posted September 18, 2005 09:59 AM              

"disordered sexual activities".......

The reason this caught my eye, and I dont wanna go in too deep here is, the guy I had the past life connection with has this placing and, well, I always "felt" some pretty strong sexual stuff from him, I was gonna say imbalance, but dont know if thats the right word. He also has Venus in Scorp in 8th (like me).....I was wondering if the pull has anything to do with the Chiron thing too ??

Does anyone have any comments on this, or could throw any light as to what I am "picking up" here.

Thanks guys

Love

posted September 18, 2005 10:05 AM              

I am gonna try and find that forum again, cos I think the woman that said this also said that most astrology forums said this !!!!!!! Strange.....but evenso would like to investigate

posted September 18, 2005 11:05 AM              

In 'Asteroids and Other Cosmic Objects ' by Barbara Hand Clow:

"CHIRON IN TAURUS - When Chiron is in Taurus, a search for values on the material plane predominates. This position takes the question of material values to a very critical level; what is right or wrong, permanent or not, becomes a crisis........They want to preserve the values they see in something which already exists. The house position of Chiron reveals the nature of the values they are interested in......"

"Often, natives with Chiron in Taurus have bizarre sexual habits because of the strong influence of Chiron with Venusian energy making them receptive to kundalini energy......."

"Often these individuals are great contributors who feel guilty about not making their own mark with something they have invented themselves. These individuals are preservers of values, and not creators unless some other aspect in the chart indicate great innovation."

posted September 18, 2005 11:18 AM              

Thanks so much for that......it explains a lot to me......

Love

posted September 18, 2005 11:26 AM              

Venus in a chart is always about affection,
people who can't stand affection don't respect it and put down those who get it, but at the same time desperately need it and seek it out through alternate means-sex, drugs, drinking, emotional escapes, anger, work, therapy.

The best bet for someone with this description would be to live with someone, that way he or she could express affection in a safe, nurturing place without threat of criticism.

posted September 18, 2005 02:43 PM              

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"You must live in the infinite blackness that exists when I close my eyes. I see you when I fall asleep, I see you when I dream."

posted September 18, 2005 05:40 PM              

He complains of lack of affection from his mother (interestingly he has Moon in Scorp) and this stuff I am reading here has blown me away........I understand him more after reading this.....wished I could help him, but I dont know if I can......I hope he knows I love him

Thanks friends

posted September 19, 2005 04:13 AM              

I'm a Chiron in Taurus too. 3rd house, conjunct Mercury. I feel like it's one of the heavy/strong points in my chart (for good and ill. )

posted September 19, 2005 04:58 AM            

I have no idea as for "disordered sexual activities" but I have found some interesting info on Chiron, hope it will be of help

Chiron symbolizes a bridge between our personal limitations/earthly lessons/physical body (Saturn) and our unique individuality/divine inspiration/realm of the God/dess (Uranus). He is the link to both, and the key to healing the split between these parts of ourselves.

Saturn relates to the aloneness we feel when we take on responsibility for our selves. Whereas Uranus is the aloneness we feel when we realise that we are different, alien or out of step with those around us.

Chiron carries the key to much of our wounds and suffering and gives us clues to how we can heal not only our personal lives but also the imbalances of our planet. Since the discovery of Chiron there has been a resurgence of ancient wholistic forms of healing, as well as a concern for issues of Ecology and Green politics.

This fits with Chiron’s role as physician and teacher of the mysteries of nature. To heal we need to treat not only our physical body but our soul as well. Healing is then an experience of whole making, incorporating both our instinctual body wisdom and our inspired intuitive God/dess wisdom. A wholeness that contains paradox.

Chironic healing mediums include Naturopathy, Homoeopathy, Bach Flowers, Herbalism, Reiki, Psychosynthesis counselling, and Shamanism. Anything that includes the mysteries as well as the physical realm.

The healing crisis often encountered at the time of the Chiron return, takes us into the Cave or hidden parts of our selves. Illness can provide a space and time to withdraw from everyday life and time to go into Chiron’s cave. This creates a sacred space wherein there can be connection to instinctual wisdom deep within us that can teach and guide us to heal the imbalances that are the root cause of our illness.

We meet with our fears, doubts, failures, pain, sadness and loss and the ways in which we may feel alienated, alone or different. We question cultural norms and expectations. The healing that results comes from a new acceptance of who we are and a letting go of that which will never be. (The loss of the unattainable dream).

The process of healing requires that we give up the unfulfilled dream, let it go, accept its loss and by doing so we move into a new sense of freedom. Freedom to live our own authentic lives from that place of knowing who we are. Knowing that our flaws make us real and our hard won knowledge gives us something meaningful to give back to the world.

This time around 50 years of age coincides with the time of menopause for many women. This is a time when it is natural to want to withdraw from life to allow feelings of sadness to surface and take a new look at what gives meaning to one’s life.

It is only by stepping away from the everyday demands of life that we can take the time to gain a new perspective on the shape our lives have taken and regroup our energies towards the next phase. Could it be that Men-o-pause is asking of us to take a pause from the masculine endeavours of doing and achieving in the outer world?

Through taking time for solitude, to be able to just be and feel and allow the inner voices to be heard. To make room for the paradoxes of life to be acknowledged. If we chose to take this time freely, we could gain a balanced approach to the next phase of our lives and have more to give to others as well as ourselves.

It is my belief that much of the suffering in the world today is as a result of a Soul sickness that manifests on the emotional and physical planes as illness. Healing on a soul level is where Chiron holds the key.
Chiron says that there is a Gift in every Wound. Our expressed perception of pain takes us on a journey of healing… a journey to reconnect with the repressed persona (ion). Our perception of what is missing in our lives or what needs fixing or setting right, what needs re-balancing or healing takes us on a journey… in the process we become who we are: we become that which we are Divinely Designed to be.
“The nature and placement of the wound determines the path of Service.”- Chiron To repeat, the expressed persona, in this case the perception of more pain than pleasure, more wrong than right, more evil than good, more black than white, takes us on a quest to rejoin with the repressed persona that holds the key to the true perception of what took place at the moment the wounding occurred. Our personas are fermions on a quest… quest-ions… questions. When we reconnect with the repressed personas, healing takes place and our questions are answered. At the moment of healing there is the Silence of Love, a moment of greater Light.
So where does Chiron fit into this picture? If healing is nothing less than the journey back to the consciousness of Love and Oneness then where does Chiron stand? Consider our evolutionary and healing journey to be a gradual expansion of consciousness that begins in the womb. When we are born, we come under planetary influence from smaller to greater concentric spheres of consciousness represented by the smallest to largest orbits of the planets themselves. We begin with the Moon—its orbit is closest to the Earth. Then we trace a journey through our lives through the issues of Venus, Mars, Mercury, Sun, Asteroids, Jupiter, Saturn, Chiron, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto/Charon, in that order.

The planetary issues are, in order:
• Earth Incarnation
• Moon Nurture, protection, flight or fight
• Venus Feeling nature, attraction/repulsion (ions)
• Mars Physical, action, self-will, drive (of ions)
• Mercury Thinking, association, variety of experience
• Sun Will, self-actualisation potential
• Asteroids Connecting male/female, right/left brain, etc.
• Jupiter The calling, the dream, the outward journey
• Saturn Personal responsibility, the end of blame
• Chiron Healing, Gratitude, the Gift in the Wound
• Uranus beyond paradox, the divine plan, higher understanding
• Neptune Love, Oneness, reconnected to divine origins
• Pluto/Charon new cycle, next issue, portal to galactic consciousness

“Healing is the gradually awakening to the perfection of your life.”- Chiron Simply put, when we learn to Love everything about our lives, including our wounds, by seeing the implicate order, the perfection, the balance and beauty of it all, we heal… we grow… we evolve. Anything that we don’t love in our lives runs our lives (ions driving us on a quest for reconnection to their respective anti-ions). We become the master and co-creator of anything that we love in our lives.

Astrologically speaking, the orbit of Chiron is where Humanity’s collective consciousness is right now. We stand on the threshold of acknowledging the Universe beyond Saturn. We stand at the threshold of the Aquarian/Uranian Age. This threshold is the threshold between the lower and upper hemispheres of the zodiac—from the ‘inner’ world to the acknowledgement and rejoining with the ‘outer’ world. That threshold is the threshold from Virgo to Libra and from Virgo to Pisces, from the 6th to the 7th houses and from the 6th to the 12th houses.
Saturn says that we need to stop blaming others and outside circumstances for our wounds and unresolved issues and look seriously at what part we played in the creation of these wounds and issues. Chiron says that it was all part of the plan into which we were born. When we unveil the magnificence and perfection of that plan, seeing the Service, benefit and Gift in the wound or issue, we come to a state of Gratitude for what is. We come to a state of Gratitude that the universe is exactly the way it is—that we are exactly the way we are. And it is Gratitude that takes us to Love.

Planetary transits to Chiron activate the core wounding issues in our lives. Obviously, the slower the transiting planet, the more impact this will have. For example, Saturn transiting will be asking us to take responsibility for our wounds and unresolved painful issues. Uranus will try to give us a glimpse of the higher understanding of our wounds. Neptune will try to awaken us to the possibility of reconnecting with love and light beyond the pain of the wound. Pluto transiting Chiron will give the wound a mighty shake and try to get us to turn our current understanding of it upside-down. Chiron transiting Chiron always encourages us to find the path of healing one way or another.

Often the wounds are perceived to be so painful or so deeply buried that in order to approach them at all it is necessary to approach through a buffer, so to speak. The symbolism of archetypes, dreams and ‘past-life’ therapy offer this kind of stepping stone. To describe a wound in terms of a ‘past-life’ experience can help clients to connect with the issues in a roundabout way. For example, a Pisces retrograde Chiron could be described as a nun in a nunnery doing her service to God by helping children and the destitute, by giving aid to the poor and helping the less fortunate. Then along comes a band of marauding pirates and rapes and murders the children before raping and murdering the nuns themselves. Such a scenario describes the wound of a loss of faith in divinity—how could a merciful, just, compassionate and loving God allow such a thing to occur? The symbol accurately describes the perceptual feeling of this wound. The actual circumstances of a person’s life that led to such a perception can be quite different. However, emphatically, the circumstances will always be found in the current lifetime. It is not necessary to go into past lives for the origins of any wounds. To maintain the belief that the origin is in past lives beyond the usefulness of this kind of thinking is to perpetuate a condition whereby total healing is not reached.

Similarly, dreams, such as described above, can give a clue to where to look for the origins of a wound. The use of psychological archetypes, whether coupled with astrology or more traditional therapy can also provide this type of stepping stone.

Chiron sits in our physiology in several main places. Primarily it sits between the third chakra (solar plexus), which is the seat of the Lower Mind and of our dualistic perceptions and the fourth chakra (the heart), which is the seat of our Higher Mind and portal to the Soul that knows Truth, Oneness and Unconditional Love. The path of healing is the alchemical transformation of our Lower-Minded dualistic perceptions into the awareness of unity and Love—the opening of the heart. Chiron also sits in the static loops of our neurology where we are stuck in lop-sided perceptions (illusions, lies, emotions, personas, stances, judgements). The longer our neurology remains in an unbalanced state as a result of our lop-sided perceptions, the more likely the stuck issue will result in hormonal, chemical, electrical and finally cellular dysfunction—disease. The purpose of disease is to wake us up to what we are not loving in our lives—to those things about which we have a lop-sided perception.

posted September 19, 2005 09:29 AM              

26 Taurus, his Chiron is 12 deg and my moon is 27 deg.

Im doing good thanks, hope you are, and thanks for your wisdom!!

Sweet Libra and Peri,

Many thanks guys for your input , very helpful and insightful.

You guys rock !!!!!!

Love

posted September 19, 2005 09:31 PM              

Is that good?

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Gemini sun, Cancer rising, mercury in Gemini, moon in Taurus *29, venus in Taurus, mars in Libra

"You must live in the infinite blackness that exists when I close my eyes. I see you when I fall asleep, I see you when I dream."