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sthenri
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posted October 12, 2005 07:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would you become less attracted to a man who was not a good parent in front of you?

The Aqua/Leo Moon I was dating made up with me, and we went to the movies with his two daughters Gemini and Libra. The Libra is his favourite, she clings. While driving he said soemthing to give the impression that when the Gem was born he had to give up many material things that he had before. She was quiet and I felt bad for her. She is born near my b-day, May 25th and she is honest and assertive, reasons I relate to her.

So is this a reason to be less attracted to someone? Maybe he was just honest about facts and it came out wrong?

We had a fight and he ended up accusing me of being less than perfect, and yet judgemental. I never said I was perfect but I do expect loyalty. Am I trying to justify my attraction or justify my feelings on this because of my sympathy for his daughter (she's 11).

Additionally sexually we have issues, around communication and the way he would allude to sex in front of other people. I don't mind the sex talk part but I don't like innuendos and metaphors, it's very confusing and hypocritical.

thank you,
Natasha
Taurus/6th house
Cancer Moon/8th

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Mystic Gemini
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posted October 12, 2005 07:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What an a$$hole.

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MoonDuchess88
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posted October 12, 2005 07:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
True dat Mystic, he reminds me of my father

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Mystic Gemini
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posted October 12, 2005 08:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Reminds me of my mother.

And we are both geminis.

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Isolaede
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posted October 12, 2005 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isolaede     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ugg - yes I definitely think a man treating his children badly is a VERY good reason to be less attracted to him. First of all, if he treats the people that should be the most important in his life that way, how is he going to treat you? Secondly, sooner or later you might want family too. You need to find a man that you can at least see raising your children, even if you never can imagine wanting them.

*hugs* Hang in there, Natasha. The right guy is out there for you - however, I don't think this guy fits the bill.

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LeylaLeFay
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posted October 12, 2005 09:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Loser.

What he said is not as big a problem as the fact he favors one child above the other.

Some parents see the firstborn as "the one who ruined my life" and they become a symbol of lost freedom.

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Quark
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posted October 12, 2005 10:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What a moron....

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Aen
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posted October 13, 2005 03:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What the nerve....
To prefer on child over the other. Jerk.

And yes, i would certainly become less attracted to a man who were not a good parent. It has happened to me.

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missio
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posted October 13, 2005 05:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Everytime I have experienced this phenomenon my reaction is one of sickening outrage. You have to double check yourself as to why you would have asked this question at all. Why didn't you know right away?

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Neptune's Muse
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posted October 13, 2005 06:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How a man treats the women and children in his life is very important. Men will always be nice to you, because there is infatuation, love, adrenaline, a catalyst of niceness, but what about the women whom he doesn't have a crush on? How he treats her? What about helpless children? These void of emotional interest relationships ALWAYS reveal the true character of people in general.

I am not sure about you saying he is being honest and the facts came out wrong, parents never look back at money spent or financial libalities concerning their children. Your children are YOU, how can one think that? Parenthood is about unconditional love, I am sorry to say this man is uncapable of that, and it is obvious through your relationship with him as well, you said he was judgmental, etc etc.

sthenri, when there is a doubt, there is no doubt.


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proxieme
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posted October 13, 2005 09:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My opinion?:

This dude has serious issues involving control.

Run.

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amisha121877
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posted October 13, 2005 10:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Some parents see the firstborn as "the one who ruined my life" and they become a symbol of lost freedom" or the child just feels that way and has wayyyyyyyyyyyy too many responsibilities - having to grow up fast with some childish qualities lingering in the shadows to pop up sooner or later.

yeah, what's with that??????

2ND QUESTION:
does your boyfriend have siblings and if he does, is he the oldest, middle, or youngest?

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sthenri
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posted October 13, 2005 10:40 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think he is the middle, one older sister, one younger. Mother and father divorced, mother and he are not speaking. Father remarried woman he disliked because he felt she was attracted to him and couldn't face it. Sisters do not seem to like me especially older one who is bitter over her divorce and she kept whining about how my butt was smaller than hers. I felt really angry about her and said I never wanted to be alone with her again.

I can see a lot of negativity it's true with his Venus in Pisces trine neptune. It seems Pisces always shows the negative side as well as the fun side.

His Sun is conjunct Ascendant and mars.

Natasha

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AcousticGod
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posted October 13, 2005 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's the fastest and easiest way for someone to lose my respect, and, no, it's not attractive in the slightest. It's downright ugly.

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sue g
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posted October 13, 2005 11:08 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nat

Do you really need to ask girl.......you deserve better, much better......run........

xxx

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Loopy24
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posted October 13, 2005 11:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Natasha. Don't think your cancer moon could take this guy, he seems quite insensitive and a bit messed up, whether he means to be or not xx

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sthenri
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posted October 13, 2005 03:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I know yet my 6th house sun can be too critical and misunderstand everything. It could be that his Gemini daughter is too sensitive, she is never quiet and she was quiet just then. Maybe I am projecting my own issues on to him and after all he's my friend. He is somewhat loyal, that is he doesn't sleep or look around at other women ever: the only one I have found like that. I know I have a lot to offer but I can't hang around with complete losers.

At work, men are obsessed with work, or their children, it's tough to find good male friends, and this one is comparably speaking undeniably loyal to one woman.

So what do I do stick with ones that every woman wants? It seems they all need some sort of validation, insecure, just depends on where it sticks out and with this one it's his social standing-not unusual.

I don't want everything from him, or vice versa, trouble is I have already stirred the pot physically speaking so it's hard to go back. If I just cut it off there will be nasty feelings again.

Natasha

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MoonDuchess88
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posted October 13, 2005 07:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leyla, you just described my father. I am his oldest, and as long as can remeber he ALWAYS loved my pisces sister more. No lies. Im almost ashamed to call him a cancer. This is why this aquarius guy disgust me so....

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kiwigirl
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posted October 13, 2005 08:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Run girl, run! This guy sounds like he does have control issues, not only that, little girls need positive reinforcement from their dads, if she is only seeing her sister get it and her input is all negative, imagine the men she is going to attract when she grows up.

I find it really sad.

kiwi x

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Isolaede
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posted October 13, 2005 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isolaede     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is your gut telling you? Not your mind – you can overanalyze things to kingdom come, and never find a solution. What does that deep heart/soul part of you tell you about this guy?

I really do feel where you are coming from. It's hard contemplating giving up someone that makes you feel somewhat secure (in that he won't cheat on you). Trusting the fate of your heart to the unknown is terrifying. I was in the same boat with my last relationship. I KNEW it wasn't right from the start - and for much less poignant reasons than the ones you've just given us. My gut just told me that my Sag ex was not meant for me. But he made me feel so safe, and appreciated, I couldn't summon up the courage to extract myself from that situation for a long long time. When he ended it I was both heartbroken and relieved. Are you familiar with the Hanged Man symbolism in Tarot? Sometimes great sacrifice is required to achieve mighty blessings. Or the death card? Sometimes we have to experience death to know rebirth. In your case, I wonder if your gut already knows that this is wrong and has been trying to tell you something. You just have to find the courage to see it, accept it, and act on it. Remember that at the end of every death and every hanged man is the promise of new beginnings. Hang in there girl! You’ve had a hard road lately but soon this valley you are in will come to an end, and after that you’ll reveal on the mountain tops yet again.

*big hugs*

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SecretGardenAgain
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posted October 13, 2005 08:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
nat in no way am i condoning his behavior, but before u make the call to completely cut him off, i would say, take an overall look at his relationship with the Gem? altho he favors the libra, does he still have what you would consider an overall healthy relationship with his other kid?

my mom verbally abuses me to no end, but i still *choose* to live with her, because i know she needs me...i know his gem may be too small to choose that, but maybe she thinks of her father as this great guy and he redeems himself afterwards, or apologizes etc. some parents can make pretty big misktakes, the point is, are they forgiven afterwards? do they take care of their children in the end, and do their children seem to have healthy emotional lives afterwards? or, are they scarred forever?

Love
SG

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sthenri
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posted October 13, 2005 09:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, there is nothing wrong with a future with him, as I expect to have my own life too, I always do. That's the thing I have learned to live with, no man is my best friend or can be and I am fine with that. It's unrealistic and burdens my S.O with too much. But I have to decide when my house sells to move to Boston or NYC depending on which job I get and I don't know when my house will sell, or which employer will choose me.

Right now Boston is in a serious recession and jobs are tough to find. Working in NYC again for a year would open up doors for me, unless..and I get this feeling..unless the Aqua and I could be a team and work on the future together. He did say he was thinking about the future and wants to spend time with me in Boston because that's where he works. He also wants to build a house an hour north of Boston for his children.

I could go with all that, except that he is impatient for the good times to start now and I want to build a future with someone who is on the same page. He starts to distrust me as he thinks I am all about career and then he will get sarcastic and push me away towards work. So he maybe still in love with his ex wife, or secretly macho and hates the idea of me working.

My ex was like that, all soft soap and then later...a real neanderthal who wanted me home all the time but couldn't say it. I am worried that's what he really wants, home, children, more children, and I am done with that. I have told him this but he is stubborn and refuses to discuss it.

On the other hand I know air risings and I usually have a very good friendship and get along day to day better than most, I feel my accomplishments are respected and I have managed to work hard on my career with this man's help. He respects me deep down I can tell. Love I don't know.

It's hard to work on love and respect at the same time but experience has told me love without respect doesn't last.

Still that doesn't leave much time for romance, and I can feel he is getting stressed with my timetables and his ex wife, and daughters schedules as he drives everyone everywhere, allowing himself to be walked over a bit so he can complain.

I like him and I am attracted to his physical style which is healthy and strong, but it's a bit sexual which scares me sometimes due to past experiences. Even if he is just holding me I can jump a little but that's my nature.

He says he's scared of me, but that means he's scared of the future with me, and he gets nervous. If I could find a way to make him less nervous without sex or drinking it could help. I have tried all sorts of things but really I am no match for his insecurity and have to accept it.

It's a functioning relationship, better than most, and I like doing small things for him as he has done many things for me. I am motherly and he is fatherly so we battle over who does more for who but he likes to win and that's okay with me at this point in my life. He has bought me many gifts and feels unappreciated sometimes, but I don't know how to show gratitude easily, only to call and say I don't want to fight let's be friends and then see him again.

Then we fight again, because I forget to be easygoing after a hard day's work.

I have been through many deaths this year, I have moved twice and lost two relationships, cut off contact with my mother and started a new job. I know about rebirth, but it gets rough.

Natasha

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Mystic Gemini
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posted October 13, 2005 09:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Boston is in the same position as New York City also.


I'd say it's harder in New York City right now finding jobs. The economy hasn't been so good after 9/11.

Upstate New York is a different story though.


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*´¨)
¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨)
(¸.·´ (¸.·´ * Lost in the peace of serenity
Blind my eyes I cannot see
Lost my soul but found my heart
Again a time, when I shall start

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sthenri
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posted October 13, 2005 11:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will delete this as it's not very positive. However it did help me vent and have better dreams.

Natasha

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CancerianMoon
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posted October 14, 2005 04:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sthenri,
first off i wanna say as a parent i have said things that i shouldnt have said to my children...we are all human..but most of all my effort is to let my children know i love them all...even though they all need different things from me..that no matter what they do i love them. Besides that i say follow your heart girl! I know the head is needed in so many situations which is something i been going through lately but in this instance...follow your feeling!
I also wanna send you the biggest HUG !!!!
for all the re-birthing, changes, challenges and struggles you are going through....you know that after you have moved through it all...you will be wiser and stronger..

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