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whiterabbit
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posted August 08, 2005 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for whiterabbit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok, I have loved that lyrics for years, I'm just starting to get what it means. My question- does that need to be reflected in someon else, and the bad habit of getting one's sense of self and worth from those reflections- is this universal? Or particular? And if it's not universal- what is happening astrologically? I'm thinking a very Mutable chart- but then Mutable is the least-represented modality in my birth chart and yet I totally identify with this line. Does this make sense to anyone else?

P.S. Dave Gahan is Taurus w/ Cancer moon, Mercury/Venus in Gemini, Mars in Aries, Jupiter in Pisces..

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posted August 09, 2005 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just Dave Gahan........ahhh

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posted August 09, 2005 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His voice is awesome. One of my favorites for sure.

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whiterabbit
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posted August 09, 2005 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for whiterabbit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes he is delightful...buuuut..any thoughts on the lyric?

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posted August 09, 2005 07:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His chart looks a lot like mine,
I would say that I only become myself when I TRUST someone else, I don't like the word lose.

But Trust is very hard as you get smarter, you trust less. Still there's a deep primal need to trust that I believe exists. I would believe anything it's true, and then I get my heart broken. I have very trustworthy friends, who get hurt, who protect me.

Cancers trust, so I spend time with Cancers,
and they know the word codependent. On the other hand every major player in this world, trusted someone else totally and had their dreams come true, some dreams died totally.

I find people who are dream makers, but some crush me. I still keep moving on but I have to find ones who do this, its' drama but it's all or nothing with me, and that makes me move on.

In the last 6-9 months alone someone broke into my house and trashed it, peed on my mattress, someone who I trusted. Another walked out on me, after borrowing a large sum of money. Another loved one cheated on me, and betrayed me and laughed that I believed him.

There are big misunderstandings in my life that boil down to me believing someone who was lying. And it's blamed on me because I believed. Still I go on believing and trusting because I have the most amazing lover, the most amazing friends, a home, a home away from home, hope, and pets.

So there must be something to this total trust or nothing thing.

hang in there,

when my last b/f walked out, I told myself I would find a man who treated me like a princess or there would be nothing ever again. And I would die trying, cause I wanted it bad enough. About six months later a man who was not particularly good looking, came into my life and treated me like I was the most amazing angel. He would go out in the middle of the night to buy a cappuccino machine to serve me my favourite type of coffee first thing in the morning, and we never were intimate. He saved the sheets I slept on.

He acted like he was truly happy and blessed to be in my presence, as if I was the coolest, hippest, most fantastically sexy woman in the world. I really feel that way today because of him.

Now I don't know what I did to deserve that, but I held on and refused to give in to crying. I made myself believe, move on, move around, meet new people, or I told myself I would be dead soon. I don't want to live my life feeling dead because of someone who tried to get me to live a dead dream. I need real flesh and blood people, I won't hang on to a dead man, dying dreams.

It's a technicolour world and I don't want to live colour blind.

Hug,

Natasha


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whiterabbit
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posted August 10, 2005 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for whiterabbit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Natasha, beautiful words (as always). I won't even go into the trust thing- it's a non-issue in my life in the sense that I don't even attempt to deal with it. That's what escapism is for, right? To "lose" myself.. this means my focus in on someone else, I guess? But maybe it's just being totally focused on my mirrored self? I don't know, I seem to be incapable of "falling" for someone without losing my head. A friend sent me the lyrics to "Honey Pie" by the Beatles- honey pie, you're making me crazy.. i'm in love but i'm lazy..
It's like my identity comes from how a man feels about me, and how I feel about him. I'm just asking myself- what kind of woman am I, without a man's eyes on me, without someone on my mind. Who am I, sitting on my bed in my underwear, smoking..
I've got Neptune conjunct IC and square Ascendant. No sense of having my feet on the ground, of roots?
Or is it just the Pluto square Venus? Ha, ha.. I'm just trying to make this post astrological when really I just needed to rant.

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