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zeldatiara
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posted December 15, 2005 04:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My father recently passed away. It reminded me of a few things I've read in various interpretations of my chart. One of them from Astrodienst I've quoted below.

Question: does the rising sign typically show or suggest anything about parent-child realtions?

Does Leo often show something about child-father relationships?

Where in my chart can I look to learn or understand more about what it may teach/enlighten me about my relationship with my parents? Another aspect of my chart (of course, I forget which right now) was interpreted as showing that in my childhood I would have to take on an adult role, and that was very true.

Any insight or further info would be helpful.

Thanks again, everybody here has helped me see the vast world of astrology in a new and different way.


Astrodienst says of Leo Rising:

"The death of your father will probably be an important, traumatic, and decisive event in your life and will develop a more profound realization of your own nature."

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zeldatiara
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posted December 15, 2005 04:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a little more of the same- I was searching for info about my Sun square Neptune and happened to come upon this article <http://www.archetypalastrology.com/astro2.htm>, and I quoted the portion that got my attention
as it mentions the aspect I was searching.

Does anybody here agree with the interpretation? Very curious.


"I want to give you a sense of the parents as divine messengers, acting out for us, dramatizing for us, the complex archetypal energies that comprise our soul image. I am intentionally using the chart of someone that most of you know well. I don't intend to give you any new astrological information. My intention is to show you how I use the material that is already fairly familiar to most of us.

In Carl Jung's birth chart, he has the Sun square Neptune. The Sun represents the father, the Old King in alchemy, and Neptune represents the oceanic, the ecstatic, the realm of Dionysus, the irrational, the imaginal. The square between these planets suggests the father's unsuccessful integration of Neptune's realm.

Because we are looking at Jung's inner image of the father via his chart, this aspect also suggests Jung's awareness of his father's failure to integrate Neptune's realm. The primary image of the father will be one characterized by the negative expression of Neptune. He will experience the father as weak, as wounded, as disappointing, as suffering. We know that the Sun square Neptune can be experienced as the alcoholic father, the father who drowns his sorrows in spirits, or a sick father, or the idealized father who eventually falls off the pedestal, or an absent father we can't remember clearly, whose image is fuzzy, nebulous. The essential image is the father who embodies an ego with a hole opening inward and downward into the irrational, which he is fearful to explore."

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Yang
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posted December 15, 2005 05:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Leo rising, but my father hasn't passed away yet!

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Mystic Gemini
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posted December 15, 2005 05:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd recommend the child report.

http://astroayuda.org/infoi.aspx?


Very accurate for me.


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Mystic Gemini
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posted December 15, 2005 05:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't worry your father is at peace.

I am so sorry. I lost my father at a very young age when he commited suicide.

I was there when it happened.


He is in heaven now. I'm so jealous.

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Gemini sun, Cancer rising, mercury in Gemini, moon in Taurus *29, venus in Taurus, mars in Libra

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¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨)
(¸.·´ (¸.·´ * Lost in the peace of serenity
Blind my eyes I cannot see
Lost my soul but found my heart
Again a time, when I shall start

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sthenri
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posted December 15, 2005 07:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
zeldatiara, I also have neptune aspecting my sun-taurus sun exact opposite scorpio neptune. All of my b/f's have had strong Neptune or Scorpio, and that's one of the reasons I am so not happy with romantic relationships most of the time, I prefer romantic practical ones:>

My father passed away with kidney and liver problems, due to his quiet drinking. Aqua Sun/Pisces Moon. Very nebulous, loved music.
i miss him so much and dream of him dancing with me to music.

I have Sag rising, conjunct Mars and Neptune so I feel that I cannot separate the idealized version from the real one.

I believe in my experience, fire ascendants have more of a father connection than others, because it's idealized.

For some reason I find Cancers very comforting to be around, it almost never fails.

Take Care,
Natasha


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zeldatiara
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posted December 15, 2005 10:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi everyone, I have *some* responses:

Mystic Gemini,

quote:
http://astroayuda.org/infoi.aspx?
Very accurate for me.

thanks for the link, unfortunately, its automatic calculations miscalculated my moon sign so it wasn't very useful. But I'll revisit it soon. Certainly seems like an interesting site.
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Mystic Gemini,

quote:
Don't worry your father is at peace.
I am so sorry. I lost my father at a very young age when he commited suicide.
I was there when it happened.

Thanks for your condolences. I too hope he is now at peace as his life on earth was very hard for him.
My maternal grandmother had the same experience as you with her father.
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sthenri/ natasha,

quote:
zeldatiara, I also have neptune aspecting my sun-taurus sun exact opposite scorpio neptune. All of my b/f's have had strong Neptune or Scorpio, and that's one of the reasons I am so not happy with romantic relationships most of the time, I prefer romantic practical ones:>

I can totally relate!

quote:
My father passed away with kidney and liver problems, due to his quiet drinking...Very nebulous, loved music.
i miss him so much and dream of him dancing with me to music.

Another similarity, my father was an alcoholic and my earliest memories of him are him sharing music with me. I love your imagery, I think I will adopt it for the tougher times. Thanks!


Natasha, you wrote:

quote:
I believe in my experience, fire ascendants have more of a father connection than others, because it's idealized.

A-ha! There's that word "idealized." From "Jungian approach to astrology" regarding Sun square Neptune:

quote:
"We know that the Sun square Neptune can be experienced as the alcoholic father, the father who drowns his sorrows in spirits, or a sick father, or the idealized father who eventually falls off the pedestal, or an absent father we can't remember clearly, whose image is fuzzy, nebulous. The essential image is the father who embodies an ego with a hole opening inward and downward into the irrational, which he is fearful to explore."

Idealization of fathers/men in my family seems almost like a rampant disease! My mother idealized her father as well as her first husband, my dad. Even after mistreatment and divorce, she idolized him and idealized his fathering.
I have a very uncomfortable place in my family as the one who sees through denial, self-delusions, and all those other things we do to protect ourselves and others from painful facts. For two thirds of my life I followed my mother's idealization of my father, yet was very confused because the man I knew to be my father and what my mother and stepmother (they both idolized him) said about him was not meshing, so I participated in this delusion. Eventually, my true nature intervened and I was the unpopular family member for a while because I asked for "all the cards to be laid on the table" and that meant seeing him, her, and myself all in the light of day. It was painful, but for me, the truth indeed freed me. My mother resented me for a while, which I understood, and then she bravely took a look and acknowledged truths that had been long buried. Sadly, my father was already too far gone to really participate, and I'm not really sure how he would have dealt with it anyway. He was my father, I love him, and he was human, not an ideal or an idol, and to me, that fact is far less painful than lying to myself.

The info I've read about having a fire ascendent,sun square neptune, etc. really resonate for me.

Thanks everybody for your support, and if anyone wants to share anymore insights about what our charts can tell us about our families (soon I will find my father's exact time of birth and do a proper chart for him so I can understand more), I'd be very interested.

- Zelda



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bullhead
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posted December 15, 2005 11:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:i miss him so much and dream of him dancing with me to music.
quote: Don't worry your father is at peace.
I am so sorry. I lost my father at a very young age when he commited suicide.
I was there when it happened.
it just break my heart when i see this thread....i know how u guys feel...i lost my father 3 yrs ago. everytime i think bout him, my tears just keep falling...i flew back to see him but i was 2 late, but i had so much faith in me i thought i could see him off. my sister didnt want to tell me at the airport, she knew i wouldnt be able to control myself, when i asked her wht time did he pass away, i SWEAR, it was the time i felt this weird chill in my body when i was @ the plane, i felt as if SOMEONE was staring at me, i had this strange feeling..then i realised it was my father's spirit. my mom then told me the nurse try to convince the doctor leave his body there for me to take the last look and say goodbi but the doc refused. when i heard it, i thought the nurse was such an angel, i never get to meet her, but she will stay in my heart 4 ever. IM sure all our fathers are in peace now, and they are watching over us.

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zeldatiara
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posted December 16, 2005 01:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bullhead-
That nurse was an angel. It must have been so heartbreaking for you to not see him, but at least your family was kind enough to know when to tell you.
I completely believe you when you say you felt his spirit. I just *knew* the morning my grandmother passed. Yes, we had all been expecting it, but I felt a change in myself that morning and knew she had just left her cancer ravaged body.
I'm happy this thread is here so we can share these experiences.
Take care,
Zelda

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bullhead
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posted December 16, 2005 03:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank u Zelda,
its real nice to know dat someone understand how if felt when our loved ones try to contact us, cuz it sounded so imaginary, but there are no words can describe.... it was the hardest thing ever for me to accept dat i couldnt see my father off after 15 hours flight. i even asked GOD y HE is doing dat to me, but i have faith, it might be for the better. sometimes we dont have to understand everything but just keep our faith. my mom told me the nurse was crying as well. but the whole experince did make me stronger, everytime when im really really sad, i told myself no big deal! ive been in the worst situation. so i stay strong.

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astro junkie
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posted December 17, 2005 12:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
zeldatiara -

So sorry for your loss.

As for the Rising, I would NOT say it is something normally looked at when it comes to issues of the father and death.

The part you mentioned about taking on an adult role early on - were you reading something having to do with Saturn, your 10th House, or a Capricorn influence in your Chart? That's normally where something like "taking on an adult role early on" shows up.

Look at your Transits too. Perhaps Pluto Transiting your Moon or Saturn ... lets take a closer look.

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zeldatiara
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posted December 17, 2005 03:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you again, and will look into your suggestion

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posted December 18, 2005 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my best friend's father just died 2 days ago and she has a leo rising

on the day and time of his death i did an event chart...and leo was on the asc at his time of death.


my dad has a leo asc too. his mother died when he was 19. she was a mother and a father bc he never knew his. leo was on the asc the time she died as well

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zeldatiara
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posted December 18, 2005 12:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my father died early on the 14th, about 1 or 1:30 AM EST USA time.

very interesting about the leo asce. at your friend's father's death. i will look up mine.
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Astrojunkie:
um, how should i check pluto & moon transits? do i check them out for my birth time or for when my father passed?
thanks for the very helpful suggestion.
-Zelda

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