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Aen
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posted September 22, 2005 11:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A Gemini with Picses Moon & Mars in Scorpio against a Libra with Sun/Mars/Pluto stellium & Capricorn Moon.

Gemini has might and Libra has right.

What do you think would come out of it? Astrologically speaking.

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beebuddy
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posted September 22, 2005 12:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tears.

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Aen
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posted September 22, 2005 01:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Probably tears too.

I think I should have said that is is not romantic life conflict, but work related conflict. Now out of hand in the big way.


And note for everyone. If both your quiet Capricorn and quiet Virgo bother themselves enough to tell you that you are acting against the law and won't get away with it, then you bloody well better listen to them.

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alanabelle86
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posted September 22, 2005 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a Scorpio Sun/Leo Moon/Aqua Mars...and my bf is a Sag Sun/Aqua Moon/ Scorpio Mars..

this may be off topic but a lot of our fights are described in your title....we fight about MORALS and VALUES alllll the time, its the main reason we fight..and we fight every other day... you know that Plutonian drive to demolish everything it touches... His desire to fight me is so cruel and his words are based on emotions and fire so cold (Moon in Aqua) its literally fatal to me. i get exhausted by it. because you know Mars in air tends to intellectualize and try to rationalize and (talk) about anger rather than act it out while my leo moon just wants to shout at him, scream at him and Scorpio sun wants to literally MURDER

so idk ill bet on Pluto...Mars in scorpio especially when fueled by strong emotions (Moon in Pisces) ruthless when it wants to be...libra doesnt stand a chance

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Gemini Nymph
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posted September 22, 2005 06:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Speaking as a Gem-Pis with a very beligerent Aqua Mars (so I have had my fair share of disagreements), anyone with a mutable Sun AND moon doesn't have the stamina for a long fight. If one of those mutable signs is Mercurial, then add quick-onset nervous exhaustion to that as well. It won't matter what sign Mars is in. However witha Scorpio Mars, there's the likelyhood of emotional exhauistion as well.

I think the Libra person wouldn't be half the fighter he/she probably thinks they are. Due to Pluto being in Libra for a generation, there's a number of people around with Libra stelliums that include Pluto, and they've always struck me as mild mice (the ones I've known). This particualar individual, their anger comes from the Cap moon, not their placid Libra Mars. Cap moons are stubborn opponents, however, but not always reasonable or in the right. They don't walk away from a fight very readily, even when they're already lost.

I have no idea what you mean one having might and the other right - I doubt either have might or the right, to be honest. I suspect that the Libra person *thinks* very self-righteously they have the right and would end up bullied the Gem mercilessly into a pulp. How could that be right?

I'd advise the Gem to just get the hell away from this Libra - if they're fighting, it's not likely a reasonable fight (seriously, air Suns ought never fight among themselves - it's usually very unproductive) and probably result in abuse by this Libra. If it's alrady out of hand, then the Gem's probably a complete nervous wreck by now. The longer this feud goes on, the more this Gem will be deeply injured and the more crap he/she'll carry with them long after the fact.

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Hexxie
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posted September 22, 2005 07:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
interesting... my sun and pluto are conjunct (1* orb) in libra & my mars is in libra (a late degree) and my moon is one sign away in aquarius. my mars is conjunct uranus tho, by degree, not sign. plus my asc is gemini.

you'd be surprised at how aggressive mars in cardinal libra can be. people think libra and ohh how sweet and fluffy and innocent; and that's what gets them into trouble. (just had to stick up for my poor lil mars at its detriment in libra, lol). i think that the fact that sun and mars and pluto are a stellium makes them stronger than if one is just thinking 'libra'. one thing i never do is start a fight though. i mainly took this side cuz it's opposite than what other people chose HEHE (plus i was sorta born with these placements too )

but really, someone neutral needs to step in and seperate these kids. smack their hands and tell them to kiss and make up! air signs usually don't hold a grudge too long (depending on saturn). if they can't make up then seperate them for good! i think people "fight" because it was pre-ordained by themselves before they incarnated to heal some aspect of themselves. like shakspear's "all the world is a stage and we are but actors on that stage".

wow, today has been a day of rambling on and on for me!


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posted September 22, 2005 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nove731     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know. I generally don't ever fight. Haha, I'm an Aries Sun/Sag. Moon/Virgo Rising. I almost never fight.

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posted September 22, 2005 11:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you should see where Saturn is... Saturn gives you strenght...

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Lauren
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posted September 23, 2005 03:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Cap moons are stubborn opponents, however, but not always reasonable or in the right. They don't walk away from a fight very readily, even when they're already lost.

Hey GemN, what makes you say that? Are there people you've known with Capricorn moon who you felt acted that way or is it from something you've read about that placement?

I'm just curious because I have a Capricorn moon, so does my bf. I'm an Aries, he's a Libra. I walk away from fights before they even begin most times. Sometimes I will call the person up on something if they did/said something that was plainly rude/wrong towards me or towards someone else, BUT if the person doesn't seem to be getting it (what they did wrong) and wont apologise I'll drop it quite fast.. Or alternatively if they did apologise..I'd also drop it. It's a real waste of energy not to

Usually when I'm in that situation (an argument prone situation) it doesn't take long for me to completely distance myself from the person and situation at hand. Usually I choose not to interact with them any further..I wouldn't "fight" them.. I'd just stay away from them.

My bf, who's probably more suited to this situation being a Libra/Capricorn.. He had a very troubled childhood and had to mature very early on so he's a very grounded mature person. He'd see a "war" type of thing as very immature and he would never get involved in something like that. His Sun is also conj Pluto (but only by degree, not by sign)

Aen, Why are these people at "war" in the first place? Their charts don't seem war-like to me.. then again, I think we were actually discussing on a different thread..how anyone can be aggressive, regardless of their chart..since astrology only *indicates* certain tendencies or lack thereof..

Are they pretty immature people?
If so, maybe they just have to go through certain karma in this life time and learn certain lessons the hard way..if they choose war.. (because it is a *choice* and it's theirs to make)

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And note for everyone. If both your quiet Capricorn and quiet Virgo bother themselves enough to tell you that you are acting against the law and won't get away with it, then you bloody well better listen to them.

lol I'm assuming you're the Cap or Virgo giving them this advice. If you are, I think you've done all you could do. You can't *make* people come around. It's their choice at the end of the day, so don't beat yourself up about it

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Aen
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posted September 26, 2005 04:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you all for your comments.

alanabelle

I have the same feeling about Mars in Scorpio, Picses Moon (trine by degree too). When these waters are moved....


Gemini Nymph

LOL. Perhaps you could just trust my evaluation here. The Libra does have right and Gemini has only might.

Very interesting what you say about Capricorn Moons. I've met many but this is the first time I see one in combat. Looks stubborn and methodical, awfully good at strategic planning.


Hexxie

I always thought that it was me being a proper Capricorn and pushing the Libras’ (Sun and/or Mars) buttons, so that they become everything but placid and sweet as they are supposed to be. Good to know others also have seen/sensed their cardinal quality. In good way, I hope.


Nove

Good!


Pop Producer

Gemini's Saturn is in Libra. Actually it is conj. Libra's Sun/Mars/Pluto stellium. Libra's Saturn is in Cancer (opp the Capricorn Moon). Another dose of locked cardinal energy.

Lauren

Your Libra/Capricorn sounds very similar. Tough childhood, very grown-up, not at all warsome person in average situations. Actually, this Gemini is usually great too - gifted, good initiator for any project, very good at making things to happen. I wouldn't say immature in any way, but everyone has their weak spots.


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