posted November 02, 2005 03:28 PM              

his uranus and venus in sagg. conj this conj my uranus and trines the following my vertex (in aries) and jupiter and his mars and eros (maybe his descendant cause not sure of his btime) later degrees his vertex and my t.node conjuncts.

(my pluto trines my mars+merc cancer)
my pluto grand trines his chiron(cancer) and t.node which conj my juno what does this mean?
my moon conjunct his pluto

a stellium in capricorn
(all this also his sun opposes my mars and mercury in cancer)
his moon+psyche
saturn+ neptune conj my neptune.
all the above sextiles our pluto's and my moon

my venus (taurus) conj my descendant (opposes my ascendant obviously) conjunts his jupiter.

his psyche and s. node conj my juno

his mercury and my pluto squares

posted November 02, 2005 06:28 PM              

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(my pluto trines my mars+merc cancer)
my pluto grand trines his chiron(cancer) and t.node which conj my juno what does this mean?
my moon conjunct his pluto

a stellium in capricorn
(all this also his sun opposes my mars and mercury in cancer)
his moon+psyche
saturn+ neptune conj my neptune.
all the above sextiles our pluto's and my moon

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My *opinion* of all of this is not a very positive one. This sounds very problematic, with a very emtional intense relationship that would be particularly draining for you, because his Pluto conjs your moon.

There isn't a real grand trine here if one of the point is a node without a planet in conjunction. Aspect configurations only count with bodies (planets and asteriods). I wasn't sure what's trining what in your description. Grand trin4s with two or more minor asteriods (basically any asteriod other than Chiron) or without any personal planets, I wouldn't see as very strong influence-wise. So in short, I don't think that means much at all.

ARe you saying his moon conj's your Neptune? If so there's a real tendency on his part to misread you and project his own idea of who you are, which probably isn't very close to reality. As he's a Cap, that's a big red flag - once he realizes you are not who he thinks you are, he'll be deeply disappointed and may even feel you've decieved him, even though he's decieved himself (as Caps often do - sorry if this offends any Caps).

With with his Pluto conj your moon, and him being a Cap and with is Sun opposing your Cancer Mars, I suspect he'll be fairly cold to you on an intimate level whenever you do something he's not happy with . This would be a form of manipulation (to get you to do what he wants) that could border on emotional abuse if allow to get out of hand. Becuase of a Cancer Mars and his Pluto lording over your moon, he will have the emotional upperhand and you will have little ability to stand up to him directly if he does choose to abuse you in this way.

His Saturn conj'ing your Neptune may indicate an inability on your part to see his truer nature and inclines you more to give into him if he tries to dominate or patronize you. Be mindful that Saturn rules his Sun, and so he has a very Saturnine nature, for better or worse. Saturnine types are often too rigid and confining for Gems, yet Gems by nature often lack the backbone to stand up for themselves in such a relationship, even if they have other earth placements. Likewise, Saturn is very impatient with Mercury - these planets just aren't cozy together. The two tend to irritate each other and lack much common ground.

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my venus (taurus) conj my descendant (opposes my ascendant obviously) conjunts his jupiter.

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Fairly nice, but not a relationship saver. If things are going good for yru two, this makes it more enjoyable. If things are going bad, such Jupiter connections tend to incline aprtners to excessive and irresponisible behavior. So I'm fairly neitral on my opinion of this one.

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his psyche and s. node conj my juno

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My intuition is telling me this probably indicates there is a lot you will learn from this relationship. SN contacts often indicate learning experiences rather than long-term relationships.

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his mercury and my pluto squares

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He'll think you play headgames with him, which could make you defensive. This isn't going to help things much. Sorry.

posted November 02, 2005 06:59 PM              

I remember you mentioning the Pluto person having the upper hand a few times and I was wondering..when person A has certain aspects in natal..like for instance if they have Pluto square Moon and/or Pluto conj Venus, and Person B is in the same generation so their Pluto sits in the same spot, making those same aspects in Person A's chart in synastry.. does Person B still hold the power in the relationship? Wouldn't Person A already be used to and know how to handle that energy because it's in their natal chart..

The only times I've seen close Pluto aspects in synastry were when one person had them in natal, and the other person was in the same generation.. so I was just curious about this

posted November 02, 2005 07:42 PM            

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As he's a Cap, that's a big red flag - once he realizes you are not who he thinks you are, he'll be deeply disappointed and may even feel you've decieved him, even though he's decieved himself (as Caps often do - sorry if this offends any Caps).

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posted November 03, 2005 12:10 AM              

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....An interp that I tend to get a lot, when synastry is used, is along the lines of '... this relationship could never be possible... should it happen, it will turn violent...'I'd LOVE some insight..... cuz, it's been happening now for almost 14 years and, if it had ever had a violent moment, that would have been a violation of code...

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In my opinion, you point out one of the problems of any astrology which makes "definite" judgments about a person's ability to have a relationship based on their astrological synastry. People can adjust, change, learn, etc. if they WANT to be in the relationship. Even very challenging synastries can be worked through if BOTH people are willing to work at it. Always remember, it is not the ASTROLOGER who has to work out the relationship, it is YOU, and YOU have all sorts of "insider information" the astrologer will NEVER know!

Urging using astrology as a guide not as an answer,

posted November 03, 2005 03:02 AM            

I can't say that though I was born Dec 26 that I'm a Pisces Sun simply because I wish it to be true. I would have to consciously change my behavior to try to reflect whatever it is that I find attractive in a Pisces Sun, and then likely still deal with the aspects of my true Sun.

posted November 03, 2005 07:56 PM              

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Guide in the sense that it shows your inborn tendencies, right? You can't say, for instance, that you've never displayed the tendencies listed in your chart...reflect whatever it is that I find attractive in a Pisces Sun...still deal with the aspects of my true Sun. Transcending ones chart is not denying the validity of the chart itself, correct?

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I am not talking about denying your own inner energy you were born with. That is yours for life and will always be there. What I am suggesting is that we look for alternative, helpful ways to express that energy.

For example, if we have Saturn (structure, also restriction) conjunct (energy is combined with) Mars (action) we could become frustrated because our actions are restricted all the time. OR we could decide to use our "down" time to better STRUCTURE our actions so that they do achieve what we want them to. Two different interpretations, each possible, it is up to US to decide on which one is more helpful to accomplishing our goals in life.

So we can use our chart to better understand our challenges AND the strengths that arise OUT of those challenges. And so as we re-think ourselves, we begin to do the things we have always WANTED to do. Because the reason we always wanted to do them is because the energy to do them is somewhere in our chart! And studying astrology can help us FIND those long-hidden energies.

Using astrology as a transcendent life-tool,