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nove731
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posted December 18, 2005 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nove731     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's this boy. And he's totally obsessed with my friend. She's repeatedly told him that she doesn't like him like that. He's even gone so far as to make friends with her family to get close to her. It's at the point where her own mother is suggesting that she date him, but she doesn't really know how my friend thinks of him. She feels so out of control that she cries about it...

Is there anything between the two of them (in synastry) that could show this?

Her (Gemini, Pisces, Libra)
June 14, 1990
2:57 PM
Nashville, TN

Him (Pisces, Sagittarius, ?)
February 28, 1989
unknown birthtime
Nashville, TN

I think he may have been born at around 9:45-10:00 AM, though. It seems like he exaggerates and tries to compete with people all the time, and he's really stubborn. If he were born at that time, then that would make his Ascendant conjunct Jupiter (exaggeration) and Mars (competitive) in Taurus (stubborn).

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posted December 18, 2005 09:16 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sag mooners hate it when I say it, but Sag moon (especially if afflicted) often manifests with a "God complex" - either the native has unhibited or exagerrated self-confidence/self-image, or thinks they can do anything or overcome any obstacle. My dad is a Libra-Sag and basically thinks he can solve any problem, and in truth, he's made many, many terrible choices that have hurt himself and his family. He'll never admit that thought.

I've been recently collecting more data that certain Sag mooners (male and female) also tend to become overly obsessed with love interests when they've been rejected by them - in fact they seem to handle rejection very spitefully, prompting them to pursue a love interest out of very selfish, even vindicative reasons. It's sort of a "Oh I'll show you that I can have you" way of thinking, and frankly, it's pretty scary for the person who is pursued by one of these obsessed Sag mooners. I don't have enough data to these Sag mooners and their love obsessions to pin point a pattern of how their Sag moon is aspected either natally or in synastry that may trigger this behavior, but suffice to say, in each case that I've come across so far, there's been an obsession triggered by rejection, and the use of manipulative, sneaky and even treacherous means to either "get" or "get back" at the love interest. I don't mean to scare you too badly, but FYI: infamous serial killer Ted Bundy was a Sag-Sag. And his killing spree has been linked by criminalogists and psychologists to a vindicative obsession he had with a woman who rejected him in his early adulthood.

I suspect that this guy's self-image (Pisces Sun) has become very absorbed with this Pisces moon girl and probably is basing his interest in her in his own fantasies of her than in her herself. Pisces tends to "lose" itself is its own desire and fantasies, and can become very out of touch with reality. And with his Sag moon, he *feels* this is a relationship that *must be* because it's what he wants. If you are able to talk to this boy, you should stress (and if he's scaring your friend, I'd say you should be clear and to the point) that what he wants isn't want your friend wants, and it's unfair and mean that he pursues her via her family when she's said no to him. Tell him to accept her rejection and grew up!

As for your friend, being a Gem-Pis, I know how scary it is when you feel like you're in a situation that's bad and no one will see things your way. It may be hard for her, but she need to tell her family that she's scared of this guy because of his inability to accept her choice not to go out with him and his (apparently) irrational and self-centered behavior. If her family is anything like mine they'll probably blow her worries off as silliness, but she needs to make a stand for herself.

There may be more in their charts, but I can't draw up their charts right now. But look at any Pluto aspects between them too - that may also indicate obsession.

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nove731
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posted December 18, 2005 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nove731     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Sag mooners hate it when I say it, but Sag moon (especially if afflicted) often manifests with a "God complex" - either the native has unhibited or exagerrated self-confidence/self-image, or thinks they can do anything or overcome any obstacle. My dad is a Libra-Sag and basically thinks he can solve any problem, and in truth, he's made many, many terrible choices that have hurt himself and his family. He'll never admit that thought.

I've been recently collecting more data that certain Sag mooners (male and female) also tend to become overly obsessed with love interests when they've been rejected by them - in fact they seem to handle rejection very spitefully, prompting them to pursue a love interest out of very selfish, even vindicative reasons. It's sort of a "Oh I'll show you that I can have you" way of thinking, and frankly, it's pretty scary for the person who is pursued by one of these obsessed Sag mooners. I don't have enough data to these Sag mooners and their love obsessions to pin point a pattern of how their Sag moon is aspected either natally or in synastry that may trigger this behavior, but suffice to say, in each case that I've come across so far, there's been an obsession triggered by rejection, and the use of manipulative, sneaky and even treacherous means to either "get" or "get back" at the love interest. I don't mean to scare you too badly, but FYI: infamous serial killer Ted Bundy was a Sag-Sag. And his killing spree has been linked by criminalogists and psychologists to a vindicative obsession he had with a woman who rejected him in his early adulthood.


Well, as a Sag. Moon myself, I can own up to being all high and mighty when I don't get my way, but...I don't think I've ever become obsessed with someone...especially not to the point of stalking...I don't know. Maybe my Virgo Rising just negates it or something...I'm not sure. I definitely tend to get along better with my Rising sign, though. I don't usually feel my Moon too much...I can't really distinguish it from my Sun (Aries), to be honest.

And I was hoping you'd respond to this, because you ARE a Gem/Pisces.

I don't know. She's really afraid to be mean to him. I think it's because he's so popular. She doesn't want anyone to dislike her for rejecting him in a mean way or whatever.

Thank you, Gemini Nymph.

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nove731
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posted December 18, 2005 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nove731     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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There may be more in their charts, but I can't draw up their charts right now. But look at any Pluto aspects between them too - that may also indicate obsession.

Oh, and as for that:

[Italics are her planets, bolds are his]

Pluto opposed Venus
Pluto opposed Mars
Pluto opposed Jupiter
Pluto trine Venus
Pluto trine Jupiter
Pluto trine Moon
Pluto trine Sun
Pluto sextile Saturn
Pluto square Mercury

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The Mutable Night Force
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posted December 18, 2005 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Mutable Night Force     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey there nove!
Cool to see you around again

I can't tell you for certain, but I can back up what GN said... I know a few Sag Moons... and they can get a bit of an ego sometimes... well the girl Sag Mooner I know doesn't, but as far as I've seen, guys do! Plus, I *think* most Fire Moons have a little thing about wanting the unattainable, taking part in the chase, if not for simply a boost of their own egos. Oh wait, I'm an Aries Moon, oh well... s'pose it's true

If all else fails, your friend can always get a restraining order!

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