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hippichick
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posted January 21, 2006 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey all, a person dear to me killed himself several years ago. Have always wanted to look at his chart for "suicidal indicators." Anybody with any experience on predisposition to suicide in the natal chart?

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posted January 21, 2006 11:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi

I would be interested in that too as someone close to me killed himself.

Venus

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posted January 21, 2006 12:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would be interested to look at both the charts of your dear ones who committed suicide so that I can spot the common aspects.

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hippichick
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posted January 21, 2006 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
iq hunk:
sun 1 lib 6th house
moon 19 leo cusp 4th house
merc 21 lib 6th house
venus 15 scor 7th house
mars 21 cancer 4th house
jup 4 pisces 11th house
sat 4 aqu 10th house
uranus 2 virgo 5th house
neptune 11 scorp 7th house
pluto 10 virgo 5th house

asc 1 taurus
mc 20 cap

thanks

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted January 21, 2006 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Probably a combination of several of these kinds of aspects:

Dynamic aspects (conjunctions, squares, oppositions) between either Sun, Moon, or Asc, and the outer planets; Uranus, Neptune, Pluto.
Dynamic aspects between the outer planets, or mars, and the ruler of the 8th house (i.e. Virgo on the 8th, Pluto square Mercury), or any planet(s) in the 8th house.

I would particularly note any Squares and Conjunctions, as Opposition aspects tend to produce conflicts with other people, rather than internal conflicts.

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Iqhunk
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posted January 21, 2006 01:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi HippieChick,

Neptune in Scorpio making a near perfect Sextile with Pluto in Virgo CAN create a fascination for obssesively accurate details about death, afterlife and life after death.
Illusory dreams might occur regularly, especially since Pluto is 11th degree [treachery? Hidden Trials?]

Ruler of first House [Representing Life] is Venus and it is affected by this Neptune in 7th House Scorpio. 7th House is also the House of Open Enemies. But ruler of 8th House is Jupiter and it is in 11th House, opposed to 1 degree orb by 11th house ruler Uranus, planet of sudden change and electrifyingly impulsive actions. Chiron being opposed by Pluto and perfect Quincunx by True Node will not do much good in this situation, nor the Saturn opposing True Node in 8th degree [another Karmic number]

Thus, any powerful transit that caused difficult energies might have forced him to take a Uranus action with Jupiter too being trapped in fascination for death and the wounded healer deciding to wound itself to heal?, not to mention all the Pluto inspired Neptunian dreams of perceived hatred by those he/she thought loved? [Venus conjunct Neptune]

Let us see from the other suicide data if there is any common factor.


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posted January 21, 2006 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IQHUNK
thank you for a very intelligent and thorough interpretation. this individual was an alcoholic who, once under the influence, spewed hatred for those he "loved" and i believe felt the same from those who loved him, once again under the influence. he often had vivid dreams and one in particular i remember, not too far before the death, was about a flight with capt. kirk (this person a huge trekie!) looking for God, and once God was found there was something to do with the enterprise being pulled into a void and the dreamer tried to kick the opposing force away and in doing so, he actually kicked a hole in the wall of his home.
i love what you said about wounding himself to heal, because i believe ultimately that is what took place. his grave marker reads "earth hath no sorrow that heaven cannot heal"
thanks again, this is very interesting for me and healing as well.
his date of death was 7/14/01 if you care to interpret transits as well.

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Happy Dragon
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posted January 21, 2006 02:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
'Suicide' .. is within the article ...

astro info is in image format .. (not text )

page link .. http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/mva/vic.html


image links .. if you want to download them ..
for print or whatever ..

prt.1 http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/mva/mva.jpg

prt.2 http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/mva/mvb.jpg

prt.3 http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/mva/mvc.jpg

prt.4 http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/mva/mvd.jpg

*** his date of death was 7/14/01***
re anyone that would have a go at transits/progressions ..
a date of birth would help .. as opposed to placement list ..
lists are not that computer freindly .. for data input that is ..

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hippichick
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posted January 21, 2006 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HD awesome article, thanks be to you!
birth date is 9/24/62

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Happy Dragon
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posted January 21, 2006 04:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hippychik

as 'neptune' is refered to amongst suicide victims ..
some info re Neptune to Sun aspects in a chart ..
.. http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Neptune_Sun.html
(text format .. author and book title included)

i think re suicide .. harsh aspects betwen Saturn and Venus .. are common ..
neptune .. escapism ..

the following link .. is a chart of a suicidal person ...
4th dec 1975
she would often comment on how she would like to
go to sleep and not wake up ..
she'd be extremely good at lying to herself ..
(not too adept at lying to others .. although she never gave up trying ..)
.. http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/temp/amj.chrt.gif

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Happy Dragon
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posted January 22, 2006 09:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hippychik ..

some charts re: your friends' passing
(no birth time .. so ignore the houses ...)

birth date is 9/24/62 .. null houses .. midday .. texas ..

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Happy Dragon
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posted January 22, 2006 09:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
.. date of death was 7/14/01 ..( null houses .. midday .. texas ..)
chart with transits ..

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Happy Dragon
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posted January 22, 2006 09:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
birth date is 9/24/62 .. progressions for 7/14/01

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sd09
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posted January 23, 2006 12:31 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
gappy dragon what about dec 14.1976

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Happy Dragon
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posted January 23, 2006 07:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sd09 .. :
**dragon what about dec**

.. what about dec 14.1976 ????
what happened then ?.. is that birth date? .. event date? ..
am not sure what your question is ..
is it about aspects on that day ? .......

did you try a chart via astro.com ????

anyhow ..
the "H" key .. could be just right of the "G" key ..

be well

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sd09
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posted January 23, 2006 07:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
which part u dont understand , or u being sarcastik ,the topick of course and day of byrday dec 14,1976 can u anaLyze this or that;0

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sd09
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posted January 23, 2006 07:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ill try ,but its beeind depressing day today

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noreenz
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posted January 23, 2006 08:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Happy Dragon- I believe this is SD's birth info.....I believe he sometimes suffers from depression and is asking if his chart shows if he is perhaps suicidel.

Does that sound right SD? Happy Dragon wasn't being sarcastic...language barriers, lol. And if you want someone to look at your chart, they would need all of your birth info, not just the date.....you know that, lol So, by putting only a date, he really had no idea what you were asking.

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Happy Dragon
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posted January 23, 2006 09:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sd09 re ..
*** or u being sarcastik***
no .. no .. no .. sd .. .. it is a language mixup thing ..
putting that G instead of H .. had me thinking you were joking ..
anyhow .. it just wasn't too clear what you wanted ...
so i had to get to the point ..

noreenz
cheers .. i understand now .. thanx for dropping in ...
be a lot of Air in my chart .. and i can come accross a bit 'sarky' now and again ..
even without meaning to .... :-(

so .. what country .. ?
sd .. i'll do a chart for that date .. to as near as possible ..
but post the country if possible .. ok ..

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Happy Dragon
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posted January 23, 2006 09:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sd09

there is a fair ammount in that chart to indicate stress
and probable depression ... but no more than many other charts ..
... transits at the moment .. tNeptune is aspecting a few placements ..
i shall post "a" chart (uk) .. even without birthtime plenty shows up ..

sd .. if it is any use .. i know what depression is .. and i know what
feeling like 'ending it all' is .....

i would suggest you get to realy understand your chart and realise
that they (the aspects placements etc ) .. are a set of conditions ..
the proper word .. is .. "parameters" .... that one has to deal with ..

so what depresses you ???
are you just feeling low ???
or is it clinical depression .. when one doesn't feel anything ???

i'll post the chart ..
you research it ..

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Happy Dragon
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posted January 23, 2006 10:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
** edit **
sd ..
chart pic updated on page 2 ..

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Happy Dragon
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posted January 23, 2006 10:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
** edit clone **
sd ..
chart pic updated on page 2 ..

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sd09
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posted January 23, 2006 11:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thnx happy dragon Its moldova ussr ,city bendery or on google earth shows tighina anyway there is my chart http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=3&btyp=w2gw&&cid=cg7fileewNzZy-u1104297727

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thebigeliza
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posted January 24, 2006 03:08 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Happy Dragon..do you think you could look into my chart see if I am prone to suicidal tendencies?I have always had a problem with this but it seems it is getting worse.I would really appreciate it.
10-15-85 2;50pm bristol CT USA

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Happy Dragon
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posted January 24, 2006 11:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sd and bigeliza

just a qick note .. to say .. saw your posts ..
and will get back here later on ..

sd .. at a glance .. what stands out in your birth chart .. is a T square
between Saturn / Uranus and Lillith .. ... and the Moon position ....
with its potential of squaring your Sun ...

shall leave these 2 links here ....
as .. what one eats .. can make a big difference .... to how one feels ...
http://www.foodandmood.org/Pages/project.html
http://www.foodandmood.org/Pages/posterdetail.html

meanwhile .. take it easy ..
'till later ...

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