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Salisa
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posted December 20, 2005 11:28 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow this is my very first post. Um well any how I have this odd little thing with me and villains. Normally when watching movie people end up hating the villain...yes. Well not me, this may sound messed up but I'm attracted to men who are obsessive, have tempers, are twisted in some fundemental way, posessive,ect, ect. The key to all of this is he could be the most messed up person on earth but if he bares his soul about how he feels, I start to drool. Why can't I be attrated to the good guy that bares his soul. Well any ways do you think you could pick my chart apart to see what makes me feel this way. Oh and if you happen to find any interesting besides that please tell me.


for Salisa (female)
born on 11 June 1985 local time 11:55 am
in Fairfield, CA (US) U.T. 18:55
122w02, 38n15 sid. time 04:07:05
Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Gemini 20°46'26 10 direct
Moon Aries 06°43'22 08 direct
Mercury Gemini 25°57'12 10 direct
Venus Taurus 05°01'48 09 direct
Mars Cancer 01°33'43 10 direct
Jupiter Aquarius 16°53'19 06 retrograde
Saturn Scorpio 22°55'46 03 retrograde
Uranus Sagittarius 15°47'04 04 retrograde
Neptune Capricorn 02°33'41 04 retrograde
Pluto Scorpio 02°10'39 03 retrograde
True Node Taurus 17°47'37 09 direct

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Virgo 07°08'27
2nd House Libra 01°34'20
3rd House Scorpio 00°45'07
Imum Coeli Sagittarius 03°46'42
5th House Capricorn 07°40'44
6th House Aquarius 09°12'11
Descendant Pisces 07°08'27
8th House Aries 01°34'20
9th House Taurus 00°45'07
Medium Coeli Gemini 03°46'42
11th House Cancer 07°40'44
12th House Leo 09°12'11
Major aspects
Sun Conjunction Mercury 5°11
Sun Trine Jupiter 3°53
Sun Quincunx Saturn 2°09
Sun Opposition Uranus 4°59
Moon Square Mars 5°10
Moon Square Neptune 4°10
Moon Quincunx Ascendant 0°25
Mercury Conjunction Mars 5°37
Venus Sextile Mars 3°28
Venus Trine Neptune 2°28
Venus Opposition Pluto 2°51
Venus Trine Ascendant 2°07
Mars Opposition Neptune 1°00
Mars Trine Pluto 0°37
Mars Sextile Ascendant 5°35
Jupiter Sextile Uranus 1°06
Neptune Sextile Pluto 0°23
Neptune Trine Ascendant 4°35
Pluto Sextile Ascendant 4°58

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Salisa
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posted December 20, 2005 01:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dose any one have any thoughts, any ideas at all?

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wilsontc
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posted December 20, 2005 01:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Salisa,

You have Pluto (transformation, also sex, power) opposite (energy is over-excited by) Venus (relationships), so power in a relationship is exciting. The challenge, as you are most likely aware, is that the power which excites you is actually your own, but you tend to see the power as occurring "outside" you. Once you acknowledge and accept your own power, you will not any longer admire those people who are trying to oppress and/or overpower you, for you will no longer need these people to access your own power. You will be able to be powerful all by yourself!

Powerfully,

Tim

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Salisa
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posted December 20, 2005 03:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you sooooo much for the reply! Does any one else have any thing to add?

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thosa
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posted December 20, 2005 04:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well...

I can kinda relate to what u mean...I get attracted to bad girls all the time

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Lauren
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posted December 20, 2005 10:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hmm Your Aries moon maybe.. Angelina Jolie is Gemini/Aries moon..she also seems attracted to bad boy types..used to be anyways

My best friend has Venus/Mars in Aries. She gets very attracted to the bad boy "look"..but she still wants someone nice and sensitive (on the inside) she's a Pisces.. Though, it's kinda strange with her it's either one extreme or the other..either bad boy or shy nerdy guy.. Right now she's with someone who's more of a bad guy..

I agree with Tim as well, about the Venus/Pluto opposition.. I have this as well. It makes you swing from one extreme to the other, in a few different areas, that's what oppositions do until you somehow (haven't worked out how yet) learn to balance.. My friend has her Moon in Taurus also opposed Pluto..so that's kinda similar.

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SecretGardenAgain
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posted December 21, 2005 04:15 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
a few notes:

being a Gemini/scorpio (similar to Gemini/aries), i feel similarly and mainly because i like the traditional 'macho' men, but also like to think i have some kind of power over them (back to tim's point). i also have venus opp. pluto.

with saturn in scorpio i have had issues with my father. i never had confrontation with him but was never close or comfortable, and he was kind of a sadistic person who liked to give others pain and make them cry etc. sometimes i find myself getting into these kinds of relationships and then i say...WHOA! back off!

i think the Gemini sun allows me to stand back and look at the situation logically and eventually back off.

with neptune in cap tightly squaring mars in cancer u are bound to have unrealistic ideas and expectations regarding men. they may be more dogmatic than you expect (1st house sq. 5th)

Jupiter in Aqua will make rebellious types attractive to you, and also men of irrational temperament and high intelligence.

with a wider orb for merc. opp uranus (gem-sag), you might find that you also like men who are not completely honest with you, or may be reclusive. they may be complicated puppies who dont like to share their emotions with anyone, and with that inquisitive merc in Gemini you feel that you may be the 'detective' to dig out the 'sensitive' man within the beast (also a trait of Pluto in scorp, another one of my placements).

Love
SG

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sthenri
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posted December 21, 2005 10:16 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe there is a simple reason for this which is overlooked-we all have a bad side and some of us ignore it in favour of being good and kind to others.

This side gets out of balance and needs something rough to get us back into the real world. So we pick mr. gritty and verbally nasty to bring us down a bit from the clouds.

It can be overdone, it's best to know your limits and remember you are only as strong as your weakest link.

Even if that weakest link is wanting to be strong, and good-because as a person with lots of Venus and Pisces influences, I have to make myself get down to earth and get nasty with myself in order to keep the bad boys away.

The bad boys never get nicer and just get progressively badder and meaner. Often the ones I find are very nasty and verbally abusive which leads me to use my gemini in mercury talent for talking back.

Possibly we need to be less compliant because being too docile leads to depression? If you tend to being too compliant and submissive then it's clear that you are looking for another part of yourself.

Personally I see myself as the villan now and I can be both good and bad without guilt. It's scary sometimes but that's how it is.

Example-
Cancer b/f calls me up
Him: Where you've been?
Me: Working to 1am at a call cente for extra $
Him: ******** no one works till 1am
Me: That's disrespectful to me and I don't let anyone talk to me like that
Him: Where were you really, out running around, I think you are lying!
Me: I was working, get off your butt and come watch me
Him: I have work to do
Me: You are being nasty and uncommunicative so I am hanging up now. I've had a long day and other people are down on me too
Me: Hanging up.

So the end of the story is that I called up to say sorry for being frazzled and he apologized for bugging me when I was tired. He also said I won't wait in line forever, so he was being bad out of feeling insecure-which is good. At least I know why he was being a jerk.

Sometimes I can't tell why someone is bad, and sure it's easy to glamorize something you don't understand.

Lots of married people think I have the greatest life, but they are idealizing-then they think up things I may be doing that are bad. When you are insecure about getting your own needs met, and are not living with a rational goal and belief that drives you everyday, it's easy to focus on other people. This is especially true for those with lots of air in their charts, like myself and my b/f.

He has mars in libra, which is how he relates to others-too much air because it hurts us both, his verbal cuts, and my daydreaming.

There is no cure for the bad boys except to get a bit of glamour in your own life-paint, draw, create posterboards, have a glamour job, something like that-my b/f throws big parties-

it's a must to do something to nourish your glamour self.

Natasha
Taurus/6th

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gert
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posted December 21, 2005 11:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I don'y know about the whole pluto business as I've never understtood all that jazz.Your venus mildly complements your sun and moon:

Your personality is that of a peoples person.You are outgoing,sociable and a bit unconventional.You are allso quite self confident,extremely vocal and lively.Most people are attracted to you because you are so accepting and fun to be around.

Your venus being in Taurus means that you are a take it easy kinda girl with earthy passions and desires.You love the act of sex,love,commitment and togetherness.Your partners will tend to be earthy and real,somewhat intense and grounded and possessive.You will seldom pick out someone that you feel you cant trust with your life as you tend to be extremely demanding in love.

How these two work together is where the tension is.Normaly with most of the people you get into a realtionship with are somewhat erratic,unusual,unconventional types who are however loyal.They are not too great with affection but this seldom bothers you as you tend to focus on what they say,rather than what they do.You long for someone who is both intellectual and yet allso sensual,though intellectuals come in their droves you feel they lack substance and yet when sensuals come into the picture,you wish you knew what went into their heads.You must find a comprimise to be happy!

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Swerve
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posted December 21, 2005 02:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Natasha had a point. There is such a thing known as "The Shadow". It represents the hidden and repressed parts of our nature, but is as much part of us as the acceptable face we show the world through conditioning.

It represents fantasy, rebellion, selfishness, crudeness, revenge, anger...you get the picture.

Someone who seems to be free from restraining this is VERY attractive. Its who we want to be. The power plays always come into things as well and that Cancer Mars of yours I would guess could give you a sweet buzz at being dominated for periods (though I can't imagine you would truly let yourself be dominated disrespectfully for too long).

Its like hanging on the precipice and the thrill of not having control over events for a moment and an uncertain conclusion. Very stimulating I would say.

Swerve

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miss_muffet
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posted December 21, 2005 05:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think most women are attracted to the bad boys to begin with. It's our mothering nature. We tend to believe that there is a good man inside the bad boy just ready to cry out for rescue ... and then we wake up from the dream that is really a nightmare!

It's almost like men's nature to rescue damsels in distress syndrome.

I think it is as fundamental as that.

Miss Muffet

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Swerve
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posted December 21, 2005 05:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm...never thought of that miss muffet. Probably because I'm a guy. Sounds fair to me.

Swerve

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Salisa
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posted December 21, 2005 07:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As to what sthenri said, people know me to be kind, loving, mothering, gental, strong and calm. That would be my everyday nature. Also I would like to add that not one day of my life have I ever taken vebal abuse from anyone and no one has ever known me to be compliant and submissive I tend to be on the domineering side..... I should work on that, he he . Thats why my father hated me when I was little because he was abusive and I fought tooth and nail aginst him. I find it funny when people do see the other side of me they look so surprised like they never thought I could defend myself or the people I care for. I mean just because someone is kind and gental donsn't mean they're weak. Oh Oh let me clear somthing up I'm not attracted to the villain who treats his woman badly I'm attracted to the villain who thinks of his woman as a queen. he he

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Salisa
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posted December 21, 2005 07:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh and Thanks for all you replys!!! I much enjoy them.

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Salisa
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posted December 22, 2005 03:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm.... I wonder if my last post sounded a little defensive?

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SecretGardenAgain
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posted December 22, 2005 03:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
not defensive, but it did seem like, to me, that you asked a question for which you already knew the answer to begin with? so the use...of asking the question?

i kind of took your question literally, and started analyzing your chart (after your prompt for people to analyze it again). Then everyone else went on a different track and you did too.

oh well. i probably misread the question.

Love
SG

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Salisa
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posted December 22, 2005 04:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I would have to say I knew the anwser to my own question, yes and no. In the terms of thinking psychologically I have some understanding to my feelings and motives. But in terms of astrology I am still learning what things mean, which is why I asked what in my natal chart would make me feel the way I do. I want to be an amateur astrologer, you know like do charts on the side to make a little extra money now and then. So that's why I asked the question. That makes sense right?

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Salisa
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posted December 22, 2005 01:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What Gert said was pretty straight on.

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astro junkie
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posted December 24, 2005 12:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Salisa -

I agree with miss_muffet as well.

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I think most women are attracted to the bad boys to begin with. It's our mothering nature. We tend to believe that there is a good man inside the bad boy just ready to cry out for rescue ... and then we wake up from the dream that is really a nightmare!


I've often wondered that myself, and it's my latest conclusion as well. When it comes to relationships, women have some extra talking points. We are a little more complex. So what else to do with all that complexity, except SHARE IT ... we need to share all our usefulness in all its glory in order to experience womanhood to its fullest.

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