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WaterNymph
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posted October 17, 2005 03:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
K maybe it’s me

No but seriously, we’re at the end of the cycle right? A composite of all that’s gone before - yet all I care about is friends, shopping, makeup, travelling and of course boys or shall I say men as I’m in my twenties

Ok I dunno, maybe some are - granted. But from looking at the one’s I’ve met…all they care about is socialising and clubbing……..and getting p***ed ok that’s one thing that’s right about some of us.

But really - how could astrologers be so off? Yeah, I can be spiritual…but I’m no bloody nun! No offence. I don’t think I’m more spiritual than anyone else. And anything weird about me prolly comes from my 9th house Uranus.

Perhaps there’s not much to us? Are the Moons any different?

I mean all this in a good way - no bashing…so don’t hit me

*edited to add
Perhaps I should make this more specific - I’m thinking of young Pisceans

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Rede411
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posted October 17, 2005 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rede411     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well...I'm sure age has a bit to do with it but my experience of Pisces is that they're more spiritual than deep. I had two Pisces friends in college who enjoyed nothing more than getting f***ed up every night...but that is very true of Pisces...they're more prone to become addicted to drugs...more so than any other sign. Maybe since they know so much (last sun sign of the zodiac) they like to escape from reality.

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Mama Mia
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posted October 17, 2005 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uh WN sorry babe but I cannot agree with you on this. I am very deep and yes I care about the pleasures that you mention but there is so much more to me then that. I sm very,very spiritual. I have kids too so that makes a difference as far as how I deal with things and on what level I deal with them on. You are still young and I think no kids. And maybe the Pisces you hang around are too.
Pisces are known for our eyes and femininety
most of are beautiful I know that I am,but what is best is when ppl see deeper then that like being a giver, a healer, an amazing mind that is psychic. Surely a not so deep person could not posses these qualities.

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WaterNymph
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posted October 17, 2005 04:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rede - I never got with the whole drugs thing. Music is my escapism.
Alcohol - well you gotta forgive the young ones right?
“they're more spiritual than deep” I totally get that, which rings true with me.

Hiya MM
I was thinking about you and…who else is a Pisces here??? Oh there are many - I usually confuse them for Scorps or Sags.

I think you’re right about the age and kids thing. I have no real responsibilities…and all three parents ( sounds confusing ) are very lenient with me - so that’s even fewer responsibilities.

So it could be an age thing - tho I have read too much fire in a person’s chart ( ie five or over ) can make someone more focussed on themselves.

But were you like this when you were younger?

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Mama Mia
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posted October 17, 2005 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Somewhat! I had my first child at 23 so I did not stay focused on myself long. My mom was leinent with me also. Just say I had my fair share of shoppiong clubbing and guys. To be honest I still get a kick out of them all right now just toned down alot. Drugs and alcohol is out. Wine is the best I can do.

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WaterNymph
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posted October 17, 2005 05:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*sigh* Yet again - I am the odd one out

Aww it’s ok. I mean it’s not like I don’t care - or I’m emotionless. But I’d rather be thinking about my hair than some deep dark mysterious thought. I mean we daydream - that’s not deep lol.
I'm not bad - I’m just not that serious...a big part of me is still a kid - I think Linda mentioned something about that and Pisces.

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Gemini Nymph
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posted October 17, 2005 05:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, having depth is one thing - being aware of that depth is another. Many Pisces Suns I'v found are to scare toe xplore their own depths. *shrugs* As a Pisces moon, that depth is unavoidable. Yeah I'm deep - a lot deeper than for most people, which is way I put up such a hard exterior shell. It's almost as though I live a parallel inner, spiritual existence along with my more outward cut-the-cr*p persona. People are often surprised to find out I'm not just a poet and musican, but a philosopher, mystic and theologian too. I'm not really emotional-spiritual, but rational-spiritual. Hoenstly, I'm one of those moody, philosophical types that spend free time pondering big existential questions. it's wonder I have any friends at all.

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Kat
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posted October 17, 2005 05:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dream on Piscean Moons.....

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WaterNymph
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posted October 17, 2005 06:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahhh dreams

“Many Pisces Suns I'v found are to scare toe xplore their own depths.” might explain why I’m hydrophobic I’m not kidding!! It’s nothing serious - I swim…but sometimes I panic. Ok maybe it’s nothing to do with this

I wonder is there’s anything that indicate shallowness in a chart.

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AcousticGod
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posted October 17, 2005 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Supposedly Gemini is a superficial sign, not that I find that to be the case. My ascendant is Gemini, and I don't come off superficially.

(After much deliberation I'm going to let the following joke go. This is unfortunately the tamest I could get it.)

I bet there are lots of 'short' men who'd be happy to learn you're not terribly deep.


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Rede411
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posted October 17, 2005 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rede411     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think Gemini is a superficial sign at all....they may appear flaky or flighty at times but I think it's because they have ten million things on their mind probing to find the answers to...course' I could be saying this because I have a Gemini rising too but hey...

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SecretGardenAgain
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posted October 17, 2005 08:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks AG, its true that us Gems can be pretty deep, we're concerned about everything from self-actualization to poverty in africa and aristotles philosophy, just because we try to immerse ourselves in everything our mind can get a hold of, people think we are a jack of all trades, and shallow? I think thats an unfair generalization for someone who is trying to experience life as fullest as they can--with their most active organ, the brain.

Btw WN i donno about the age thing....I am 20 and deeply spiritual....and very very serious and was always a precocious child...ive done lots of weirder things like our pilgrimage to mecca (religious), traveled extensively to learn about history, spiritual healing and counseling, volunteerism etc. one of the things that ive done thats changed me most spiritually is pray in hundreds of mosques from india to london, cairo to tehran, besides that visiting Jakarta after the tsunami was touching

i just think that my life has been pretty crazy paced but ive never been into drinking or drugs im very anti alcohol and anti drugs. so i guess go figure, it depends on the person?

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twentytwenty
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posted October 17, 2005 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for twentytwenty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
if what they say about eyes being the mirror or reflection of the soul, then pisces sun people have something beautiful inside for sure.
i think pisces people can pretend to not be deep in order to not upset people too. like all water signs, they often know you're intentions on a level most people don't really get.. it's probably why you always find fish and crabs together.. they just GET each other
and yes.. some of the biggest substance abusers i've known have been pisces. they just can't seem to shake it even after many years. although even through that, a they still have a basic level of love and understanding that surpasses most.

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Mama Mia
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posted October 18, 2005 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Say that Twentytwenty, I totally agree...

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Quark
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posted October 18, 2005 09:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For the facts;

Im a very fishy Pisces fellow.

1) I have used drugs...alot... Drugs for me have been about release, getting our of your body. As terrible as it sounds, they giveme a taste of touching god. and often enough they are the closest I get to having myself stop at a point, a crux, a stillness... I can't explain it. I know they are bad for me, I dont crave their pleasure, they just make me more than me..

2) I LOVE music and dance...

3) I often find it vey difficult to vocalise or put into words the depth of spiritual yearning I often feel...

4) I LOVE shopping and socialising

5) Im in my mid-twenties

6) If I wasnt so into boys I would jump on u water nymph!

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Iqhunk
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posted October 19, 2005 04:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi WaterNymph,
From what I read from Linda Goodman, Pisces Sun Girls are the only girls in the zodiac who are 100% feminine almost 100% of the time. And Linda would always comment indirectly how your tribe is "much married"

In any case, how is your intuition? Spiritual need not mean out of body experiences every night or thinking about God. Strong Intuition of guessing the right answer without knowing the logic is just as much Pisces as the conventional notions.

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WaterNymph
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posted October 19, 2005 05:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are many evolved Gems.

Hey SG, as a child I was REALLY mature. But that’s all changed yet I’ve got no Cappy in my chart.

Twenty-twenty - I understand depth…I’m just not deep. Maybe I should mention I have a singleton earth Moon
I don’t know where I read this, I think a knowflake said this once ( Piscean no doubt ) - but it feels like I have one foot in reality and the other in some other universe. And because I don’t understand the later - I chose to ignore it. Confusing lol

Quark that’s the nicest thing a guy has ever said to me


Hey Iqhunk
“100% feminine almost 100% of the time” - so true *pretend I don’t have Mars in Aries*
"much married" - apparently by 30 I’ll be on husband #4 oh my

I live on my intuition - I use logic only when I *have* to. Interesting…never really thought of it as spiritual…just, using what you got

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Mama Mia
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posted October 19, 2005 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WN: Having Mars in Aries means nothing as far as being feminine goes. I have that placement and I kickbox ocassionally shoot a lil ball and stil able to remain very feminine. That Pisces Sun girls being 100% feminine is true...

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Iqhunk
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posted October 19, 2005 12:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL, WaterNymph, I teased you on your Mars in Aries on some other thread.
Well, a fish is a fish. Always spiritually advanced and so darned modest about it. Infact, the reason why Pisceans are easily susceptible to substance abuse is they are most aware of the initial connectedness to God we had on the Higher Self level. The yearning makes them use drugs to stimulate the spiritual ecstacy. Infact, I am certain a Piscean "feels" drugs differently than others do. [This does not condone the usage.]
However, the real connection is infinitely sweeter and all Pisceans need to do to avoid drugs is to play that game "Snakes and Ladders". The closest "Snake" to the target leads to the lowest level. The trap of drugs is to divert the spiritually old soul from attaining the goal.
So if you Pisceans just be yourself, you are winning your endgame, irrespective of what you think your spiritual depth or state is.

Ok, now where did I leave my magic mushroom omelette... LOL!!!

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villy
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posted October 19, 2005 12:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

Well I think Pisceans are more spiritual (though I may not right in judging spirituality of other signs). What I think is we understand spirituality much easily...without making much efforts. I think it would be much easier (as compared to other signs.. not persons as each individual is a different being) for us to give up the worldly pleasures (if we want to). Enjoying life doesn't mean that one is not spiritual. Enjoying life may not termed of not being spiritual. Maybe enjoying life diverts your thoughts from spiritual thoughts, however your core soul might still remain same.
WN, I guess age might have something to do it. I too was self occupied, selfish, so many desires to dream of...in my teens. Don't think you would be odd man out..opps gal
I don't know how to explore ones depth...

SGA, I think being religious may not be same as being spiritual. Hope you don't take me wrong, just communicating my ideas, which may or may not be right I am still not sure, whether practicing religion and following certain rules and regulations (visiting churches/mosques) would be termed as spirituality. Both are at different levels. Religions can be numerous however spirituality is one. Religion can be termed as one of the ways to attain deeper spirituality, however it may not be the only way. Spirituality would be the core essence that one would like to have.
Maybe I am diverting for the threads topics. However it might be good to understand what spirituality is ... It might be amulgation of self-less Love, compassion, empathy and all the godly properties. By godly properties, I mean which are not created and defined by human beings.

WN, based on this, don’t you think you would be spiritual. Don't you think of/for others, and put them in front of your self... if not always/many times, at least a few times... Maybe this could change with age. Or may change with life's experiences.
Like Linda said for Pisceans, a man having 5 wives would be judged entirely differently by a Piscean as compared to other signs. Wouldn't you have much deeper understanding of lot of situations when others might have already judged and sentenced the person to his judgment. (Though frankly we are not the ones to Judge people in this world). If you understand these things then I think no one can say you are not spiritual.
By the way thanks for starting this thread

Iq
Good thing is I have kept drugs/alcohol far away. I am not sure if spirituality craving/escasity causes Pisceans to go for drugs. Maybe its tough for Pisceans to give it up once fallen to taking drugs, as compared to other signs. However not sure how spirituality would get linked to dgs.

V

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Quark
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posted October 19, 2005 09:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There has allways been a spiritual side to my drug use. The only problem with using certain psycadelic 'amines and other such hallucinogens is that the counter balance from spiritual use, to spiritual abuse is only so thin. Its a very difficult edge to balance upon.

My drug use has allways been centered around my dancing. I was a child of the mid nineties, a rave child. Dancing all night in muddy fields, connected with the universe, sea's of smiles and touchy feely love and affection (without sexual predatoriness). It was a special time, that first flush of e'ed up epithany. What Pisces wouldnt get caught up in it at such a tender age (15)?

Ofcourse, I have seen the dark side as well, as with all drug use after a while, when the neurochemical high is unatainable due to synaptic overload, one moves into a certain dark narcisim, bordering on self destruction.

And as a Pisces, I must admit I got a large amount of pleasure from this also.

People should remember we are not all sweetness and light. Part of me doesnt belong here and I think for many Piscean's existing in a world of suffering can be much too much. As a young man, certain powerfull drugs gave me a window out. Fullfillment of dissolution, temporary removal from the physical plane. But ofcourse, we have chosen to come here, and we have to decend back down to earth sometimes, and often when using such stimulants its with a heavy bang.

Maybe its because we are aware that the end of the cycle is near for us, I dont know. Or maybe we just find it easy to get caught up in those moments.

My relationship with substances continues, Im 26. So that makes 11 years of fairly solid drug use on my behalf.

Allthough, I have never stolen, hurt anyone or engaged in any junky behaviour.

The damage I have wreaked has been self damage, and yet I am in the last year of an honours degree and have a succesfull second career as a nurse.

Pisces may be susceptable to drug abuse yes, but the counter side (and probably also just as bad), is that we are extreemly resiliant to that type of internal punishment.

One thing I do find hard to swallow and I mean this as no disrespect to anyone ofcourse. However I dont usualy take advice from friends who have never used drugs its an understanding thing. "You shouldnt use drugs, they are bad for you.", and you know... how? Now I'm not being arrogant here but its really an understanding thing. People can not tell other people what to do with their lives, drugs like anything have negatives AND positive aspects. Proper education and correct information about the benefits and risks are paramount to a safer and more informed using or non-using populous. Whilst I am not proud of everything I have done to myself, I wouldnt change my experience for anything. It is such a large part of what makes me who I am.

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SecretGardenAgain
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posted October 19, 2005 10:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey villy
i didnt mean that religion and spirituality are the same thing. in fact ive said that a lot of times in my other posts on this board that religion is the path by which i choose to feel spirituality. in my opinion there are two kinds of religious beliefs, the ritualistic and the spirtiual, there are probably variations and hybrids of them too, i would consider myself religious AND spiritual, not necessarily one being causal or predecessor of the other. also i dont necessarily agree with ur definition of spirituality but i can see a similar concept. just like religion is different to different people,spirituality is also highly individual. ithink we are agreeing on the same thing, but since i didnt state it that way to begin with, it is obvious that most ppl prolly read the post the way that you did.

Love
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WaterNymph
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posted October 20, 2005 10:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey MM hun I was just teasing…we’re still super girly - no matter where our Mars is. I’m sure plenty of Pisceans have Mars in Aires…or at least Venus - I have both.

Iqhunk “So if you Pisceans just be yourself, you are winning your endgame, irrespective of what you think your spiritual depth or state is.” I think ( hope ) you're right
“Ok, now where did I leave my magic mushroom omelette... LOL!!!” *gasp* you have one too?

Villy “WN, based on this, don’t you think you would be spiritual. Don't you think of/for others, and put them in front of your self... if not always/many times, at least a few times... Maybe this could change with age. Or may change with life's experiences.
Like Linda said for Pisceans, a man having 5 wives would be judged entirely differently by a Piscean as compared to other signs. Wouldn't you have much deeper understanding of lot of situations when others might have already judged and sentenced the person to his judgment. (Though frankly we are not the ones to Judge people in this world). If you understand these things then I think no one can say you are not spiritual.” great post
I didn’t think of it that way…and yes I do all those things - but I never thought of it as “godly properties”, but you’re right. I guess my idea of spiritual is someone who constantly locks themselves away to meditate ( which I think is cool ). I haven’t reached that level yet, maybe as grow I will

Quark

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villy
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posted October 21, 2005 12:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Quark,

I think I won't understand your D state will leave it alone for you to enjoy ... whatever you are in, hope it goes fine with you.


SG,
I think I misunderstood you. Good to know your thoughts. Yeah, I just thought to give more meaning to spirituality, which might differ from individual to individual ....

WNymph...
Thanks, Yep, we/everyone will grow and understand more as we grow older.

ciao,
Villy

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