posted September 30, 2005 09:01 PM            

Anyway, this guy fascinates me because he seems to be one of those people who are very sensitive on the inside, but have a shell... It's a fate worse than death to let your enemies know you have a weakness sort of person.
His home life is terrible & he's developed this sort of attitude that nobody will help you, so you have to fend for yourself.
He said he's his own hero, & if he weren't so proud he wouldn't put it past himself to commit suicide.
I think this Piscean had to develop a protective shell because it was the only way he could survive. He has this rather Scorpionic nature also... I'm betting on Scorpio ASC, though nobody's sure about the birth time... I could post his pic... decide for yourself if he looks Scorpish... I don't know though, it could be Libra... all I know is the birth time is somewhere around 11:00 P.M....

Anyway, he seems to be one of those silent types who seems rather scary if you don't know him... He thinks doesn'the fit in with anybody, and that they don't like him...he prefers it that way I think, he doesn't like too many of them either...I don't think he's like that with everybody though... Not really with me. He thinks very highly of me so he says, but I would imagine it's because I am a sympathetic ear, and it's easy for him to realte to me. I can clearly see the sensitive Piscean nature. Do many watery men have this survival instinct to become some kind of tough guy?

posted September 30, 2005 09:32 PM              

WOW, could he be more narcissistic and borderline (ie, needy, manipulative, egocentric, passive-aggressive)? Yikes. That soudns like he's trying to fool people into thinking he's self-possessed and self-aware with that kind of talk, so they are more disarmed around him and easier to manipualte. I doubt he's genuienly self-possessed, cos self=possessed people DON"T say things like that. However, I suspect he's very aware of how he can fool and manipualte other people. That's very Plutonian, is the bad way (doesn't mean he's Scorp risign though).

I know a Piscecs that talks like this, and yeha he's narcissistic and borderline too. He's Pis-Aqua-Leo. I can handle him, as he's better now. But man, when I first met him, he was manipulative with everyone. he's still mind-bogglingly self-absorbed though.

This guy also looks like a Leo rising too. Maybe it's the hair, but he's got a Leo chin and poise. He looks very charismatic, kinetic and physically graceful, which is typical of Leo rising as well. With Scorpio rising and Scorpio Pluto, he'd have the Scoroio eyes, and he doesn't - he has those soft, vulnerable Piscean eyes.

My theory - He's Leo rising, cloe the the Cancer cusp. That puts his Scorpio Pluto in the 3rd, ruling over communciation and mental processes. Pluto in the3rd can have mystical overtones, and the native can use that too to manipulate people, by playing up the whole "I'm such a mystery/engima" thing.

posted September 30, 2005 09:46 PM            

I swear, he stole my quote. I have said that sooooooooooooooooooo many times. I'm extremely...dangerously oversensitive. but i hide it so well. (progressed venus and pluto in the 12) (scorp sun/leo moon/mars in aqua...venus in scorpio 1st)

posted October 01, 2005 11:51 AM              

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Do many watery men have this survival instinct to become some kind of tough guy?

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something same happened in my family life , still going through them , and yes, i have an outer shell . it was more prominent a few years back but now, i am a bit more social . well, that was my survival trick ,it still is, infact its more refined today than ever .

posted October 01, 2005 01:51 PM              

chapter link re: pisces
http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/hdpics/pisc/pisc.shd.h.html

posted October 01, 2005 08:21 PM            

AG~ LOL, I know...tha wardrobe needs some work.
He goes more gothy/metal head wardrobe lotsa the time though.

T_S Yeah, I would say he's been pretty traumatized. His mother is insane. She tells him she doesn't want him, and she wishes he were never born, and he screwed up her life, and once threatened to stab him...too many aweful things to mention acctually. His father doesn't live with him because his mom was married to another man when he was born, and now she's remarried and him & stepdad don't get along either...

posted October 01, 2005 10:08 PM              

.. i've not looked at his pic yet .. and just did a screen shot of his chart from the link .. read or should say scanned thru the thread .. .. first thing i noticed was the path of Pluto from his natal position 'till its' current position ... .. 22.03 SAG .. .. .. visualize the aspects it has made by transit to his natal placements .. ( follow it counter clockwise till aprox a third the way thru sag. )... i mean .. he has had his (un)?fair share of harsh Pluto transits .. .. .. .. 'twaz just a thought .. may help u understand what he's been thru ..

without checking it closely .. ... but i lookes like he has been going thru a Pluto transit square to his natal Moon .. although it be getting weaker .. it still be somewhat in effect ..

posted October 02, 2005 06:43 AM              

Be careful with HIS "mother issues".....I too have in the past been fascinated with wounded souls and have ended up getting drained. Arent you a Virgo....the server? Make sure you detach a little if you can...encourage him to get help...but remember you are not his therapist.

The last guy I met like this (moon in Scorp) used to threaten suicide in front of me sometimes.....I let him out of my life and now he is flying it......he needed to sort himself out and stop leaning on others, so much. It took me a while to listen to others advice on letting go.....but when I had the sense to act on that.....things improved......never again.....!!!

posted October 02, 2005 06:09 PM            

Sue G~ Thanks for your post.
Yeah, I'm not too attached... I'm mainly just observing this guy... I like talking to him, & I try to get him to be more optomistic, but I've got my old Virgo/Aqua ways analyzing his every word. I'm not into that whole "lean on me" crutch thing...my dad was like that, and I've been afraid of letting it happen ever again.