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Topic: What in a chart would suggest THIS kind of a temprament?
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alchemiest
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posted August 08, 2005 11:01 AM
 
... an urge to rebel against authority in all forms, even when following authority would be in their best interests? Or maybe nothing in a person's chart could point to such a tendency and it's just something in their nature or upbringing?  IP: Logged |
geminirising26
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posted August 08, 2005 11:11 AM
Well, Uranus rules the unconventional and rebellion and uniqueness, so I would say Uranus would be involved. Also, on the sun sign level, Aries (wants to do things their way) and Sagittarius, have issues with authority also.IP: Logged |
Gemini Nymph
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posted August 08, 2005 04:18 PM
Unfortunately your question is a very vague and broad (and no birh data given), so I can't give much in the way very specific aspects. You also have me a bit concerned with that "just all in their unbringing" comment as if maybe someone screwed up with the person. You know, there can be very valid and right reasons to rebel, and something these are very personal and sometimes they're more social or universal. Sometiems it's a means of psychological defense when someone's in a hostile, oppressive or abusive situation and needs ot literally fight for their own sense of self. Sometimes it's simply the path for a individual to discover who they are and how they relate to the world. Other times it's sociopathology. So I haven't a clue what you mean by "rebelling against authority" - I mean are you talking about simply wearing strange clothes, having a freaky haircut and not listening to "adults" who think they "know better" or something violent or perhaps illegal, like killing policemen? At any rate....aside from Uranus/Aquarius and Aries/Mars, there's also Saturn/Capricorn, which is often an unexpected cause of rebellion. The thing is Capricorn esteems truth and authenticity, and resents authority it sees as invalid, to the point it will wage open war against it. Martin Luther King Jr. for example, was very much against authority that he deemed invalid (he just happened to have other aspects in his chart that made him take a non-violent route). Hitler, a Cap moon, could be another example - he deemed the cultural "authority" of the Jews as invalid, and literally waged genocide on them (he also bullied other German authorities that stood in his way, deeming them weak and non-patrriotic, and thus invalid). On a more personal note, I have Aqua Mars trining an Uranus singleton, both of which trine my MC - such aspects make me very openly anti-status quo (I hesistate to say anti-authority, because I'm not - I have significant Saturn influence that makes me very appreciative of *valid* authority). This has gotten me into a lot of trouble over the years. My guy also has a prominent Uranus, Saturn in Aqua and 10th house Mars, and he too has been very rebellious in his life. However, people like us who are very Uranian-Saturnian can't be pushed around or coercied to meet society's expectations - period. What usually is in our best interest is to find our own way, do it for ourselves and adhere to our own priniciples. As far as I'm concerned, as long as we're not abusing or hurting other people, there's nothing wrong with it, evne if other people thinkg they know what's in our best interest. IP: Logged |
alchemiest
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posted August 08, 2005 11:43 PM
thanks for the replies guys =)
I basically wanted to know about which planets would affect 'rebellious' tendencies and such. I was asking for myself, as I find that I very often display this trait. I think as you said, GN, a lot of it has to do with identifying the self (not that I was abused or anything lol) which made me think that perhaps there was no astrological marker for such tendencies. I was curious because I noticed that when I have respect for/like a person, I will usually listen to what they say and factor that into my decisions where appropriate. However, if I get p!$$ed off at someone, I will most often take a course of action in complete opposition to anything they might have suggested, even if such a course of action is detrimental and I am aware of this fact. It's something I can't control. Also, I've never been a troublemaker as in like, gone against the law or anything, but I just hate authority figures in general. A lot of people probably do, haha.
let me see if I can drag up my chart to look at my uranus/mars/saturn placements....
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alchemiest
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posted August 08, 2005 11:47 PM
here we go... Sun Gemini 01°19'13 07 direct
Moon Cancer 00°17'47 08 direct
Mercury Taurus 13°49'05 07 direct
Venus Aries 17°40'56 06 direct
Mars Gemini 17°55'23 08 direct
Jupiter Aquarius 16°40'46 04 direct
Saturn Scorpio 24°19'43 01 retrograde
Uranus Sagittarius 16°36'33 02 retrograde
Neptune Capricorn 03°03'19 02/3 retrograde
Neptune is technically near the end of house 2 and is interpreted in house 3.
Pluto Scorpio 02°35'14 12/1 retrograde
Pluto is technically near the end of house 12 and is interpreted in house 1.
True Node Taurus 18°11'02 07 retrograde
House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Scorpio 05°15'54
2nd House Sagittarius 04°31'38
3rd House Capricorn 04°23'11
Imum Coeli Aquarius 05°16'05
5th House Pisces 06°56'11
6th House Aries 07°33'21
Descendant Taurus 05°15'54
8th House Gemini 04°31'38
9th House Cancer 04°23'11
Medium Coeli Leo 05°16'05
11th House Virgo 06°56'11
12th House Libra 07°33'21
Major aspects
Sun Opposition Saturn 6°59
Sun Quincunx Neptune 1°44
Sun Quincunx Pluto 1°16
Moon Opposition Neptune 2°46
Moon Trine Pluto 2°17
Moon Trine Ascendant 4°58
Mercury Square Jupiter 2°52
Mercury Quincunx Uranus 2°47
Venus Sextile Mars 0°14
Venus Sextile Jupiter 1°00
Venus Trine Uranus 1°04
Mars Trine Jupiter 1°15
Mars Opposition Uranus 1°19
Jupiter Sextile Uranus 0°04
Neptune Sextile Pluto 0°28
Neptune Sextile Ascendant 2°13
Pluto Conjunction Ascendant 2°41 IP: Logged |
alchemiest
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posted August 08, 2005 11:53 PM
Hmm... the uranus is in saggittarius, so maybe that affects something... and also the mars that's in opposition to uranus. An opposition is a 'hard' aspect, right? So that might signify a connection between temper and reactionary behavior.
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lovely*
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posted August 09, 2005 02:08 AM
just a quick look and you can see his chart is mainly composed of fixed and cardinal signs. driven-obstinate-know-it-all perhaps? nep/moon opp= idealist; has specific ideas on how things ought to be.. pluto rising in scorpio..powerful in his convictions; feeling invinceable? GN should be able to help with the pluto rising as she has that placement herself  IP: Logged |
SecretGardenAgain
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posted August 09, 2005 02:45 AM
im a pluto rising Gem sun myself and have serious problems with rebellion. i dont consider them problems on MY part oh no. i think everyone around me gives me a really hard time about it becoz they dont appreciate my novelty. if i were a guy, i think, my eccentricity would be much more appreciated. i am very fixed on this issue. i have no cardinals but mainly fixed chart. Love
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cancerrg
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posted August 09, 2005 03:55 AM
what expalins my short temper .
though i am not the kind to use violece but i feel i can be very very violent if i feel like .
any insights ! here is the chart: Sun Cancer 07°39'33 03 direct
Moon Taurus 05°00'05 01 direct
Mercury Cancer 24°26'44 04 direct
Venus Leo 15°49'37 05 direct
Mars Virgo 08°46'45 05 direct
Jupiter Cancer 15°25'31 03/4 direct
Jupiter is technically near the end of house 3 and is interpreted in house 4.
Saturn Leo 27°06'16 05 direct
Uranus Scorpio 12°30'49 07 retrograde
Neptune Sagittarius 16°22'35 08 retrograde
Pluto Libra 13°54'23 06 direct
True Node Libra 00°56'53 06 retrograde
House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Aries 22°50'06
2nd House Taurus 25°34'31
3rd House Gemini 21°31'14
Imum Coeli Cancer 15°27'58
5th House Leo 11°25'15
6th House Virgo 13°21'05
Descendant Libra 22°50'06
8th House Scorpio 25°34'31
9th House Sagittarius 21°31'14
Medium Coeli Capricorn 15°27'58
11th House Aquarius 11°25'15
12th House Pisces 13°21'05
Major aspects
Sun Sextile Moon 2°39
Sun Sextile Mars 1°07
Sun Conjunction Jupiter 7°46
Sun Trine Uranus 4°51
Sun Square Pluto 6°15
Moon Trine Mars 3°47
Moon Trine Saturn 7°54
Moon Opposition Uranus 7°31
Mercury Square Ascendant 1°37
Venus Square Uranus 3°19
Venus Trine Neptune 0°33
Venus Sextile Pluto 1°55
Mars Sextile Uranus 3°44
Jupiter Trine Uranus 2°55
Jupiter Quincunx Neptune 0°57
Jupiter Square Pluto 1°31
Saturn Trine Ascendant 4°16
Neptune Sextile Pluto 2°28
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alchemiest
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posted August 09, 2005 08:51 AM
Thanks lovely =) It's my chart, btw.
SG  Yes, I like to think of it as not my fault too! You were born in 1985 too, right? Huzzah! Two 1985 gems here! =)IP: Logged |
thosa
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posted August 10, 2005 02:30 PM
CG, I think ur aries asc is one reason for ur short temper, and maybe also sun square pluto..IP: Logged |
angelgirl
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posted August 11, 2005 11:19 PM
hi all, if you lovely people can put in your birth info i can look at your charts and help you out. angelgirlIP: Logged |
Mystic Gemini
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posted August 11, 2005 11:27 PM
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