posted October 27, 2005 08:12 PM              

How do others manage libras? Do you just accept these faults and make the best of what you have, or do you feel that the pleasing is a way of arguing?

posted October 27, 2005 10:20 PM              

The funniest lie was when I asked libra #3 if I could smoke in his room. He looked a little anxious and said "Well, it would be okay but the smell would reach my mom's room even with the window open". I said, "what about if I spray air freshener or perfume?" He left to check the bathroom, then he said "That's a good idea but we don't have any". Well in the bathroom he had a big display of perfume and one air freshener. How silly to lie like that!

posted October 27, 2005 10:41 PM              

I have also found some libras like to "bring things to a head". And then there is a discussion, which can be confusing because it's surrounded by a need for love and affection at the same time.

I imagine I am just too emotionally driven to lie much, and it's confusing to please someone who is already content.

And what's weird about lying to me is, does lying make the actual event, person, thing, go away? It's like another reality has opened up under me, and I have to notice.

posted October 27, 2005 10:52 PM              

I wonder if a Libra with a Sag moon or Taurus moon would be more inclined to tell the truth?

posted October 27, 2005 11:04 PM              

My neice, who I live with, who is also a Libra, will "borrow" things from me, and then if I'm looking for it, asking if she's seen it, she'll just sit there and shrug...like "I dunno, don't ask me" then, magically, the thing I was looking for will appear on my bedroom floor or something. Why not just say "Oh yeah. I borrowed it yesterday. It's in my room. I'll get it for you" ?? Like I'd get mad.
Sheesh. Lol..

Nope, don't get it, myself. But I think they just can't handle a single unpleasant moment or bad feeling or something. Unless it's under the protective veil of a philisophical discussion, that they've initiated, that is. In that case, they can be become quite the cranky pants.

posted October 28, 2005 01:11 AM            

Lying, prevarication, fabrication, whatever -- both sexes and all zodiac signs have the potential to do it. Yes I believe it's true that there is a tendency for Libras to try to please all of the people all of the time, but I daresay this is an individual self-esteem issue, an issue of evolvement and maturity, and not a LIBRA issue.....

posted October 28, 2005 01:40 AM              

Some of us have experienced Libras that way.

posted October 28, 2005 02:30 AM            

Anyone who would like to experience the other side of the coin (a "Truthful" Libra) I guess you could call it, can talk to me here anytime.....

posted October 28, 2005 02:36 AM              

My grandma was a Libra and she was very honest also. She *was* diplomatic and nice like Libra tends to be, but if she had something to say she'd say it, in all honesty.

On the other hand, a person I was good friends with, also Libra, DID lie to me very much so. This wasn't in order to 'please' anyone. It was very calculated and for his own personal gain. I fell right into his trap and he probably milked it for all it had (I was kicking myself so much after this, because usually I am pretty sceptical-cap moon, but I trusted him and that was soooo silly of me).. but oh well, I guess you learn something from every experience..

I have known a person like the one SweetCappie described. A *real* pathological liar. This girl was not all there. She would lie about absolutely everything and she would make up the most blatant, silly lies..Absolutely everyone caught on to it, but she continued to do it. It's so hard to deal with someone like that so I can understand what you went through SweetCappie. She used to be one of my best friends, and I wanted to help her, but she didn't think she needed help..so there wasn't much I or anyone could do. We even proved to her that certain lies she had told were actually not true, but she still wouldn't admit it to us or to herself.. I honestly believe that she got to a point where she convinced herself of her lies. She thought they were reality, quite scary really. This girl wasn't a Libra though. I don't think her Sun sign had much to do with her behaviour. The only thing in her chart that could point to this is a Jupiter/Neptune conjunction, in opposition to her Moon.

I think lying in general, would have more to do with negative Neptune aspects, rather than the person's sun sign.

I agree with Zala. I'm sure that you'll meet people of all signs who can fib or lie or even be pathological liars..and you'll also find very honest genuine people of all signs.

posted October 28, 2005 08:28 AM              

I have a ton of Gemini and Pisces in my chart but I don't lie. I used to but I got out of the habit, as there was just no point. I think it was because I was scared of what other people would think of me, and avoided confrontation at all costs. Although I usually stop whatever I'm doing when s/o else comes into my room (when this happens w/out them knocking - i.e. has happened with family/husband). For that reason people think I am secretive and obviously have something to hide. I actually don't, but I can't stand it when people make "comments" or look over my shoulder - do you know what I mean?

posted October 28, 2005 08:46 AM              

the best way , ask them a straight answer , for that u need to push thema lot .
for example, if a libra says , he'll be there at say ,8'clock , tell him , u'll wait for fifteen minutes only . then u have the chance to know the real time that he might take to reach the place . he might say wait twenty five minutes rather than fifteen . thats the only way , i feel .

posted October 28, 2005 09:09 AM              

I won't lie if it's something important. I will "bend" the truth about some things.

Example: My Taurus mother and ex mother-in-law (who is a Taurus also) will ask my opinion on something regarding their cooking, decorating, etc.

Those women love to cook

Anyway... (NOTE: This is a rare thing as they are wonderful cooks) They'll have me taste something and if I don't like it (not because it's bad, just not my taste) I'll "bend" it a little and tell them it's really good.

My reason? Why stir conflict? Sometimes it's pointless and non-productive.

If I do something... I'll be the first to admit it. No one's perfect.

My brother is a Libra... One thing that he does that drives me crazy... he'll take credit for anything that goes well... if it goes to pod... he denies he ever had anything to do with it.

posted October 28, 2005 09:26 AM              

I mean, if all I have to do is take a little time out of my day to make someone feel loved, appreciated, etc. Why not.

I also love to buy gifts for people. I need to control that. I can't help it... sometimes I just see something and think "so and so would love that" and buy it.

Can't count how many times I've watched a program, went some where, or did something I didn't like just to please someone else. Ahhhh... whatever, if they're happy I am too.

posted October 28, 2005 11:03 AM              

I have an 8th house Cancer moon and I can bend the truth too to protect thereby losing respect, I am so aware of that problem. It comes from wanting to please, not the individual, but more to "do the right thing" by other people's standards.

It took many years to get my script down, on what is wrong and right for me and stand by it. I can still get confused.

The 6th house Sun Libra I am talking about is my ex who has Mercury conjunct Neptune in the 6th, in Scorpio. His moon is in Gemini/1st house, Gemini rising, Moon conjunct Ascendant, and Venus in Virgo in the 5th.

My Aqua b/f has Pluto aspecting his mercury in Capricorn in the 12th. So both are razor sharp at guessing the truth but give out the whole truth when it's convenient. The Aqua is much more blunt.

The Libra, says he will call and then hangs me up all day, he does things to keep me broke and guessing. Example, he said he would pay for a ticket to fly up and talk about a business idea. I said, fine, then he said it cost too much and he wanted me to drive. I said I couldn't then he said he'd come down. Then he didn't, because now the fares are too much.

Meanwhile...life goes on and the Aqua senses something is up, I try to talk about it and it comes out as what I hear, not what's going on. So It's tough to sort out the confusion because these are lies basically.

So I have to cancel everything with the libra to get plane reservations for Christmas and Thanksgiving straight away, and then do what I can with what money is leftover.

Dealing with reality-now my idea of going to NYC next week are out because I can't afford to go due to procrastinating about buying the ticket due to waiting on you know who.

I don't have time to wait on him, or help him out when I have lots of things I have to do. However it comes out after we talk...to the Aqua. So I try not to be lied to, no matter what the reason, it hurts too much later. I have been lied to about the smallest thing by an ex only to find myself very angry because I don't want to hear it. Truth or not if it's meant to hurt, I can tell, and it's not a question of working on the relationship, it's a question of working on my own self esteem if I have to hear these lies in my head.

I have a strong idealistic nature and expect others to tell the truth at all times. I know, good luck!

I had an ex lie to me all the time on purpose to hang me up, and he had a Taurus moon. So I think it has to do with pleasing. I could tell he was juggling people and I told him it would hang me up and that wasn't fair to me. He said he never thought about it that way! He wasn't telling the truth about that either though! He wanted to please so many other people he couldn't decide what to say.

And yes it's true I prefer compliments to my cooking but i warn ahead of time if it's not too good. I always want to know the unvarnished truth.

posted October 28, 2005 11:19 AM            

Example I recently was so smitten by a Libra/Scorp guy and vise versa had been seeing him in the gym for months we were both attracted to each other and he is so handsome. Anyway I kept it on a certain level still having feelings for this Aqua guy who also attends the gym. AFter months I finallu decided to give him my number and he did call and then he never called again BUT I still saw him in the gym and he was still so attracted to me would always hug me and one time he hugged me and did not let my waist go I was like Uh. But I could feel deeply that he liked me ans wished he could get to know me better. Bottom line he kept like leading me on I felt or making me feel we could possibly have something when in actuality he was married but never told me so. Now when he did not call me and pulled away that would have been enough for most ppl but I had to get to the bottom of his behavior. MADE him tell me that he was married which he was not going to told me that sometimes it does not matter. I Was like OH BUT IT DOES.. So that is what I mean about I am not gone let you lie to me if that is what I suspect.

posted October 28, 2005 11:41 AM              

Being like that myself, I know that not everyone appreciates this quality. Some tend to think that we're very unselfish (which is generally true) and/or we don't need or require the same in return.

I use to attract the strictly "taker" type. They were happy (which is wonderful)and I felt conflicted inside about speaking up for my wants/needs. So, they never were known.

I'm just now realizing that some people just aren't so fixated on pleasing others. I can relate to your romantic/idealist nature. I tend to get my feelings hurt often from it.

Anyway, sorry for the long winded reply.

I think you deserve the respect that you're looking for.

posted October 28, 2005 12:52 PM            

You're quite an intriguing Taurus. I'm very curious about how you're so into Air signs. I'm not condemning it at all. Just saying that it's interesting seeing your views on things.

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I've got a stellium in the 7th (Libra's) house plus a couple planets in Libra. I do try to make people comfortable, but rather than lie to make someone feel good, I tend to be quiet to prevent myself from hurting someone's feelings.

God help you if you ask for my opinion, though, because I'll state it honestly. With people I know to be sensitive, I'll try to ask them if they *really* want my opinion, because I have a tendency to be honest.

Interesting, now that I think about it -I have a Sag stellium in the 7th. The supposedly most abrupt sign in the most diplomatic house.

posted October 28, 2005 03:45 PM              

Libras, and Aquas, and sometimes Geminis, really lighten me up and sense what I want faster than anyone, and my friends usually do have Sag/Air influences. I do like Cancers too, one has a Libra stellium, and no earth in his chart. In my life I am very noticeable for being accountable and responsible and that's my role. Libra influences make a person fairminded, and even tempered.

I like to surround myself with intelligent people who can be honest with me. Since I can sense diplomacy in everyone, I find trust and honesty to be very refreshing.

Libra stelliums-Your manner is blunt, and direct and many times you have posed questions simply to clear up confusion. Sounds like you.