters here. but truth me told i jus sorta come here at the end of the long long work/school day to escape burnout! it relieves me, i get to blab about whatever, theres always some interesting thread isnt there?

well zala i do plan on doing the charity/humanitarian bit but i also know there are so many ways and times, and trying to decide how to proceed. hehe . hows ur mom doing now? all moved out or not yet? sweet that ur taking care of her in the meantime!

oh about the air men! my favorite topic to blab over. hehehe. i made like 7 posts today over the aqua. donno why i remember him so much today! i had a dream about him yday zala, that he was disturbed, and i felt like i shud call him, but i didnt want to bother him! hes always so busy u know.

oh gosh! i was just typing about him and he signed online. lol . and i just asked him and he said hes ok. as usual hes in a rush to get out but ill ask him more later he really didnt sound so great to me

i have this kind of weird premonitions zala, once when i was with my leo, the one who didnt care for me one bit, i had a dream that he had gotten into an accident. when i called his best friend , who was convinced that he was just going to work, i forced him to call him again and found out that he had indeed had an accident, a drunk driver hit his car! insane isnt it? its not always true, of course we all have those horrid dark feelings without any logic or consequence, but sometimes its so strong and it just turns out to be right u know? thankfully tho the leo was ok

ive seen a bunch of air men who really do live faithfully with their wives, but it always seems like i cant be one of them zala, and it can be so heartbreaking. i know for a fact that a libra man would devote his soul to me entirely, libra men are totally crazy attracted to me too, for some reason, must be the libra rising, but it just never reaches that level of love

posted July 06, 2005 12:02 AM              

oh that libra with the 'shes the only one who would have me', it reminded me of one of my bosses! i know that my female boss is a taurus, and another one is a leo, and my other direct boss is kind of different from the both of them, very sensitive and softhearted, all into fun and taking us for lunches, he talks about his wife as 'the woman i married coz shes the only one who had the guts to kiss me!', and loves spending time with his daughters. he dresses like a 30 yr old although hes probably nearing 50 lol. i know for a fact hes not a fixed sign, and not earth either. im guessing he may be a ... libra! and hes very drawn to me also, always making sure i have everything i need to work, bringing in chocolates randomly and things to my cubicle! its very cute.

posted July 06, 2005 12:03 AM              

and yes air can be dense! even slower than taurus, more complicated than cancer, zanier than pisces, and more eccentric than Sagis,

introducing.....the AQUA male! *ta da!*

im serious those aquas are so captivating and weird at the same time. Being a Gem/Scorp im all for everything weird. if only they would settle down and stop being so unstable. groar!

summer school isnt over yet finals for the first session, then second session starts at the end of it all i go abroad for a week, then fall semester starts! aah lol

but yes the regular spring semester IS over!

yay

posted July 08, 2005 07:45 PM            

Thought I’d reply here instead of your Please Send Me Strength thread…….

Please know that I will always send you a piece of my spirit and courage if your meter is running low, just say the word. Wanna catch up here in this thread before we go on to the subject of Mr Aries………

” my drug abusing drunkard good fer nothing bro is flying in on sat to really wreck my nerves” Wow, you’ve got one too! Wouldn’t it be odd if he were a Libra (my alcoholic brother is a Gemini!). How does your mother deal with his substance abuse? My mother would make snide comments, but then put on the blinders and bend over backwards to help him out (or maybe I should just say she would bend over and take all his krap).

” i had a dream about him yday zala, that he was disturbed…..i was just typing about him and he signed online. Lol….once when i was with my leo, the one who didnt care for me one bit, i had a dream that he had gotten into an accident…” Ah-hah, that Scorp Moon of yours IS picking up vibes, as they are wont to do! I’m disappointed to see you thinking ” insane isnt it? its not always true, of course we all have those horrid dark feelings without any logic or consequence, but sometimes its so strong and it just turns out to be right u know?” I have learned to trust my Pisces Moon intuition and follow my feelings, whether the logical-Libra side of me agrees or not! The times I’ve gotten bad vibes about someone, and told myself I was being silly, but then it turned out I was right in the first place (great example – the ex)…….I’ve learned my lesson now!

” ive seen a bunch of air men who really do live faithfully with their wives, but it always seems like i cant be one of them zala, and it can be so heartbreaking. i know for a fact that a libra man would devote his soul to me entirely, libra men are totally crazy attracted to me too, for some reason, must be the libra rising, but it just never reaches that level of love” Secret honey, you’ve only just turned 20 years old! You saying it ALWAYS seems like you can’t be one of them (a wife/partner) seems a little premature to me! You’ve only been swimming in the sea for a few years, and there are A LOT of other fish out there! ” i cant speak less than 20,000 words to ur every one question” And I can’t speak less than 10,000 words to your every answer!!! ” and yes air can be dense! even slower than taurus,” –ooohh, living dangerously there Deputy #? – better hope the Dragon-Man doesn’t see that!! ” at the end of it all i go abroad for a week” Is this when you’re going to Israel – when do you leave?

posted July 08, 2005 07:46 PM            

OK, now to Mr Aries…..Here’s some stuff I picked out from what you wrote.
” but hes doing something very fishy
indirect guilt and things hes been putting me through...the possessiveness, the material concerns
i have no concrete reason but my suspicions and fears, my gut tells me this is not right and he is not right, hes lying to me
half the things he says sound like outright lies
maybe it is just that he doesnt challenge me on a mental level
maybe i need to stop thinking about doing, and start thinking about being, and letting,
its also about me being confused. I feel very warm and fuzzy about the Aries.
I know that he needs me but sometimes he drains my strength too much.
if I really loved him I wouldnt doubt it would I?
the Aries cant really answer my questions or provide me support.
the Aries needs my support constantly because he is so emotionally fragile.
but I see myself as more subdued because I would have to let go of a few of my own stubborn/liberal ideals
Should I stay with the secure deal, the kind of rocky love, or should I go for the stimulating friendly relationship with the Aqua, where there is more understanding??
its v possible that none of them may be the right choice...and that im limiting myself.
i also have a lot of family pressure to get married by next year (!) although i dont want to…..she asks for something i cant give, which is my freedom to choose, me being an air sign, it stifles me”

Oh, I love AG’s reply!
” You're a Gemini without a third option? I just don't see that as possible. I don't agree with you framing it as only the Aqua or Aries. You're a charming girl with a good head on your shoulders. Who's to say you won't attract others? Maybe an all-new Aqua. Maybe a Libra, or a Sag with Scorpio rising like you. You're still young. Start flirting. Drop both the Aqua and the Aries. I agree that you'd be asking for a world of hurt by going for the Aries.”

It must be EXTREMELY difficult to deal with your family/cultural expectations. I know in many cultures around the world, if a woman is not married with children by 20, then she is ostracized. I hope you aren’t succumbing to this pressure, Secret. We’ve talked about this before over the last couple months. Tell you what, if you aren’t married with kids by the time you’re 40, THEN let’s worry about it!!

Astro-Mama Zala’s advice is to let go of Mr Aries AND Mr Aqua. You are mourning the lack you see in The Known Quantities, ie, your Aries doesn’t challenge you mentally (WHOA IS THAT EVER TROUBLE FOR A GEMINI!!!) and your Aqua comes up short on the commitment angle. There are a lot of Unknown Quantities out there to be explored, guys who would love to have a chance to be friends with a smart cookie like Secret Garden – believe me! Secret, you DON’T HAVE TO MAKE A CHOICE RIGHT NOW between two people that you don’t/can’t love, the way one should love a prospective partner. You’ve got a lot going on in your own life right now, you’re not done with school yet – howzabout we play the field until you graduate and then take another look at your options?

posted July 11, 2005 03:19 PM            

Wanna talk, sweetie? I'm home this afternoon.

posted July 12, 2005 03:24 AM              

sorry a bit late replying Its just that i knew i would have such a big reply and i had to muster the energy to write u such a longgggggg reply. lol

in any case, here i start:

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Wouldn’t it be odd if he were a Libra (my alcoholic brother is a Gemini!). How does your mother deal with his substance abuse?

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OMG zala my brother IS a libra. and hes so f*ed up, its really bad. not only is a drug addict, drunkard bum but hes also failing med school and has a 300 K loan. and he doesnt give a shite about anyone at home. he only talks to me when he needs money! its horrible. i feel so abandoned and lonely sometimes. i dont really have a close relationship with anyone at home. i know they love me but no one is so liberal and understanding that i could talk to them about anything. sometimes i think its so difficult, this thing called family, we kind of have to behave with them to seem grateful but its so difficult its like god threw together the most diametrically opposed people ever!!

and my mother, i feel for her, becoz hes her little boy and she cant really let go and needs him there, and keeps supplying him money and everything that just makes him in turn more and more dependent. but then she doesnt want to totally cut him off either coz hed probably starve to death, hes so stupid all those drugs totally killed his brain cells! and hes with this obnoxious chick thats wayyy older than him. she looks down on all the rest of us as 'brown people' (shes caucasian) And she makes fun of my brother in laws accent (hes from back home, we're all american citizens). it really ****** me off!

posted July 12, 2005 03:29 AM              

yeah zala my scorp moon DOES kick in with that intuition. esp before i get screwed over yday i had the worse feeling and felt like nothing was going to go right. and what happened?? my cars tire exploded on the freeway, argh. luckily i managed to steer to the shoulder without hitting anyone or anything. had to take it for repair today and then i lost my drivers license. lol its so frustrating that its actually funny so now i have to go get a new one tomorrow, i swear this week has been horrible luck. yet it must be somethin in my transits, i feel really good and giddy most of the time. i think pisces moon is better tho coz scorp moon can be clouded by personal emotions-esp negative ones too much! my moms a pisces moon and her intuition has usually always been right but then again like me she can get paranoid and follow her emotions too much sometimes hehe. i think ur libra sun placement is a blessing in that situation, where it sort of waters down the over emotional affect... altho having air/water can be difficult i actually like it i think it gives a lot of depth of chracter

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You’ve only been swimming in the sea for a few years, and there are A LOT of other fish out there

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lol yes but i want the water bearers and lions and rams not the fish. ok ok that was sooooo lame that it deserves a cringe-induced laugh

actually ur right but men in general fascinate me becoz not only do they understand me and like me a lot more than women (even my male cousins and relatives, and my colleagues and guy friends, as opposed to my female friends/colleagues/family), but they also are attracted to me like magnets ive literally had every kind of guy attracted to me. first i was flattered now im just plain confused!

posted July 12, 2005 03:42 AM              

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better hope the Dragon-Man doesn’t see that!! ” at the end of it all i go abroad for a week” Is this when you’re going to Israel – when do you leave?

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lol i hope HD does see and comes to whip me havent seen him angry. erm maybe im asking for trouble. but then im a devious little Gem. trouble i live for

i go to israel aug. 14, hopefully, i hope no terrorism threats/security issues take place, because i really wanna go and hope that i get to

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It must be EXTREMELY difficult to deal with your family/cultural expectations. I know in many cultures around the world, if a woman is not married with children by 20, then she is ostracized. I hope you aren’t succumbing to this pressure, Secret. We’ve talked about this before over the last couple months. Tell you what, if you aren’t married with kids by the time you’re 40, THEN let’s worry about it!!

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yes id like to, but i cant even IMAGINE how different my life will be when im 40. i cant help but succumb to the pressure somewhat zala. im trying to find some aunts/uncles to take my side to at least give me a year or two of freedom from even the thought of marriage. i DO want to play the field like you said a bit, not in the promiscuous way, but meet different men and see who i like best u know? i dont have any probs with following the conservative rules--the no premarital sex etc, becoz i dont think im promiscuous etc by nature anyways. but as a Gemini, platonic relationships and romance without sex DOES exist in my world. that doesnt mean im not a lean mean love making machine , afterall i was married, but i do have a steel discipline (scorp stellium, 2nd house) and i can follow the rules IF they dont suffocate me... but my moms not willing to compromise with that either

posted July 12, 2005 03:43 AM              

and my computer is even RIDICULOUSER than urs lol

well lets see wha thappens zala i just dont want to have to compromise to all her conditions but i also dont want to hurt her feelings and trample all over her dreams. i wish there were a way they could co exist!

btw thanks for the lovely collage of phrases about the aries...i wish i could out of the relationship but hes just so emotionally involved and the truth is that its my fault that i let him get that way and encouraged it. i will have to slowly back away, i cant just end it with no reason except the fact that i woke up and saw that he wasnt right and we're moving too fast

yes u are absolutely right about the Unknown quantities. do u ever evaluate people along those guidelines too zala?

yes id like to meet different men till i graduate... im not too impulsive by nature (sometimes--Venus in Aries), but I do like to move in logical steps. Wish i could,a nd didnt have this much pressure

Love and prayer for u , and for me too

posted July 12, 2005 11:34 PM            

Lotta stuff here and Zala is bushed -- I'll come back and yak tomorrow.