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lovely*
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posted October 15, 2005 06:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 4 year old daughter's teacher in
pre-k is having her tested next week because they believe she's showing some genius behaviors LOL

So my question is.. which aspects indicate intelligence? She does have Mercury in Gemini conjunct Jupiter, which points to her amazing and ever expanding vocabulary and her grasp of the foreign language (not fluent but she speaks Japanese and Spanish)

Her Merc is EXACTLY opp Mars in Sag, which could explain her diffulty with physical self control. Not in a mean way, but she'll run up to another child and give them a squeeze hug and lift them off the ground.. or she'll push them out of her way instead of saying excuse me. She has so many words, but she doesn't always choose to use them and I'm thinking this is her merc/mars opp.

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posted October 15, 2005 08:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey lovely, ive got merc conj mars and sun in the 9th and skipped two grades in school, was always in the honors, etc programs, and pick up foreign languages really quick. i think intelligence has its different forms and meanings to each person: i am good at the following, which ive noticed Geminis tend to be best at:
communications, persuasion, writing, speaking, debate
math and logic
lanugages and literature
critical/analytical thinking

things i am interested in but not too good at:
sports
history (despite that 9th house stellium)
management and finance (GRRR). versus marketing / HR which i love

Love
SG

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posted October 15, 2005 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for whiterabbit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Like SGA mentioned, there are so many different forms of intelligence: creativity (Uranus aspects, Leo, Aqua placements), artistic/aesthetic (Venus, Neptune), spacial, organizational (Virgo, Saturn, Uranus).. social intelligence, emotional intelligence. Some people simply have excellent memories, quick minds (Gemini placements) so they can retain information very well. Then there are those that are well-educated, either self-taught or grew up in an environment that nurturered learning and knowledge (Mercury in 4th house, for example).

Your daughter's Merc. in Gemini conjunct Jupiter really does explain the knack for languages and good vocabulary.

Isn't four years old young for tests like that? I hear that sort of thing from friends and it always makes me nervous- like 4 year olds should be left with their mud pies and swings.. even if they are budding geniuses. There is time for that to develop on its own.
Lol.. lovely, I'm not criticizing you, it's school systems.. I went through a bit of that as a child, I don't know. It's hard to know what's right- talent needs nurturing.. but..
ok, I'll stop my rambling.

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posted October 15, 2005 10:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I'm a Gem, and technically speaking, I have a genius level IQ (dedpending on you who ask - it's in the 1.5 top percentile of the population). But I don't know what aspects indicate high intelligence on a consistant basis.

Uranus singletons are often associated with genuis and high intelligence, and I do have that in the 1st. But I've know some people with Uranus singletons that weren't very bright. Mine tines Mercury - Uranus trining or conjunct Mercury leans toward excellant problem-solving skills and high intelligence, and in my chart, both my Uranus and Mercury are very strong.

Another two aspects in my chart that have been said to indicate high intillengence:

-Mercury conjunct MC
-Mercury trine NN (and this would apply to Mercury conjunct NN too)

Sun conjunct Mercury (also in y chart) is often considered a indicator of a confident mind, but not necessarily genuis. However, confident is defintiely needed to be smart.

I'm sure there's others, but these are the ones I know of off hand.

Now a couple words about Gemini, intelligence and calling kids "genuises":

I don't think it's proper to call any kids under the age of 13 a genuis. Their minds are so rapidly changing and developing, and there are so many experiences, good and bad, ahead of them that could affect their intellectual development. You really don't know how smart they are until their brain begins to development as an individual mind, and that doesn't start until adolesence. This is *especially* true of genuis, because genuis is not simply being really smart, but being uniquely smart. Labelling young kids "genuises" simply because they advance quickly in one subject or another could need to unrealistic expectatios by parents adn teachers, and self-esteem issues for the child.

Second, Gemini by nature indicates curiousity and precociousness more than extraordinarily high intellegence. Moreover, it's so mutable that in a young, fresh mind, it can learn very rapidly. That also mens it's intelligence can change rapidly - one year your kid's a language wiz, and the next, she may not be intersted in anything but dance recitals and that cute boy in her class. It also mean that if the Gemini mind isn't continually challenged and stimulated, or is overburdened by dull and rigid structures, it gets bored and frustrated and slows down in its otherwise rapid development. Most critically, the young Gemini ind is highly sensitive to discouragement and criticism. Unlike a the mind of a fixed or cardinal sign, it doesn't often have in-born confidence and needs regular positive and constructive feedback and support to keep it developing in a healthy way. Negative and harsh experiences, especially misunderstandings by adults due to teh Gemini's curiosity and precociousness, are common among Gemini children, and seem to adversely affect their intellectaul development more than many other children.

S in short, I would advise you not to tout your Gemini child as a ready-made genius. She has a long road ahead of her, and needs a lot of support, patience and a good, understanding parent who's looking out for her. Understand foremost that her intellect is a work in progress, and she should be encouraged instead of labelled. Let her develop according to her own talents and not your or other people's expectations, and who knows, she may turn out a genuis. Or she may simply be very smart and talents. But either way, she should be allowed to be happy for who she and you should look forward to the fact that, having a Gemini child, she's going to surprise you one way or the other.

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posted October 15, 2005 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nove731     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know. I tend to give off the image of being very smart (Virgo rising) but without much to really back it up (Mercury in Taurus/8th House). I have a very crappy memory, too. So much for having my Moon in the 3rd.

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posted October 15, 2005 10:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted October 16, 2005 04:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betelgeuse     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Lovely,

It does sound like you have a very talented youth The younger generation will be copiously embroidered with such talent, such is the ever-increasing emphasis on awareness. Like the above posts indicated, she is still very young, and its important not to force her in a direction, but let her grow naturally, though I'm sure you know this. Intelligence can express itself in many forms, intellectually and emotionally, the dustbin man with the 80 IQ may have far greater emotional development than the Uni professor. And remember the greatest intelligence of all, is held in the simple yet beautiful smile.

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posted October 16, 2005 04:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Betel,
Good post. In the business world, the shift is now towards EQ than IQ or more emotional quotient. Once humanity really evolves, we will seek better "HQ" or humaneness quotient.

Coming to IQ, I do have a phenomenal IQ of over 140 and I have the same Mercury Conjunct Jupiter in Gemini aspect as discussed in the first post here. The thing is, the type of IQ test questions also matter. Virgos have better analytical skills, Geminis better verbal skills, Aquarians have better inventive skills and so on. Thus, every sign of the zodiac has a phenomenal intelligence in it's own right.
Most IQ tests are veered towards Gemini skills and hence those with powerful Gemini aspects like me score heavily.

If carpentry/lathework/soldering/welding/driving/painting/sculpture/gardening were the benchmarks for IQ, I would score probably 10-15 in the IQ Tests.


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posted October 16, 2005 09:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
nice point.

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sue g
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posted October 16, 2005 10:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is considered a particularly high IQ ?

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lovely*
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posted October 16, 2005 03:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gem Nymph, she has Uranus in Aqua trine merc/jupiter in Gem. My husband has the merc/uranus conj. in virgo and I have it in libra, interstingly. I'm the dummy in the group, but I'm also the nicer more gentler one balancing things

And I don't want to give anyone the wrong impression. When my daughter and I are together we draw, color, and do creative things. She loves dress up, make up, doing hair, etc. and neither one of us are girly-girls.

I did buy her a spelling book last week and she followed me around with it for two days. I was shocked to see she almost filled every page practicing words. she eventually became bored with it and moved on to something else. She just wants to know how to do stuff and I'm a responsive parent, which is exactly what a Gemini child needs. I don't think I should discourage her natural desire to learn. However I never push, I may introduce her to a new concept or game, but never force her to learn it or criticise her for not getting it. I'm defintely not that type of parent. In fact my husband has been pushing me to enroll her in soccer and I've resisted because I already see her competitive nature. She is easily frustrated and super physical as it is, I'm concerned she'll hurt someone. If she gets hurt for example, she'll grit her teeth and kick something rather than cry. It's one issue we work on and it does freak me out sometimes.

So my only expectation of her now is that she work on being a kinder more gentler person, because she does tend to roll over people/peers, including elders. It's really tough to *teach* compassion at this age. I'm hoping once teh baby comes she will feel good about being a big sister and mommy's helper.

Oh yes, the genius word was said in jest by the way-LOL~ And the reason her teacher suggested testing is because we want to be sure she is placed in the appropriate kindergarten class. Luckily we have the resources to have her in an excellent private school in our area and part of thier process is testing the children regularly to see to it they are placed appropriately. One issue right now is that she is literally smarter than everyone in her class and it frustrates her. When she completes a task in 3 minutes and the rest of the class takes 20, it creates behavior problems because she will distract other children, talk too much and try to lead others away from thier work. Not good. My husband had the same problem in school.

Thanks for everyone's response~

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posted October 16, 2005 03:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi I agree being supportive of her as a person first is good: after all she's genius or not, she still needs to learn how to take of herself emotionally first.

I have merc in gemini opp mars in sag and I was very smart in school but I did fight too, boys and girls and got kicked out of a school for it. I had very physical arguments with my first ex too and I had no way to control it so other people would get that way around me. I am very physical as well as active so I learned to have hobbies, sewing, jogging, winter sports, decorating, baking, anything and everything involving other people and showing off too.

I have lunch every week with g/f's to talk and listen, like to shop, fanatical about exercise and music, travel, renovate my house, and very energetic.

I speak three languages and translated for a living for a while, but burned out on it. The danger of this aspect is burning out on things fast and it's necessary to take care of the physical body first.

As for emotional needs, it's a good idea not to push your child as my mother did and was very unhappy with my performance at times. She expected straight A's everytime, swim team, debating, everything perfect and I would fail to act out. Then when I would do things to get attention it wouldn't work.

I don't know but possibly your child has a need for personal warmth and approval. My sister is good with logic and math and is much more steady but just as smart. She doesn't care so much about what other people think of her, only those at work, and her inner circle. She wants to impress others with her skill not herself, so she doesn't take it as personally.

Learning to detach by doing a job involving logic and skill is a good exercise for anyone who is emotional: crossword puzzles, and games around the house will help because this aspect is a bit scattered and needs to focus.
Art is an excellent example because it takes a ton of rational thinking to make anything decent, and others have to like it too. So it's a blend of both creative and logical.

Debating, and word exercises are fun too, but something that is physical and exhausting mentally is necessary every single day.

Natasha
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lovely*
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posted October 17, 2005 07:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Natasha, thanks so much for the insight on merc opp mars. Do you also have Aries venus? One thing you have goign for you is your Taurus sun.. my daughter doesn't have any earth in her chart so she is all over the place. And yes, she does burn out or move from one thing to the next very quickly. Unfortunately, I did the same thing as a kid. I stuck with one thing growing up and that was horses.

Thanks for the suggestions. She loves words, problem solving and puzzles especially.

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posted October 17, 2005 10:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes aries venus in the 5th, and sag rising conjunct mars and neptune. Even with pluto and jupiter in virgo, and the taurus sun and saturn, I still lack enough earth. For that reason, my partners are usually heavy in the saturn department. (saturn singletons, saturn conjunct ascendant).

For some reason, maybe because of my virgo midheaven, I love sewing. I can't burn out on it, and I always go back, draperies, bedding, clothes, everything. It's a soothing hobby.

Natasha

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posted October 18, 2005 12:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sue,

An IQ of 100 is supposed to be average. A particularly high one would be over 140. Or if you want really, really smart over 150.


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posted October 18, 2005 01:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*lovely,

I've got a high IQ, too, and I don't have any of the placements mentioned here. I think there are aspects that allude to certain strengths in intelligence, but perhaps the extent of the intellectual ability is determined through genes or something. Just my hunch.

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lovely*
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posted October 18, 2005 03:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG, i'm sure one of us here could pin an aspect you have and relate it to your high IQ..LOL but i agree with your hunch/ but it's also interesting to study astrology of parents to see the similar aspects.. not necessarily sign placements, an abundance or air or lack of fire or whatever the combo.

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posted October 18, 2005 10:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think genius and intelligence are very different things. Very different. Einstein's teachers thought he was mentally retarded. What I DO believe is that intelligence forms good foundations for genius. Other interesting factors come into play too-people with obsessive tendencies, i.e. Asperger's syndrome do terribly in school, and as it turns out they might change history because they have tremendous focusing abilities. Nature vs. nurture...

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