posted December 25, 2005 11:42 PM              

I see some traits of these people's sun in their persona if I look at them under a massive magnifying glass.. but it's not the main thing that defines their personality, by any stretch of the imagination. It isn't what makes them 'them'.. what they are known for, what they act like etc..

I've mainly noticed:

-Mars/Asc conj when in fire.. this changes the personality and makes it firey, regardless of anything else in the chart.
-Sun/Moon squares - they irritate the person involved because you can't just 'be' and 'be happy' at the same time.. you'll always hate yourself at least a little.. which alters both your sun and your moon.
-T-squares or T-crosses.. when they are involving strong planets..the T-cross or T-square may define that person..and what they are like, their problems, hang-ups and/or qualities.. a lot more than their Sun.
-A great amount of planets in a certain house, may give the person prominent traits of that house, mainly when it's a watery house.
-Singletons have a massive impact sometimes.. The person can act a lot like a singleton by sign/house and planet.. more so than anything else in their chart.

posted December 26, 2005 02:49 AM              

People hide their egos under so many different layers, it's hard to spot the ego..which is what the Sun is...it's the core..but the core isn't really on the surface.. and sometimes it's very picked at by other things.

A lot of interpretations seem to say the Moon is in the unconscious and the Sun is conscious.. but that depends also..Some people have their Moon in the 1st and they pretty much wear their emotions on their sleeve.. which makes them very conscious of their emotions. Other people have suns in the 12th for instance and their Suns stay very hidden. Those are just the typical examples I guess..but there would be a lot more variations when the Moon is visible and the Sun isn't. Air suns with deep moons like Scorpio.. you can spot that straight away.. or so I've noticed.. Maybe it's because air, as an element, is light and transparent, so it makes other influences.. specially something like Scorpio (which is a very strong, emotional sign) more visible.

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He might change in his Saturn return. Best thing is to pray for him and leave it at that. We dont know what his past life karmic issues were anyway that he is like this.

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posted December 26, 2005 03:00 AM            

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You can just see the moon in a person's eyes sometimes, specially water moons.

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Haha, I don't know. I don't necessarily agree with that. Everytime I post a picture in one of those "Guess my Sun/Moon/Asc" threads, at least one person always tells me I have "Cancer/Pisces" eyes, and I most definitely do not have a Cancer or Pisces Moon. It's not even a water sign.

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People hide their egos under so many different layers, it's hard to spot the ego..which is what the Sun is...it's the core..but the core isn't really on the surface.. and sometimes it's very picked at by other things. I think a lot of water for instance can pretty much drown a fire sun. It depends on how strong that person's sun (ego) is.. But even fire suns..which tend to give the “healthiest”/strongest egos..can still be beaten up quite badly by other planets and negative aspects..

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posted December 26, 2005 03:49 AM            

Just a few things, maybe your uncle doesn't seem very much like a cancer because his sun is in the 12th house and its hidden, so its not realllly an evident trait of your personality.

The leo sounds like a hard person to deal with, I know a person like that, and well you really can't change a person but you can change your perspective, and the piscean is just too plain mean, hopefully they'll get better over time.

And I know one person who was a gemini sun, she was very UNLIKE one. She seemed more earthy, with her taurus stellium and capricorn stellium. She never went crazy or could enjoy herself, she would be the person in the backgrounds, she loved solitude. So all her airiness was washed down by her earthiness.

posted December 26, 2005 04:29 AM              

I say that I'm like that with people I just meet, because those who know the real me, know my inner Leo intimately. For example, last weekend I went to a work Christmas party and was labeled immediately as the "reserved type" by this guy who I'd been talking to for like 15 minutes. A work friend of mine overheard him and was like "what!? are you kidding? her... reserved? hahahah!".

I think my shyness with most strangers could be caused by all the good old Virgo in my chart or by my Leo Sun/ Taurus Moon square or both.

posted December 26, 2005 06:31 AM              

I am learning to be consistent-stay one way with certain people-reserved and focused, rather than moody.

I would really like to be close to virgos, caps, and taurus people too, so I am cultivating those friendships-listening to their stable words of wisdom-sticking around smart people.

Yes, singletons have a huge impact. A Venus singleton will be a bit domineering, like food, drink, everything to be easy, dislike arguments-no matter what the sun.

As for the Leo mentioned,I believe Leos can be a real pain in the arse or the opposite, they are rarely in the middle around me, but then I bring out the competitive nature. Leos like to be inspired but not necessarily like to dominate the field-so respect for their ideas, and beliefs is very important. A leo will be nice as long as there is equality, but it's a proud sign and like all proud people, they are watchful.

posted December 26, 2005 12:24 PM            

Excellent perceptions, intuitions and interps as usual!! It can be really educational astro-wise to investigate the people in your family, that you're close to, to discover how the planets/signs/elements/modes express in their unique combinations. And the point of your post was a superb one!

I have a brother somewhat like your step-brother with the Pisces Moon – although mine is a Gemini with Libra Moon -- always nasty-critical, ‘spoiled’, accepting the gifts of the rabble but never giving any (that attribute sure seems like the Leo expressing in a VERY negative manner). I agree with iqhunk about the possibility of change deconstructing his world and “personality” (such as it is) at Saturn Return time. For those who stubbornly stay a negative course (consciously or unconsciously), sometimes it takes The Big Guys – Saturn, Uranus, Pluto – to visit the neighborhood and clean things up. On the other hand (I’m a Libra after all ) he may NEVER change and evolve….. and from what you wrote, it left me wondering if he was suffering from chemical/clinical depression…..

Please forgive me, but I burst out laughing when you described him as a “bonified prick” Can’t help the visuals I get I think what you wanted was “bona fide” …..

posted December 27, 2005 12:03 AM              

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Please forgive me, but I burst out laughing when you described him as a “bonified prick” Can’t help the visuals I get I think what you wanted was “bona fide” …..

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heheh lol Zala, I nearly typed boner fide, but then I thought na that can't be right.. it’s bona fide duh lol

posted December 27, 2005 02:44 PM              

I’ve also met the aggressive type of Piscean soooo weird loool perhaps too much Aries in their chart?

posted December 29, 2005 12:09 AM              

Cappyme, that's a great point about his Sun in the 12th..I'm so silly because I didn't even think of that.. Even though I posted that planets in the 12th aren't as noticeable lol.. it didn't click, about my step dad's chart, but yes.. that could definitely be another reason. It's not just hidden from everyone, it's even hidden from himself. That 12 house is pretty spooky. I only have Chiron there...hidden wounds? lol I wouldn't know I guess, since they'd be hidden and all

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The leo sounds like a hard person to deal with, I know a person like that, and well you really can't change a person but you can change your perspective, and the piscean is just too plain mean, hopefully they'll get better over time.

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The Leo is extremely hard to deal with.. the only way to deal with him is basically not talk to him.. and he doesn't talk either.. so silence is best. Any conversation with him leads to someone getting hurt.

Natasha, I always get a fiery energy from your posts..and you seem attracted to fire/air men.. I think fire does play a big part for you. If I didn't know your sign, I'd prolly guess you to be an air sign with a fire moon and venus/mars in earth.

Zala, thank you..you’re very nice.. Depression isn't out of the question with him.. He's definitely suffering from something, because his behavior is very unusual.

posted December 29, 2005 01:07 AM            

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Nove, I've seen your pic and you do look a bit Cancerian to me as well.. is there anything at all in your chart that could make you Cancerian? Lots of planets in water houses?

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I have a lot of water in my chart.
Actually, I have a lot more earth in my chart, too, though. I have my Venus, Vertex, (Pisces) Pluto (Scorpio) and Jupiter (Cancer) in water signs. Jupiter (being in Cancer) is conjunct my MC in Gemini, and I have Neptune, Uranus and Saturn in the Fourth House (All in Capricorn, too. LOL).

posted December 29, 2005 03:02 AM              

A gemini with their sign ruler mercury, have their mercury in the 11th house, behave a lot like Aquas especially in the way they communicate their ideas (Mercury).

A pisces with Neptune their ruler, have neptune in the first house, behave a lot like Aries (1st house issues).

Another Gemini with mercury in the 8th, very Plutonic, interest in theology, occult, supernatural and a monastic-like life, sort of an ubran hermit!

I know there are other factors affecting the behaviour, but would you say that your sign ruler placed in a certain house would magnify these qualities in your personality? Or alter the stereotypical traits of your sign?

posted December 29, 2005 04:57 AM              

I am known to be very aggressive a lot of the time, with a sense of justice though. Guess its true.

posted December 25, 2007 01:44 AM            

My mother has Sun in Gemini,and that's her only Gemini placement. She is so Scorpio-like with great intensity,penetration that I accurately guessed her moonsign was Scorpio only a day that I found out about my moonsign being Pisces that ended my skepticsm about Astrology at the age of 27 years old.
She also has strong Cancer traits,and she is very moody,she does have that crabby nature,she's very domestic,she's an awesome cook,and very much into the home. She also shows Piscean traits but mainly the negative ones like suffering,a sense of victimization,drug addiction,alcoholism,suicidal attempts well..She did show positive pisces traits like compassion,strong belief in higher power that keeps her alive,and she as a selfsacrificing nature. She has Sun in 12th trine Neptune.

My Aries girlfriend has very strong Scorpio traits with her Pluto conjunct Moon-Saturn in Scorpio,oppose Mars,and sesquiquadrate Ascendant. I love that intensity,depth that she has which matches mine.

posted December 25, 2007 02:48 AM            

aspects to my Moon in Pisces in 6th
conjunct Mars in Aquarius in 6th
square its dispositor Neptune in Sag in 3rd
square its traditional dispositor,Jupiter in Sag in 3rd
square retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th
trine Sun in Scorpio
quincunx Pluto in Libra in 1st
sesquiquadrate Uranus in Libra in 2nd

aspects my Sun in Scorpio in 2nd
trine Moon in Pisces in 6th
quincunx Saturn in Gemini in 9th
contraparallel Pluto

Moon and Venus are considered the anima(what type of female the male is attracted to)

My girlfriend fits the animus of my Venus in Scorpio,conjunct/parallel Mercury,square Mars,parallel Neptune,constraparallel Saturn with her Sun conjunct Mercury in Aries and Moon conjunct Saturn in Scorpio conjunct Pluto,Pisces Ascendant,stationary Neptune conjunct Midheaven and sextile Moon

posted December 25, 2007 08:46 AM              

*Fire Sun in a water house ... adds a lot of deepness to the otherwise somewhat fickle fire Sun.

*Stelliums in a sign ... I know a lot of people who are nothing like their Sun sign simply because they have an abundance of planets in a sign different from their Sun sign