posted January 16, 2006 11:55 PM              

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Firstly I want to thank Heart Shaped Cross for the star2star link which gives great insight. I learned a greater understanding of myself by reading about the sun positioned in the 12th house. I have a much better understanding of my ways from this insight. Any others have any relations to myself with trying to integrate the unconscious with the conscious? This has caused me so much confusion in my life. I feel blessed for this reference.

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posted January 17, 2006 12:05 PM            

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You are totally welcome.

My sister has a 12th house Sun (in Pisces!)...

I should send her the interpretations and see what she says.

Thanks.

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"My friends, how desperately do we need to be loved and to love. When Christ said that man does not live by bread alone, he spoke of a hunger. This hunger was not the hunger of the body. It was not the hunger for bread. He spoke of a hunger that begins deep down in the very depths of our being. He spoke of a need as vital as breath. He spoke of our hunger for love.
Love is something you and i must have. We must have it because our spirit feeds upon it. We must have it because without it we become weak and faint. Without love our self-esteem weakens. Without it our courage fails. Without love we can no longer look out confidently at the world. We turn inward and begin to feed upon our own personalities, and little by little we destroy ourselves.
With it we are creative. With it we march tirelessly. With it, and with it alone, we are able to sacrifice for others."
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posted January 23, 2006 08:34 PM              

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Hey, I actually have Sun, Moon and Mercury in the 12th House and Pisces Rising (if it makes any difference). I have depressive tendencies and have a fascination with all things dark. I'll keep it general, but if there's anything else you want to know, just say so. It's pretty tough.

~Rebekka
(the former ichigo_fizz)

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posted January 23, 2006 08:43 PM              

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Hey, i have my Sun, Merc. Venus, Jupiter and True Node and Chiron in 12th... and just wanted to say, i understand... astrology has done a great deal for me...i can't explain it in words...
i don't feel as alone anymore....you should order the psychological horoscope by Liz Greene from astro.com....i cried after reading mine.

Taurus Sun, Scorpio Moon, Cancer Asc.

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posted January 23, 2006 09:49 PM              

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Welcome illusions_fool

You were here under a different User Name before?

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posted January 23, 2006 09:58 PM            

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To all, much like pisces sun,this post refers to. I have pisces sun in the 4th with neptune in the 12th, scorpio rising. Talk about confusion and trippiness, don't know if I am coming or going at times, so realtive. I once read that the sign of pisces is two fish, one swimming on the surface, interacting with humankind, daily routine, etc. and the other swimming the depths with God...
Need I say more?
Peace love and light.......

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posted January 23, 2006 11:14 PM              

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It's not in print anymore, but try to locate a copy of Tracy Mark's "Your Secret Self, Illuminating the Mysteries of the Twelfth House" on eBay, half.com or Amazon.

God- did this book put my life in perspective. It is so hard to find good references on 12th house material...this book has it all and then some. It's like the bible for anyone with major planets in the 12th house...I have my Sun and Jupiter there.

I'll breifly list some of Tracy's insights

12th HOUSE IMAGES
Cowardly Lion
Sun Behind Clouds
Ruler of Oz
Captured Prince
King of the Sea
Backstage Director
Lord of the Underworld
Hospital Chief of Staff
Underground Leader
Underdog
Underwater Stage
King in Exile

FAMOUS PEOPLE WITH 12TH HOUSE SUNS

Orson Welles
Henry Kissinger
Anne Frank
Mohandas Gandhi
Janis Joplin
Joseph Stalin
U.S. Grant

Even George Bush and Tony Blair...it's amazing how many world leaders have this placement...

There are chapters in the book on every placement of the 12th house in the chart. I'd be willing to scan the pages and send them as a PDF to anyone who would like them.

When I've felt really down on myself and misunderstood in the world, this book always puts everything into perspective for me again and makes me realize how truly special I am, and what a blessing this placement truly is.

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posted January 23, 2006 11:40 PM              

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anne frank? lol

george bush.... bleh.

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posted January 24, 2006 06:11 AM              

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MercurialMisfit -

Tracy Marks also has the best stuff on T-Squares I've seen. I'm referring to her "Planetary Aspects: From Conflict to Cooperation" book.

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posted January 24, 2006 06:09 PM              

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Yeah, I was under a different username. I think the last time I logged in was 2004? I don't even know what e-mail it was under, so I didn't have my password. Actually, I spent about an hour going through the old topics looking for what my username originally was. Pretty sad, huh.

Oh yeah and my Sun is also on the Aquarius/Pisces cusp. [Don't think I mentioned that on my other post.]

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posted January 24, 2006 08:20 PM              

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Oh OK ... well ... welcome back!

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posted January 24, 2006 08:34 PM            

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So wait Illusion-fool when is your b-day exactly.

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posted January 24, 2006 08:58 PM              

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My birthday's on Feb. 16th, 1988 at 8:03AM. It puts my Sun at 27* and I've read somewhere that the rule of thumb is 5* before and 5* after a sign is considered the cusp... Is that right?

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posted January 24, 2006 09:03 PM            

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Yes bc Feb 18th ends Aquarius and anything after that starts Pisces..Were you born in the United States???

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posted January 24, 2006 09:29 PM              

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I was born in Fort Worth, Texas. Or near Fort Worth anyway, I'm not sure if the hospital was in Fort Worth, but I didn't think it'd make a big difference if it was a city a mile out from Fort Worth, know what I mean? I'm pretty sure it was in the city... Now I'm going to have to look at my birth certificate just so I know, or it'll bug me forever.

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posted January 24, 2006 09:46 PM              

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ew guys.
i recently learned that GEORGE W BUSH has cancer sun, leo rising, and sun in the 12th house JUST LIKE ME!!!!!
ah this is very disconcerting.
huge blow to my ego.

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posted January 24, 2006 10:04 PM              

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LOL Lunatic.

12th house sun here also

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Gemini sun, Cancer rising, mercury in Gemini, moon in Taurus *29, venus in Taurus, mars in Libra

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(¸.·´ (¸.·´ * Lost in the peace of serenity
Blind my eyes I cannot see
Lost my soul but found my heart
Again a time, when I shall start

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