posted August 06, 2005 01:04 AM              

I am wondering if these are red flags or if he is jealous, and if I am giving him good reason. At a party, I was wearing a very sexy outfit and spent almost no time with him, but he picked the outfit and he insisted I talk to everyone at first.

Naturally I got caught up in conversations and he wasn't around much either until the end of the night. in the car he was a little hurful both physically and verbally, although i was oversensitive as I had been drinking.

his makes me wary as my last few partners have been initially very subtle and then increasingly domineering-starts out let's talk and do things together, and ends with, this is how I want it, I decide for you, you don't decide for me.

Very surprising to me, and hard to take.
This Aqua has
Venus Square Pluto
Pluto trine Mercury in the 12th house
Aqua ascendant conjunct Mars
Venus in Pisces first house
Moon in Leo 7th house
Uranus and Pluto in the 7th in Virgo
Jupiter in Aries 2nd house
Saturn in Aquarius 1st house
Sun conjunct Mars Aquarius 1st house
Uranus opposed Venus

Me
Sun Taurus 6th house, trine pluto, trine uranus
Mercury Gemini 7th house
Moon Cancer 8th house
Venus Aries 5th house
Mars Sag 1st house
Saturn Taurus 5th house
Neptune Scorpio 1st house
Pluto and Jupiter virgo 10th house
Uranus Libra 10th house

I'm an artist and trying to sell commercial real estate as well. he's a photographer and cameraman, he's probably more financially successful than I right now. He also has two daughters by an ex Sag who seem happy. He is quite bitter sometimes as she left him for someone else, but I think he's happier too. Ironically he likes to be free, from her control, but then he likes to do the same thing with me.

How can one mix respect, need, and freedom together in one relationships? I would think respect is about expressing needs together, not expressing how one doesn't need someone. We are all vulnerable but I do not expect to be the vulnerable one this often, I get tired and want to be free too of being the communicator.

When we communicate now, he thinks I talk too much about love stuff and less about practical items. It's true, but those are my needs,

Is Leo moon traditionally domineering, or is it just my aspects are soft? Who knows, possibly this is just to let off steam (me being angry).

I hang out a lot with a Cancer guy and I wonder why it's so easy with him? or am I just delusional?

Thanks, Natasha

posted August 06, 2005 10:34 AM              

I dont know what his problem is,, but it sounds like you two realy need to talk about this, and you have to ake sure he is listening to you, and not just brushing you off as being impractical when you do.

I wouldnt be surprised if his Leo Moon isnt liking you stating your displeasure to these things in public.

And I certainly know what an Aqau Mars and its sexual excentricity is like. Unlike mine his Rising there is obviusly making him alot more publicly demonstrative about it...

I had an ex girlfreind ask me after once in only a semi public place not to smack her butt in public again. Especialy because she was a Scorpio I knew she didnt like it because it aroused her, Leo Rising had her not liking such a publick image. I had no problem understanding this, and out of respect for her and the way she felt didnt do it again outside of our home,,, well maybe once when no one was looking. [hey she had a perfect rump!]

posted August 06, 2005 10:42 AM              

what was he doing all nite? whilst you were mingling? was he also mingling or did he look out of sorts..if he was standing around doing nothing thats probably why what happenned..

sounds like a past realtionship i ahd with a taurus lady, i was younger then and very insecure

he was feeling insecure so he tried to control you i reckon

posted August 06, 2005 10:54 AM              

I will let others chime in but I have to say when I read this thread and your other, some bells when off in my head and I don't mean wedding. Having a Taurus Venus, I dated an Aquarius on and off (it's often on an off with them) for eight years. He was emotionally domineering, moody though to his credit sexy and intelligent. I am a Gemini but I gotta say Aqua men have an air to them that is simply detached. That's it. A cancer guy is about as faraway from an Aqua guy as you are ever going to get.

My expeirence with Leo anything is that it can be gorgeous yet overwhelming, pushy, jockeying in a way. Still the biggest thing that jumps out to me is to have an Aqua man (tendency not to be sentimental, and verbally or emotionallly warm and effusive)meets a Venus Square Pluto!! Yikes:

Venus square Pluto
A square forms between Venus and Pluto suggesting that your emotional life is subject to many problems. Many of these relate to sex. This aspect causes intense emotional and sexual involvements, and sometimes this can be with very DEBASING influences. In extreme cases, this aspect shows involvement with prostitution or other sex related crimes or rituals. Sexual passions are HARD TO CONTROL and properly direct, and romantic ties are in some way fated. It may be any benefit you receive is always accompanied with some negative side effect. What you want and seek is often not what you need, and obtaining the objective or object creates ill effects. Life is full of upheavals and upsets in domestic and professional affairs. There is a need to be more honest and less patronizing with people. Don't make promises unless you intend to keep them. This aspect must be controlled by the free will.

Astrology aspects - Venus square PlutoPluto introduces an element of fate into your emotional affairs, which are likely to be a source of problems in your life. Your intense emotions are liable to dictate the nature of your choices, and you may experience difficulties through being unable to control your desires and passions. This can involve you in relationships that may be basically unsuitable, and which serve to stimulate aspects of your character that may not be to your own or your partner's benefit. At an extreme, such relationships could become mutually destructive and life-spoiling, or degenerate into DEBASEMENT of character.

In general, the personality of those whose Moon sign is in Leo will be strong, proud and courageous by nature, exuding energy and drive. Such individuals relish responsibility and may be prone to take on too much. There is a natural attraction to authority here, coupled with enjoyment of being in the public eye. Persons governed by the Moon in Leo would much rather lead than follow and inherent pride makes them most susceptible to love affairs. The opposite sex finds this individual extremely interesting because of the frequency and sincerity of such affairs. The actions of those ruled by the Leo Moon attract the attention and respect of superiors within the workplace, which can mean only good things as far as any career is concerned. Such individuals are usually encouraging souls, optimistic and generous with money...sometimes a little too much so, which also applies to the display of affection. Nothing is ever done in half-measures by Leo Moon people and they are prone to set high standards, both on a personal level and for others. Anyone with the Moon in Leo will possess a strong intellect and an extreme love of the arts. Occupations are often associated with the theater, music, painting or literature. There is also a devout love of luxury and a grandiose sense of style. Lively in spirit with a desire to make a statement and a definite distaste for being ignored, the individual governed by a Leo Moon has high intelligence and excellent prioritizing skills.

At the moment of your birth, Saturn was in the sign of Aquarius. As a Saturn in Aquarius individual, you may contradict yourself by accentuating your behavior by playing the role of the common­place person. You may place social limitations on yourself because of the Aquarian need to always be an all-around ordinary person. You may go so far as to separate yourself from others by being what you think an ordinary person would be. This separation results in repression of the real you and the frustration that comes from always trying to justify yourself to others.

There's alot going in his chart, but when I hear your voice on the threads and I look at your chart, I wonder if your heart can take what he is all about. Am I totally off base here? (I also think that breast issue is not cool unless you are in to that. Turn on is a two way street or else it's unwanted reckless dominance.)

posted August 06, 2005 01:55 PM              

I cannot BELIEVE the similarities between your Mr. Aqua and my Mr. Aqua. Both Aqua with Leo Moon, Uranus & Pluto in Virgo. 'Cept my Aqua's Venus is trine his Pluto.

I can identify with the erstwhile accommodating-ness...that after a while very clearly turns into..."well, we're doing it MY way..." Aquas keep on and they won't let up until they do, indeed, get their way. Double fixed sign, if the moon is in Leo. My Aqua also has Asc & Neptune in Scorp, Merc in Aqua...go figure.

If he gets physically abusive...no excuses, think long and hard about it. I will be divorcing my Aqua for precisely that reason. Aquas can also get weirdly jealous, more jealous than anyone else in the zodiac, I have seen it time and time again.

posted August 06, 2005 02:05 PM              

Cancers on the other hand just want time spent together doing normal things, I need to spend a bit more time with my cancer pal next weekend.

This aqua does work hard, and spends money at least he's not cheap which is a good thing, however he is acting insecure right now. We will talk about it, hopefully that will go well.

posted August 06, 2005 03:44 PM              

Another rarely spoken truth, Aquas (and this means Aqua Sun, moon, rising and even Venus or Mars) seldom do well in relationships that have a lot of head-to-head aspects, because their fixed nature doesn't lend them readily to compromise. While such hard aspects often "level the playing field" between partners, Aquas tend to resent that - they want the playing field levelled by *their* own choosing, and don't adapt to having such equality forced upon them. Like ALL fixed signs, they are prone to being control freaks.

An Aqua that feels he/she needs to defend their own intelligencee/authority - whether the threat is real or merely percieved - can be a vicious opponent on bar with no other in the zodiac. Because of their cerebral, detached nature, they can abstract persoanl matters to a severely impersonal level and can blissfully overlook elements of common decency and compassion. This means they can seriously beat up someone with a more emotional, sensitive and thus more vulnerable nature without the slightly feeling of accountability.

The means, as Ariestiger pointed out, Aquas can become abusive. I have observed that Aquas who are abusive usually begin intellectually and psychological (belittling their partner, either in word or action...such as treating them like a trophy or a token, or blatantly using them/taking advantage of them), and this has a distrubing tendency to escalate to more violent abuse should the relationship continue. As odd as that may bes, seeing Aquarius is probably the least physical of all signs, it seems that its fixed nature, once on the wrong track, finds it very hard to change unless forced to change. This means, once an Aqua begins abusing, he/she doesn't stop until someone or something else forces them to.

Natasha, the simple answer to your question, Would a Aqua try to domineer a Taurus?, is YES. It is entirely int he realm of possibilty with any one with a strtong Aqua placement (I have Aqua Mars, and I have dominated every man I'v ebeen ina relationship with except this most recent one. I've had to grow up alot to get this point, however.) The standard "other aspects in the chart matter" approach to synastry doesn't apply the same way to Aquas (does that surprise anyone?). Regardless to what Aqua placement - Sun, moon, Venus, etc. - if there's head-the-head aspect with that Aqua placement, there's going to be big trouble. Aqua Suns do better with either mutable or cardinal Suns simply because the head-on contact of is enough to put an Aqua on the defensive, whether he wished to admit that or not. Add to this his fixed moon, and wow. I don't need to look at the rest of the aspects you listed to be very concerned.

posted August 06, 2005 06:04 PM              

With the cancer i feel I can talk and feel anything and it's okay, plus I am not punished for acting any particular way. I don't like all cancers, but this one is good, respectful so far (cancer/2nd house sun, taurus moon/11th house). The cancer however has a lot of aqua influence too, moon trine uranus, and he has a gemini rising, leo venus and mercury/3rd house, saturn in the 10th, and libra mars, which isn't easy either.

He tends to go his own way, unless he gets his way, but he's honest about it. he doesn't act out when he's mad, he either gets sarcastic, but not too bad, or goes off by himself for a while.

I have dated abusive cancers, one who had a leo moon and venus in gemini, so maybe leo moons and I just don't get along. my aqua brother has this and we do not talk right now because he has to have everything his way. He only calls me when he's sure I will agree with him.

Who knows as you said I will evaluate options, the one thing the aqua has going for him is that he is huge on praise, and gifts-no surprise-he is always reassuring me and telling me how wonderful I am, which is new for me, and something the cancer never does. I believe the aqua is sincere, but I will try to accept not expect!

posted August 07, 2005 09:02 AM              

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