posted August 18, 2005 11:29 AM              

I too have the very same placement within my natal chart which is a real pain at times. But I guess that's in part to do with the fact that maybe I haven't learnt to handle this energy properly yet.

It makes for some very annoying situations I can tell you. With both men and women.

It's almost as if people see you and judge you too be a threat to them in some way, without even knowing you. Then they sort of hold you at bay a little and treat you as if you are some kind of outcast, who doesn't count - wa**kers

Another bad point of concern is because Pluto is such a slow moving planet I have noticed that a lot of my partners due to being within a couple of years of my own age, have all had their Pluto sitting conjunct mine and obviously oppossing my Venus, which is just like rubbing salt into the wound at the end of the day. So now I tend to laugh when I meet someone, because I have had continual experience of what Pluto does to Venus when in the oppossition between two charts.

So now I keep having to stop telling myself that it is almost pointless trying to start or build a relationship when you already know whats going to happen 2 - 3months down the line......

It really is pants sometimes.

Anyway - back to the natal interpretation of Pluto opp Venus

Venus Opposition Pluto

Your close emotional relationships with others may be difficult at times unless you make an effort to do the following. First of all, make sure that you don't try to hold on to your friends too tightly. Let them do what they want when you are together and allow them to have other friends as well.

You should be careful about the kind of people whom you are attracted to, because sometimes this aspect means that you are attracted to difficult and demanding people. If you have a friend who is very difficult to contend with, do not be afraid to end the friendship and look for another. Be particularly careful to avoid controlling your friends or being controlled by them.

On the plus side, if you learn to avoid these problems and have mostly healthy relationships, you will eventually find that you can attract the kind of people you want to meet like a magnet.

posted August 19, 2005 10:54 AM              

I have Pluto Conjunct Sun and I find what you said to be true of me.

(It's almost as if people see you and judge you too be a threat to them in some way, without even knowing you. Then they sort of hold you at bay a little and treat you as if you are some kind of outcast, who doesn't count -)

posted August 19, 2005 11:38 AM              

Wow, conjunct sun - yeah that sounds powerful a proffessional astrologer friend of mine told me once that an X G/F of mine was an incarntation of Mars, due to her first house mars conjuncting her sun, so in effect Mars was being illuminated by her sun. She had a very powerful, energetic an oft aggressive tempremant - so I guess he was right.

Pluto conjunct the sun is somewhat different though - Can I be cheeky and ask if you have a high sex drive? (not meaning to offend) just curious about the intensity of Pluto

posted August 19, 2005 12:22 PM              

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It's almost as if people see you and judge you too be a threat to them in some way, without even knowing you. Then they sort of hold you at bay a little and treat you as if you are some kind of outcast, who doesn't count

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I have this happen to me ALL THE TIME - or at least it feels that way. Needless to say, my hubby tells me I'm paranoid, but I KNOW this is happening to me! I don't even open my mouth, and they do it to me. I must be giving some kind of vibe that makes them uncomfortable, but now it seems it's this conj. in the first house??

posted August 19, 2005 12:33 PM              

It's quite simple really, they would either sense a pure destructive force eminating from you, which they wouldn't quite be able to put their finger on and so go on the defensive with you or - they would sense raw sex appeal oozzing from your every pore!!! ha ha ha ha

posted August 19, 2005 12:39 PM              

hey virgolibra60 - I also have Pluto & Sun very closly conjunct! (Mars is also the same sign, a lot more degrees away, but it still may make an impact I think!) I'm just a sweet and innocent Libra, I swear! I'm not sure that people find me threatening; reserved and in control of myself, yes. I do think that what you said about 'they sort of hold you at bay a little and treat you as if you are some kind of outcast, who dosen't count.' is absolutly true!! I am definitely slow to make friends. Let's us outcasts join forces and really blow their socks off haha!

posted August 20, 2005 02:01 AM              

Also a lot of the people I know were born a couple of years before me so their Pluto opposes my Venus by a closer degree. Most people tend to like me once they actually talk to me. BUT "see you and judge you to be a threat" makes sense to me, because the only people who have had a real problem with me were people who have never spoken to me..and completely judged by what they saw. Probably one of the reason why I hate judging so much. People should wait and see what you act like towards them, and then place judgement on the wya you TREAT them..not take one look at you and think "omg gotta hang on to my bf I bet she's after him" or something stupid like that when I couldn't even care less about anyone's bf and I'd be the last person to do something like that..it always happened in highschool, then again people are silly in highschool

posted September 04, 2005 09:18 PM              

I felt constricted, but not until then. I was surprised he was that angry. I think jealousy is about worry, but he didn't need to worry. My last ex before him had Pluto square Sun, and the one before that Pluto conjunct Venus.

I have Pluto trine Sun, moon in the 8th, Pluto is in Virgo/10th house which also rules my midheaven. Lots of men I like have Scorpio overtones, and I try really hard to keep that jealousy under control.

No such luck so far.
I also have Pluto trine South node so it's tough.
i want desire and passion but it kills me.
The guy I like now is sunny and pleasant, no Pluto aspects at all. His venus is conjunct mercury, very sweet, sometimes moody as he is a Cancer.

posted September 04, 2005 10:35 PM              

Can totally relate to the other people hating me or being threatened before I even speak. But Ive also found the opposite--some people love me even before I open my mouth. I guess it goes both ways, but the haters really p!ss me off coz its like I havent even said or done anything yet, and already judged. Sometimes I will be sitting in a group of girls and they will all talk around me, purposely not even making eye contact with me or talking to me. There is a particular group of girls that I know that is like this, they will even ignore my questions and comments on purpose.

Also if Im sitting in a group with males and there is some females there also, the females will feel that I am attracting too much male attention, and try to tear me down or talk over me, cut me off, coz they dont want the guys talking to me so much. Being a chatty gemini of course I talk to guys a lot and they talk to me alot. i dont understand why women feel so threatened by that.

I dont have many gfs at all and the ones i do have are rather independent and somewhat masculine like myself.

All the time I can see girls size me up, and move away because they feel threatened???? whats up with that!!

posted September 05, 2005 01:14 PM              

Before, she would comment on what I said, in a critical way and speak very loudly as to attract more attention every time someone walked by. It wasn't just males, and I find jealousy is caused by attention, not what kind, just any kind. Everyone needs to feel everyone else is sensitive to their presence.

You are an air sign and so naturally gregarious and seen as competitive. Even if you are not, it's natural to be sometimes, but earth and water women will compete in their way too, rather than get upset, try to accept, or speak once and then look around to make sure are giving equal time. Once you show interest in reactions, you will build up trust which is crucial to earth/water sun signs.

I find air and fire people to be more trusting, but also lose trust more quickly. Have faith that the women are around you are just in a temporary bad mood and be strong with a good attitude towards "us" you and them. That way you can't be seen as competitive.

men are easier as friends because they do not see you as competition, so it's easier, but also not very challenging or stimulating eventually on either side. Making female friends is tough for me too, with plenty of fire in my chart, but as you get older you will find it more rewarding, at work, travelling, at home.

Male friends only go so far! And the more male friends, the more distant women are. Even if you do not have a lot of female friends, chat with every woman you meet superficially, and mention their names to other women in a good way. That builds up trust that you are a good friend, and go out of your way to care. I know it sounds superficial but if you do not mention other women in your conversation, only men and yourself it's a threat.

Course this works better at work, I don't know how it works in social situations alone, but I find I relate to women better now. I also find my personal realtionships with men work better too, when I am not talking about male friends.