posted January 07, 2006 06:04 PM              

That much 12th house really benefits from a constant positive environment even if it's going to the movies, or going to work or entering a pie contest, visiting a new city, taking a bus ride, anything that is not too expensive, safe, makes you and others happy, but is not too much escaping.

Children and young people are beneficial too.
Hanging out with people who are articial or overly materialistic can be a pain.

Talk to other water north node people as I find it's a good match.

posted January 07, 2006 06:22 PM            

And yes, I’m usually too harsh with myself. I’m my worst enemy, as a judge and critic. An unaspected Venus-Saturn conjunction in the 8th doesn’t help at all. Yes, I also scare myself with terrible thoughts… as if I was chastising myself or getting punishment for being unworthy.

posted January 07, 2006 06:44 PM              

People with strong focuses in the 12th house naturally "blend in" with everyone around them. As a result, they can live their lives in a kind of "emotional overload" as they carry with them not only their own feelings, but also the feelings of everyone they encounter every day. As a result, it is highly useful for these people to have some "alone time", when they are by themselves and can meditate and relax. At this time they can begin to separate which are their own emotions from the emotions of others they have gathered over time. After they feel "themselves" again, then they can go back out into the world.

Encouraging "alone time",

Tim

posted January 07, 2006 07:16 PM            

Sun, Jupiter, and Neptune stellium in 12th!!

posted January 07, 2006 07:32 PM              

"People with strong focuses in the 12th house naturally "blend in" with everyone around them. As a result, they can live their lives in a kind of "emotional overload" as they carry with them not only their own feelings, but also the feelings of everyone they encounter every day. As a result, it is highly useful for these people to have some "alone time", when they are by themselves and can meditate and relax. At this time they can begin to separate which are their own emotions from the emotions of others they have gathered over time. After they feel "themselves" again, then they can go back out into the world.

posted January 07, 2006 09:20 PM              

btw, i also hate it when people stare for no reason. i heard Pluto Trine Asc.'s feel the same way too and i have that...that's also why i don't like writing papers...because it's a very intimate thing and teachers judge you...and i hate being judged or criticized...who doesn't, but it affects us pisceans strongly.

posted January 07, 2006 11:38 PM            

Thank you for putting that info out there, Tim.

posted January 08, 2006 12:50 PM              

Here is an exercise that may help you to get rid of this "internal anger". Try to focus all the anger you have in your body into a particular area: your hand. And, as you feel your hand getting "angrier" (and perhaps starting to clench up with the anger it feels), feel the REST of your body get looser and calmer. Continue until ALL the anger in your body is focused in that clenched up hand.

Then, hold onto the anger in the hand, clenching it, focusing on it, feeling its "heat". And then, gradually, let the anger go, feel the hand unclench, as you let the anger leak out of the hand, into the air, to blow away in the wind. Let the anger go gradually from the hand until the hand is completely relaxed and limp.

Now repeat the exercise, forcing all the anger in your body into your hand. Most likely, all the anger will be gone and your hand will NOT clench up! If your hand DOES clench up again, repeat the exercise again, focusing on building and then releasing the anger. See if this method helps you "get over" the unreasoning anger a little quicker next time!

Unangrily,

posted January 08, 2006 02:33 PM              

***** about the 12th house *****

When we choose to address through the horoscope, that which is hidden from our concious minds, the houses we examine are the 8th and 12th, along with their respective rulers Pluto and Neptune. The mysterious natures of these two houses are distinctly different. In the Plutonian depths of the 8th, the 'hidden' information is there waiting for us, layered in meaning and rich with implication.

In contrast when dealing with the 12th house and Neptune, even those of us most willing to unflinchingly face our deepest 'selves', may be unable to access the material we seek.

The implications of Neptune and the 12th are usualy more or less obscured, distorted and chimerical. the material may be availble only indirectly through dreams, life metaphor, synchronicity, cosmic revelation, or the product of the imagination. Sometimes we see the message of Neptune or the 12th contained in one's relationship to institutions, where the individual expresses facets of the 'personality' of the institution and the institution expresses facets of the individual.

In this instance there is always a danger of the individual losing him/herself within the identity of the larger body. .. i.e. the role becomes the person.

No matter what the means of connecting with 12th house material, placements here can bring added emphasis that is difficult to grasp but impossible to ignore. The 'foggy' qualities and the imaginative stimulus which Neptune brings to the activities of the house where it is placed, are equaly compelling and disorienting.

There are two things to keep in mind when analyzing planetary placements in the 12th .. (a) the unconcious nature of the 12th can cause the planetary energies to be projected, or on the other hand, those energies may not be availble as if there is a feeling as if a piece of the individual were 'missing' .. (b) untill they become concious and are thoroughly explored, these planetary energies will remain inaccessible .. though they will tend to manifest involuntarily, usualy in ways that are neither convenient nor appropriate.

The house or houses with Pisces on the cusp, or a house other than the 12th which contains Neptune, should be approached with the caveat that appearances can be deceiving. In these instances, what you see is not always what you get and this elusive quality is as disorienting to the native as it is to those with whom he or she interacts. Even when matters of the house containing Neptune are approached in the most honest and forthright manner, there is still certain to be a minimum ammount of distortion or misperception connected with the involved persons or issues. Coming to grips with the meaning of the Neptunian influence, neccessitates a multi dimensional synthesis that calls upon intuition, symbolism, and the subconcious .. as much as rational linear analysis.

Remember to that progressions, solar arcs and transits through the 12th house may bring forth buried, repressed or subconciously held characteristics or memories associated with the planet or light involved .. or may bring forward those qualities which are disowned. These may manifest through dreams, encounters with others and thru institutions with a 12th house role .. eg a Sturn transit thru the 12th may bring about confinement in a hospital or prison .. work associated with one of those .. visiting someone who is confined .. charity or volunteer involvement .. or the recovery of long forgotten memories .. to name a few.

In reading any planetary placement one must take into account the aspects and signs involved and the overall compatibility of the planetary energies in terms of the individuals personality. Especialy troublesome is the 'one of a kind' placement such as .. the only 'fixed' planet in an otherwise mutable chart .. or the only water placement in a chart emphasising air.

posted January 08, 2006 03:31 PM              

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At times I think being a 12th houser is like that scene in WHEN DREAMS MAY COME when the wife is in the afterlife "hell" and cannot see anything else but her pain until the Robin Williams character puts himself into danger by staying with her in "hell". She then see clearly and is snapped out of her illusions.

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I just watched that movie this morning.

12th house sun here.

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Gemini sun, Cancer rising, mercury in Gemini, moon in Taurus *29, venus in Taurus, mars in Libra

posted January 08, 2006 03:40 PM              

Planet Soul, I can relate to the scenario at Starbucks.