posted November 10, 2005 06:00 PM            

Ok, so what got me thinking was yesterday I used astro.com to check out a brief summary of my chart paired with someone else's and in honesty- I was god damn disappointed! I'm 'just really good friends' with the person apparently or if we get married it'll be out of obligation or something...

So where is the point for you where you draw the lines between emotions and belief? Do you think you can go against what everything is basically telling you about something astrologically speaking?
And if what astrology is telling you is contradictory to what you feel, do you submiss and believe what you felt before was fleeting and not significant?

This also counts for what it might tell you about yourself and friends' charts sigularly.

posted November 10, 2005 06:36 PM              

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Gemini sun, Cancer rising, mercury in Gemini, moon in Taurus *29, venus in Taurus, mars in Libra

posted November 10, 2005 06:48 PM              

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Stacey

posted November 10, 2005 07:47 PM              

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And if what astrology is telling you is contradictory to what you feel, do you submiss and believe what you felt before was fleeting and not significant?

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No Way for the following reasons

1. Interpretations on the net only look at aspects individually, not at the whole chart. This is a massive issue, because unless you look at natal for both people first, to see the main important focus points in their individual charts and only then see how they interact with each other, you'll be missing a lot of info.

2. Even if you (or an astrologer you go to) do go through the process properly and look at the whole chart/s, not aspects individually, this won’t necessarily be 100% accurate. It most probably stands a better chance of being accurate, and you will often find accurate elements in it..But at the end of the day, Astrology is subject to human interpretation.

A chart is something factual and accurate, because it is a map of all the planets as they sat in the sky at the time of your birth.

However, everything about these planets including the aspects they make, the signs they are in etc IS subject to interpretation. Obviously experienced astrologers will have a better idea, from their own personal experience, of how an aspect is MOST likely to pan out, but it will never ever be a certainty…A probability or a possibility, perhaps, but definitely *not* a certainty.

3. Due to astrology being subject to interpretation, a lot of times you will find divergent interpretations of the exact same aspect. Even experienced astrologers argue about astrology and what works best because they are different people, and their experiences provided them with different findings.

Also with any aspect you look at, the interpretation depends a lot on where this aspect is, which houses, what signs and the people involved/ how they choose to handle and deal with the aspect.

4. Astrology is not there to tell you what IS or what WILL BE. It can’t do that. It can only tell you what is most likely to happen and where you *might* (not *will*) encounter problem areas. What you do with these problem areas and how you tackle them is entirely up to YOU, in natal/synastry/composite and whatever else.

5. If it ain’t broken, don’t fix it! If you don’t have problems in a certain area, don’t start thinking you *do* after having read an interpretation. Like I said, any aspect can pan out a million different ways, because there are millions of people in the world and each person handles the energy their own way.

6. If it IS broken, don’t try to pretend it isn’t! If the synastry looks great on paper, don’t think it WILL be smooth sailing and don’t try to down play problems, because they seem inexistent in your astro chart or in synastry.

posted November 10, 2005 08:31 PM              

In a synasty chart, each partner's birthdata is plotted on the others chart. It indicates the potential that each partner brings to the relationship. Each partner may or may not manifest that potential, its depends upon their level of maturity and desire.

The composite chart on the other hand illustrates what a relationship between the two people is capable of manifesting. Unlike the synasty and natal charts, it can't change. It is what it is. For example say you want to live somewhere like Seattle that has a pretty good rain fall and in some individual's estimation is pretty gloomy. You have the choice to live there or move to somewhere else. If you do live there, you have just got to accept that the weather will be what it is, it can't be changed. Your only choice is do you want to live there or not. In a composite chart, your only choice is are you willing to be part of the relationship as it is, will it give you what you want and need.

Another factor that you might consider is that the composite chart is as accurate as the birthdata. You would be surprised the number of people who think or are told that they are born on the hour (6PA, 3AM,etc..) Its hardly likely that out of the 60 minutes available, so many are born on the hour.

Another factor is the arc allowed in aspects. Some individuals use large arcs, some like myself use small arcs, it makes a difference.

I agree that no one should live their lives according to astrology, but I also think that to ignore it would be a disservice to yourself.

Just my 2 cents

Lanny

posted November 14, 2005 04:22 PM            

nove & MG- good for you guys!

dorkus_malorkus and Lauren-
You both made different points, but both of you were talking about specific aspects. Problem is (although I may look at a big composite if I'm feeling brave) it didn't really show any aspect aside from good ol' friendship... which i just found bizarre to see because I find him so attractive!!
Lauren, what you said is inspirational though, ta

Illog- ah, thanks.... that's helped- it explained! Btw, are you offering to do me a composite chart? lol, don't worry...

hot_ice- that sounds very Geminian of you!

AG- ok!

Stargazer, that's interesting... what's your partner's big three?

posted November 14, 2005 07:43 PM              

awwwwww ppls here have been so nice to me lately

posted November 14, 2005 10:14 PM            

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I agree that no one should live their lives according to astrology, but I also think that to ignore it would be a disservice to yourself.

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I agree with this, but I also agree with:

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I believe that no one shows up by accident... i attract them... my friends, lovers and even enemies are my mirrors... they show me things about myself that i might otherwise miss.

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posted November 14, 2005 11:29 PM            

Nobody could say it better than Lauren! But, here's a good article and quote from Steven Forrest:
http://www.stevenforrest.com/lovehandles.html

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To me, in the realities of the astrological counselling room, there are
two immutable premises:

There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently sweet that enough selfishness, confusion about sex, or
immaturity cannot turn it sour.

There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently bitter that enough patience, devotion, and humility can
not only make it last, but make it something precious to both people.

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posted November 16, 2005 01:29 AM            

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And, Astrology is just a way of recognizing potential.

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No criticism intended to anyone...

In my opinion a more accurate statement would be:

Free will is just a way of recognizing potential.

Astrology isn't the modifier. Astrology doesn't say you CAN be this way or that. Astrology says you ARE this way or that. What you do with that knowledge to better yourself is called free will. What you do to break free of astrology is free will. There may be conflict indicated in your chart, but you, yourself are not in conflict with your chart.

posted November 16, 2005 08:55 AM            

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Is sheer will power enough to change the course of fate???

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Definitely not! There are things(karmic debts) you just have to pay off, no matter how 'good' in this life and strong you may be

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I used astro.com to check out a brief summary of my chart paired with someone else's and in honesty- I was god damn disappointed!

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Well you should not; I agree with Lauren!

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And if what astrology is telling you is contradictory to what you feel, do you submiss and believe what you felt before was fleeting and not significant?

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Astrology helps us to determine what really might be the problem and what is the best way to deal with it, nothing more nothing less.

It is up to you (and him) (when heavy karma doesn't interfere) to decide if you are going to be together.

Moreover, I noticed that stressful aspects (especially in intimate relationships and blood kin relations) can 'cement' you together better than any supportive aspects!

I also believe that Love cannot be explained by astrology or anything else (despite all soulmate aspects etc).

I have the whole package of soulmate/karmic aspects with someone but we are nothing more but good (not the best) friends.

I have more hard aspects than supportive ones with those I love very much and we get along well! (though in the past it took us painful efforts to acknowlegde and respect our otherness from each other)

Besides there are so many other minor karmic aspects, parallel/contraparallel aspects, midpoints, individual and Solstice points, parces etc that you just cannot physically take them all into account.

So if you think he is 'the one' or you just love each other and want to be together - go for it!

Here is a link for you to read btw
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/005637.html

posted November 17, 2005 02:45 AM            

Peri- What karmic debts are these???
You mean fate might try to prevent something I want in life because of something I did in a past life?!