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proxieme
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posted October 07, 2005 11:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looking at it (being inexperienced), I might think this chart to show someone with a fair amount of focus and drive...but it doesn't.
It shows a frustrated, verbally abusive alchoholic. Why do you think this is so?
All those Chironic aspects get the best of him?
The Moon/Uranus conj. in Cancer doing nasty things with the Neptune/Merc/Saturn Stellium in Libra?

With this chart - too many effing Grand Trines for its own good?
Do you think that this person would be satisfied, frustrated, or both with a relatively staid domestic life and myriad obligations? Do you think she'd be one to create a little chaos just for the sake of livening things up a bit?
How prone to escapism would you say this person is?
Also, how funny is it that I married my mother?
(This is my mother's chart - I married a man with 10,000 Grand Trines...and a Star of David...and Uranus conj. Jupiter in the first).

Does this guy stand a very real chance of being eaten alive by his own sensitivity given our family's prediliction towards addiction?
That is to say, how far and how fast should he run from anything remotely addictive?
(He's my brother.)

Given this chart's preponderance of 7th and 8th House planets, would it be fair to say that that is where her primary motivations lie?
If not, perhaps her primary areas of growth and exploration?
If so, would she do well to pursue them given her Nodal Axis - would doing so be destructive or would that just serve to create dynamic tension?
Also, look at the 4th - just how much was this person screwed over by her early family life?

Don't worry - any insights and answers given will not be used against the above individuals; they will simply be used for my own insight and understanding into and empathy for the behaviors of my immediate family.

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Gemini Nymph
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posted October 08, 2005 01:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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GemStar
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posted October 08, 2005 08:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey..GN did a great job of giving an overview!! Wish I was that good!

What I noticed most about all four charts was that they all had a high number of squares. I am not sure what is an average number but thought this was something to examine.

Each of us has challenges to work through with our squares. I try to study the squares of my father to understand why he is the way he is...and it helps with my compassion towards a chauvanistic man who thinks he knows all and so misses his lessons much of the time!

Have you studied just the challenging aspects only? I realize that all aspects need to be taken into consideration but for the sake of figuring out the difficult natures...I think it might be a great exercise!!

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Gemini Nymph
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posted October 08, 2005 01:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No I don't just look at the challenging aspects, but prox did ask some more specific questions so I tried to narrow in on those. Since her questions were mainly dealing with negative issues with each chart, my responses were perhaps more focused on the negative do to being so specific. I definitely could say a lot more about each but I only have so much time.

Sometimes also difficult aspects are what jumps out to be first. Difficult aspects aren't simply negative in the sense they're always bad: they can represent things like vulnerablity, personal weakness, suspectibilty to bad habits, insecurity, doubt, fear, and so for - things that in and of themselves aren't really negative, but *potentially* negative. Someone could have the exact same set of aspects and be quite OK - difficult aspects don't doom a person, even if they are always challenging.

However, if someone comes to be with a chart of their husband/father/brother and says "He's a abusive alcoholic. Why?" then I know to look for how those potentially negative aspects and how they may have been turned against the native, either by life circumstances, past experiences, or personal choice. In which, yeah, what I say can sound pretty negative.

Squares are obviously thought to be difficult, but conjunction and even trines (esp with a Grand trine) can poise their own challenges. Squares aren't always negative, and astrological wisdom holds that squares are great catalysts for transformation, personal growth and self-actualization. However, we all have free will and can reject the lessons the cosmos has to teach us. That's when square can be really difficult, and the effects of our lack of huhmilty and willingness to learn can be evidenced in the problems we create for ourselves or dump on those around us (like being an abusive person).

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GemStar
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posted October 08, 2005 01:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well-stated GN...you wrote out what I was implying as well...that although squares are often challenges (along with oppositions and conjunctions), they are great aspects which ask us to transform in some way!

Lessons learned and remembered can be so frustrating yet when we incorporate them into our Being, it often becomes a strength! Personally, I wish more people wanted to grow beyond where they are, however, that is also part of this Life....and thank goodness for astrology!! It is such a fabulous tool to review our own selves and others to gain deeper understanding-even compassion.

Thanks GN for giving further clarification!

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Gemini Nymph
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posted October 08, 2005 01:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wish people would want to learna dn transform themselves more often than it seems too, but therein lies a great mystery about ourselves and our relationship with the cosmos. We all have free will, and we are free to use it badly and unwisely. If we couldn't it wouldn't be free.

I could be deeply cynical about this - in some ways I am, as evidenced by my fears about various things. I'm not the moost trrusting person, and am prone to be hypercritical, condescending and arrogant. That's part of my struggle - I fear getting hurt by others who use their free will unwisely, so in turn *I* use my free will unwisely to protect myself. This interstingly is represnted in my chart by a T-square - Virgo Pluto rising oppo 7th house Pisces moon, squaring Gem Sum-Merc in 10th.

Yes I agree too that astrology is a wonderful tool for self-discovery and also for assistence in those difficult lessons we'd otherwise prefer to avoid. The stars are impartial and aren't persauded by human self-centeredness or silliness, and that can be a very good thing, if not at times a very humbling thing.

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Gemini Nymph
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posted October 12, 2005 12:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I felt it proper to remove my replies, despite the time and effort I put into them. If prox is actually interested in a reply to her questions, then someone else will hopefully post.

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