posted September 17, 2005 11:09 PM            

I'm not crazy about this interpretation:

Chiron in Aries or the First House: Chiron in Aries is an exercise of self-discovery. You will often find the natives speaking of their spiritual quest, the need to find personal meaning in awareness and existence. Some cope with their early wounds by withdrawing, others over-compensate aggressively. While the latter group may be courageous trailblazers when there is a personal investment in the spiritual process, unless there are other spiritual aspects in the chart, their spiritual seeking rarely extends beyond a purely personal quest. There are associations between head wounds, headaches and other head-area injuries with an afflicted Chiron in Aries, but one should look to other aspects for confirmation.

But this one is alright:

Chiron in Aquarius or the Eleventh House: These folks may seem utterly other-worldly. They may be drawn to technology in order to feel comfortable, safe and accepted. They may avoid social interaction and feel uncomfortable in large groups of people, mainly because of peer problems in their youth, or because they seem odd or different to their peers. Social rejection makes them withdraw into only those groups of people who share their interests and concerns, and they currently find great comfort in the opportunities provided by the Internet.
http://www.aquarianage.org/west/planets/ch-nat01.html

posted September 17, 2005 11:12 PM            

Chiron in Aries
Deep wound to your sense of self. Can be physical abuse, wound or deformity. Feeling of worthlessness. You strive to assert yourself. Can be self-sabotaging. Never feel good enough.

Suggestion: Make a list of areas your life in which you do feel worthy. Identify your true value and how that serves you and others. Keep listing until your Heart opens to loving yourself. Don't give up. Also, list the ways in which others' 'bad' treatment of you has helped you to learn how to assert yourself and to value yourself more. Again, keep listing until your Heart opens to them and to yourself for experiencing the lesson.

The Gift: The acknowledgement of your true worth, loved for who you are inside. The universe loves you just for being who you are.

Also:

Chiron in Aquarius
A sense of disconnection, distance, isolation and alienation from the world and from the universe. Feeling different, like an outsider or alien. Cannot seem to relate to others the way others do. Feel lost in the crowd and unable to fit in.

Suggestion: List the special ways in which you are connected to life, to others, to the world and to the universe. List the benefits and gifts of feeling alone, isolated, alienated and disconnected. Keep digging it seems hard, but the benefits and gifts are there. Also, list the ways in which your 'differentness' is a gift and blessing to you and to others.

The Gift: The development of an objective and original viewpoint towards life. The eventual realization of the interconnectedness of everything. The acknowledgement of your special unique gifts. An appreciation of your individuality.
http://www.libralion.com/chiron.htm

posted September 17, 2005 11:29 PM            

Here's another unique one with some good insight for Chiron in Aries:

CHIRON IN ARIES OR THE FIRST HOUSE
The influence here really surprises me. For some reason it seems to be caught between Saturn and Uranus more than any other sign. At least for now and a significant period of time past and future Chiron is outside the orbit of Uranus in this sign. Here it seems to be most involved with women's issues, relationships, childbirth, bleeding heart sympathy, as well as being secretive and authoritarian. It suggests to me a pioneer confronting a wilderness of unexplored possibilities with fervor, determination and sensitivity. Of its maverick nature, it may be the most unpredictable maverick in this sign. "I will be me at all cost," even though the cost is also taken into account. Chiron will not go looking for trouble. Neither will it give up on the goal. Merely the means to get there. If you have Chiron here, you have the assignment to be yourself first, then finding a partnership you can allow without destroying your identity.
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That last line seems particularly true in my case.

And for the 11th House:

posted September 17, 2005 11:31 PM              

Let that flit away.

"Why?" you may ask.
Well, she mostly mentions a guy named Zane Stein and his research on the comet and then expounds upon it...but she also mentions that this dude has a website.
I searched for it, and it's there (though it seems to have shuffled domains a bit).
Here's his insight, lain out: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7969/page3.htm

posted September 17, 2005 11:33 PM              

He wants you to pay for the meat - on one hand, I can't blame him (gots ta make a living); on the other hand, poo.

Edit: As pennance for my icky posting, I'll put-up an article by Liz Greene: http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_wounding_e.htm

Double Edit: Oh, and wow - some article that Google pulled-up says that Liz Greene wrote a bit on Chiron in _Astrological Neptune and the Quest for Redemption_.
I think I'll go look that up.

posted September 17, 2005 11:39 PM              

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Seems I need to develop MORE ego. Interesting.

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A musician who needs more ego???
I couldn't imagine...

posted September 17, 2005 11:43 PM            

I've started cooking dinner anyway, so I have to stop my looking into this for the moment.

posted September 17, 2005 11:49 PM              

re: "More Ego" and musicians: Gah, half of the musicians out there with raging, towering temples to Self seem like that's only so because they feel so little of themselves (or think so little of themselves) that they must put on that spectacular show.

How's Neptune doing in your chart?

posted September 17, 2005 11:54 PM              

I've a Taurean Chiron in the 7th conj. Venus and...dernit...the masculine-y love-y asteroid, what's-its-name.

I found both the Tau and 7th House descriptions to have some points (though it seems that the 7th House description just exacerbates my Pisces Sun/Neptune/Saturn t-square issues).

posted September 18, 2005 12:04 AM            

Here's another Chiron for me:

Chiron in Aries or the first house

In Aries or the first house, the sense of self has been violated in some way, manifesting in feelings of worthlessness, and/or that nothing is ever quite good enough. The lessons of Chiron here are in learning to assert yourself and to take appropriate action or initiative to remedy the situation - appreciate yourself and others for who they are. Easier said than done, as you can tend to be self sabotaging in your thought patterns. Remember your thoughts are powerful - you reap what you put out.

Make a list of areas in your life in which you do feel worthy. Identify your true value and how that value serves you and others. Don't stop listing until your heart opens to loving yourself. Also list the ways in which other's "bad" treatment of you has helped you to learn how to assert yourself and to value yourself more. Again, keep listing until your heart opens to them, and to yourself, for experiencing the lesson.

Chiron's gift is the acknowledgement of your true worth, loved for who you are inside. The Universe loves you just for being who you are. Strive to live truly.

Essential oils which will assist in dissipating these feelings are: Frankincense, sandalwood, cedarwood, clove, ormenis flower, neroli, juniper, roman chamomile, geranium

Chiron in Aquarius or in the Eleventh House

Placement of Chiron here often gives deep connection to the psyche and the collective unconscious, but there are usually blocks to overcome. Here the wound is usually a sense of disconnection, distance, isolation and alieation from the world and from the Universe. This feeling of being unable to fit in may make us reject the tenets of groups or society, but the longing to belong remains.

Often, due to the sensitivity to the collective, people with this Chiron placement will be forward thinking and may be rejected by groups and society simply because they are ahead of their time - shades of 'discovery' here.

Try listing the special ways in which you are connected to life, to others, to the world and to the Universe. List the benefits and gifts of feeling alone, isolated and alienated. Also list the ways in which your 'differentness' is a gift and blessing to you and others. Write your thoughts and dreams in a journal.

Chiron's special gift to you is the development of an objective and original viewpoint towards life, and the realisation of the interconnectedness of all things. The acknowledgement of your unique gifts and individuality. Your right to be you.

posted September 18, 2005 12:11 AM              

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Neptune conjunct Mercury and Venus (and Lilith) in the 7th (in Sag). Not sure how it's doing.

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posted September 18, 2005 12:52 AM              

(...) The nature of the struggle which ensues seems to lie between the person's need to protect his own interest and maintain his separateness, and his urge to transcend himself and lose himself in the sea of common human emotion as an act of self-redemption. (...) A personality which is affected by Saturn-Neptune contains the seeds of its own dissolution in some area of life for there is usually a blind spot, a basic flaw in the shell of the ego, through which the collective call for sacrifice may enter. (...)

...There's a bunch of stuff about the lure of intoxicating substances which only served to reinforce the late-great poster, Carlo's, assertion that I should "never, ever do drugs. Ever."...

Ah, here we go:

Saturn-Neptune contacts are usually associated with the creative imagination and with the individual's power to create in tangible form the outpourings of that imagination. The main quality of Neptunian imagination, whether it is expressed through colour, sound, movement, or words, is that it is archetypal; it touches the deeper levels of feeling which are shared by everybody. The Neptunian's songwriter's lyrics evoke a response from the mass because each person responds by feeling that the words have been written for him alone. The Neptunian painter's imagery has the quality of seeming familiar and magnetic to everyone because each person has seen this same imagery before in his own dreams and fantasies. The gift of Neptune is the contact with archetypal feeling experience, and the individual with a Saturn-Neptune contact is given the opportunity to communicate this experience through his own creative expression. (...) He may only create fantasies, but there are moments in his fantasies when he is all men, and his feelings are no longer his own.
The individual must, however, pay a price for this plunge. Part of his own isolated ego is eroded by the contact. he can no longer claim to be wholly individual in his emotional experiences; he is not able to say that his desires are unique. Saturn's illusion of isolation and his tendency to consider group feelings banal and full of sentiment usually must give way before the very real experience of the power of the feeling of life of the group. Neptune has no sentiment; he is impersonal. Sentiment belongs to the sphere of Venus and the Moon. This is the death by drowning, the baptism into collective emotional life. One's personal desires, as a result, seem petty and insignifcant, particularly when they demand the submission of others' desires for their fulfilment. (Scribe's Note: And imagine how much this feeling is magnified by the fact that I've a 1st House Uranus trine my Sun and a Pisces Sun/Aqua Moon - it's a wonder I get out of bed in the morning rather than lie about contemplating/immersed in some collective something-or-other ) (...)
For the person who is able to respond consciously, the opportunity appears to be present for the use of collective feelings as a creative tool. (...)
The power of any work of art seems to lie in part in its capacity to evoke or constellate the collective psyche, and in acquiring this power the artist must first sacrifice his personality as an isolated unit so that he can become, at least partially, an emissary or transmittor for group feeling. Thus art becomes an alchemical process by which the artist is slowly transformed and redeemed and in so doing, redeems others. (...)

It goes on, and she says two tonnes about Saturn-Venus, but my fingers are getting tired and I need to get up in the AM and sweep up dog hair and mop the floor before the kiddo awakes.

posted September 18, 2005 01:08 AM              

But you'll have so much more going on than just what I've written - your Stellium makes it a whole new ballgame, one that I'm not even remotely qualified to Umpire.
Put a shout-out to Gemini Nymph - she'd be better at helping you sort that out.