posted July 29, 2005 12:59 PM              

earth
http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/hdpics/ert1.html http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/hdpics/ert2.html

fire
http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/hdpics/fir1.html http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/hdpics/fir2.html http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/hdpics/fir3.html

posted July 29, 2005 01:58 PM            

I like the new 12-pointed star -- my favorite colors! PS: Congrats on 500 posts!

posted July 29, 2005 07:34 PM            

From the second part:

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EARTH PARENT TO FIRE CHILD who is learning how to paint/play piano/study philosophy/master the architecture of smoke rings:
Why are you wasting your time on that rubbish? You should be out learning how to make money.
(Not sure why the editor didn't use commas)

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I'm a Cap, and I'd like to learn to paint, I play piano, and I've studied philosophy. I like all of these things. In fact, I think all earth signs are inherently artistic. This is really offensive stuff.

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posted July 29, 2005 09:53 PM              

Maybe it only works if you're an earth sign with no fire at all in your chart or a fire sign with no earth..seeing as though she's constantly comparing earth/fire as though they're separate..but really in someone's chart the elements aren't separate..

Most times even when you completely lack an element you'll still have planets in the houses of that element so it's still present in some form. Like for instance I'm an Aries but i have a Cap moon in the 8th, obviously I'm not going to be sexually aloof. Or when she mentions earth signs and lack of spirituality etc.. earth in itself is practical but it's next to impossible to find a chart that is ONLY earth and all miraculosly also in earth sign houses. . and even if that was possible what's the guarantee that the person wouldn't be spiritual anyways..practicality doesn't necessarily rule out spirituality

posted July 30, 2005 10:45 AM            

Perhaps you should take a look at the entire book, and not just these excerpts. It was first written by Virgo Liz Greene and published in 1980 under the title "Star Signs for Lovers", now renamed "Astrology for Lovers". For some reason she split the elements into two groups and made comparisons, that is why Earth and Fire ("Reality vs Vision") were "put together" and Water and Air ("Truth vs Harmony") were also grouped together.

I mildly object to your effort at "censorship" "I recommend earthy types NOT to read this" (Heaven forbid people should be exposed to something they might disagree with), but that's your opinion as an Earthy Sun sign, and I am only Mars in Virgo.....

Liz Greene is a contributor at astro.com, perhaps you could investigate contacting her there or at Weiser Books, Boston, MA or www.redwheelweiser.com .....perhaps there is an explanation there as to the elemental split-up, there is none in the book that I could see.....

posted July 30, 2005 02:21 PM              

I only read the fire parts posted and found them so insightful. It made me wonder how a writer can know all of this about me and we've never spoken to each other before. The magic of spirit I guess ~ ~

Ciao,

posted July 30, 2005 06:48 PM            

And I apologize, didn't mean to cause a sad blue face with my comments.....

I wonder now you've had time to reflect (and perhaps re-read?) if anything else resonates with you in a positive way rather than negative and upsetting.....

posted July 30, 2005 08:49 PM              

i think we both have the capricorn moon, but you have gemini rising, no? i have cancer rising.

spiraling deep down, the body part was/is true. i have pondered in quiet moments how limiting it is to be in a body and didn't always liked the way it looked. even though in reality, just like those articles say, it is a lot more good looking than most. i am blessed being in a body with an athletic muscle tone and beautiful feminine curves. but, as a fire sign, i do not feel that these assets are what get me through life like the way i have seen other women use it as so . . . i always joke around (yet with a serious tone) that i get by with my smarts, wit, and talent - than with a pretty face.

harsh words, i know. just my opinion though.

and the part about sex is true for me too, it's the spirit of sex that i love, not only the physical mechanics. it said that fire signs find earth signs sexually appealing, and i find it so true; even up to that certain point where liz greene says - the earth sign is getting turned on by my little pauch - and i am so not into that at all, like getting turned on by a guy's broad chest. i get turned on by his mind, his personality, good looks, but fall into love and sexual desire with his magic and charisma all enveloped together. it's hard for me explain into words (again, another fire sign thing according to liz).

which brings me back to how i am making more of a point to date guys who are fire and air signs. much more sympatico and less restrictive for this spunky aries girl . . . they understand the passion of living into and for the future . . . going against the grain . . . finding that special spark that moves long past the point where our bodies change and the things around us evolve into newer and newer advances . . . no nit picking on money, complaints, the "i can't!", "i won't eat that!" blah blah. i enjoy them, love them and can't get enough of their energy.

may be this adds more spin? does it help?

i like this line, expresses fire sentiment sweetly:

"may be i'll go out into the middle of the night? oh . . . don't burn the day away . . . " ~ dave matthews band

posted July 30, 2005 08:50 PM              

.. think i can see what u mean .. just haven't had the computer time
.. or get it straight in my head as to a reply .. i mean i don't go along
personaly with all the 'earth' stuff .. per say .. it don't say 'me' all the way
.. i mean most of us are mixed bags in any case ( as to the element make up )
.. i guess those chapters are like a painting with heavy brush strokes .. reading
the 'sign' chapters .. one sees how the element is modified by the sign etc ..
.. ( or visa versa .. too tired to think at moment ) .. i think she was a pchycolgist
first .. then got into astrology ( again maybe visa versa .. she be a virgo sun )
.. so her observations could have been made up of clients .. so who knows what she
may have come across and observed ..

as to 'earth/fire' and 'air/water' connections .. i've just seen it mentioned by a few astrologers .. i think L.Goodman mentions it in one of her Taurus chapters .. which book a canna' remember .. was about fire and earth in same chart .. whatever the case .. it be food for thought ..

i had maybe an example to relate .. but don't know how the elements may fit in ..
but it be a case of 'security/stability' versus ' bohemianism ( in a sense)' ..
anyhow if i can get it together .. shall type it .. may take a while though ..

posted July 30, 2005 09:12 PM              

air posting
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/006114.html

posted July 31, 2005 03:05 AM            

No, I don't really feel any different about it. I do realize I have a reasonable amount of fire in my chart with my Sag stellium, but I just feel like the Earth element gets such a raw deal in that portion of the book.

These suggestions about Earth being non-spiritual, and unartistic are just offensive. I grew up in a huge church a Virgo built (The Crystal Cathedral), and there are so many Earth artists and musicians. I just can't fathom how a person could come to that conclusion.

posted July 31, 2005 03:10 AM              

Also when she talks about escaping the body, living in a different kind of existence..yes I'd love to experience that. But it isn't due to not being happy with my body or the way I look. It's just that sometimes I look arround and the world seems a dull dull place so I'd much rather not be a part of it. Hope noone thinks I mean that in a suicidal way lol There's also beauty in the world though and little things that make me smile.

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but, as a fire sign, i do not feel that these assets are what get me through life like the way i have seen other women use it as so . . . i always joke around (yet with a serious tone) that i get by with my smarts, wit, and talent - than with a pretty face.

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posted August 01, 2005 01:33 PM              

Thank you for posting it Happy Dragon.

posted August 01, 2005 01:44 PM              

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These suggestions about Earth being non-spiritual, and unartistic are just offensive.

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Interstingly I didn't sense her being judgemental at all. May be as Earth signs we sometimes become bit oversensitive because, yes, quite often Earth signs are lumped together as somes ort of strictly mundane lump?

There's a another quoute from Liz Greene. It is from "Saturn - A New Look At An Old Devil" (Thank you 'Zala for posting it in LL)

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Earth is not, however, as simple as it is generally considered to be in our basic textbooks. This element has been the unfortunate victim of a body of popular opinion which suggests that matter, or the materialistic view of life, is in contradiction to, or exclusive of, spirit or the spiritualistic view of life.

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I really recommend any Earth Sun to read this even if they are not having Saturn in an Earth sign